Post Verdict -Working Out The Unresolved Questions #2
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I tried to find something that would show the settings clearly. I did find a PDF owners manual for this model but it was just a generic "how to use your machine", no diagrams or details about the specific models controls.
If anyone else wants to look around (or maybe HAS/HAD this model and has more info), it is a Whirlpool LSB6000PQ Washing Machine. Seems like it is no longer produced so good luck, I have been googling pics and info for a while, not found anything helpful.:gaah:
If anyone else wants to look around (or maybe HAS/HAD this model and has more info), it is a Whirlpool LSB6000PQ Washing Machine. Seems like it is no longer produced so good luck, I have been googling pics and info for a while, not found anything helpful.:gaah:
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Left knob is the load size. This appears to be set at the largest load.
The knob next to it is the water temp. This appears to be set on Cold Wash.
MOO is that the camera got mixed in with what she wanted to put in the washer--sheets, I believe it was. Or blankets. Bedding, anyway.
I do not think the killer put the camera in the washer intentionally. It just doesn't make sense to me for her to do that. Even considering JA's warped mind, I can't see her reason to do that. I believe she would have taken the camera with her when she left, to be disposed of with the other evidence she took with her--but could not find it and did not have a whole lot of time to look for it. I do not think she would have necessarily heard the camera during the washer cycle because it might have taken some time to become untangled from the fabric even if it ever did clunk against the tub, plus she she probably started the washer and left the laundry room. She had other things to do elsewhere in the house before she could leave.
ETA: In looking again at the photo I see it is not exactly like my washer. But I still believe the two knobs could be load size and water temp settings, however, the right is the load size and the left is the water temp.
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Thanks Nymeria! And good to see you again.
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Been a busy summer, hoping I will get back to regular routine (WS) in the fall again
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I'm still betwixted and between on whether she intended on washing the camera or not, but since the thought occurred, I'm really curious as to how long the load was and why it wasn't heard by Enrique when he got home. Unless she put it on the shortest cycle available and left very soon after the 5:33:32 pic, it must have still been running, and the camera would have been a noticable sound when the machine started the spin cycle, I would think. Even with my 1990 machine that I replaced last year, the regular cycle with medium water took nearly 45 minutes to run, and the newer the machine, the longer the cycle time takes. Since I don't see a push/on button on his, is it most likely the cycle knob came out and pushed in to turn it on/off?
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:seeya: Geev!
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I'll be looking for you, miss you too!
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My machine takes between 6 and 18 minutes to complete a wash cycle, depending on how I set it. That is followed by a rinse cycle that takes almost that long. So the most the washer would be agitating for both cycles combined is 32 minutes. There is more time to be added to that total to allow for filling/emptying of both cycles and those depend on the water pressure as well as the load size. I have poor water pressure here but I have never had a washload take an hour to complete. Newer washers do--but I do not think TA's model is one of those. I could be wrong--but his looks very similar to what I have.
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The camera was found in the washer sitting right on top of the load of wet laundry. So if it was tangled in, it had at some point been released from the tangle. I agree it would have been noisy if it were sloshing around untangled during any agitation cycle. Do not think the spin would have necessarily been noisy because it would have not moved around during that.
I agree though that the washer would have at some point not sounded normal and anyone in or near the laundry room--most likely anywhere on the first floor of the home--would have heard it. If they were listening. Sometimes people focused on other things tune everything else out.
I agree though that the washer would have at some point not sounded normal and anyone in or near the laundry room--most likely anywhere on the first floor of the home--would have heard it. If they were listening. Sometimes people focused on other things tune everything else out.
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Seriously, the crap that CMJA pulls makes me sick! And everyone seems to bend over backwards in order to allow her "rights" to go unimpeded. :thinking:
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In Flores' report, Enrique says the day that furniture was moved off the tiles and dog fencing put up (he says it's Thursday the 5th but both roommates confused their days in their interviews) the front door was locked and he had to use the garage entrance, he had to pass by the washer on his way into the house. The last pic is time stamped 5:33:32, we know JA did some clean-up upstairs, Zach mentioned the banister felt slippery as if it had recently been cleaned, so even if we give her only 15 minutes to move Travis into the shower, clean herself up, gather everything up, take it downstairs and put it into the washer, pour in the bleach and turn it on, that leaves only 40 minutes for the cycle to run before Enrique's latest arrival to the house (he states between 6:00 and 6:30).
It seems like, if nothing else, he would have smelled bleach while passing though the laundry room on his way in the house, but most likely the washer should have been still going...are we back to the time on Travis' new camera being off and events occurring earlier that day than the time stamps lead us to believe?
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Yeah, I would not give a whole lot of weight to the time stamps on the camera. I think that shows based on settings the user either makes or fails to make. What we can give weight to is the time frame of the photos, i.e., shower photos were a session of one photo after another taken in a short span of time.
Still, if the camera time is off, especially way off, that puts the time of the crime way off as well. It is unknown where Jodi went immediately after the crime to dispose of evidence, clean up and change clothes, etc., and how much time she spent doing that. We do know that she arrived later than expected in Utah--I believe it was stated much later than expected--so I am thinking that while the time stamps may have been off I do not think they were way off as it seems to me if it was off by hours (and things occurred much earlier in the day than has been believed) she would not have arrived in Utah so long after her expected arrival time.
JMO, and I have not looked up any time frames so I am relying on memory for most of this post. Which means it might need correction--I am open to that.
Still, if the camera time is off, especially way off, that puts the time of the crime way off as well. It is unknown where Jodi went immediately after the crime to dispose of evidence, clean up and change clothes, etc., and how much time she spent doing that. We do know that she arrived later than expected in Utah--I believe it was stated much later than expected--so I am thinking that while the time stamps may have been off I do not think they were way off as it seems to me if it was off by hours (and things occurred much earlier in the day than has been believed) she would not have arrived in Utah so long after her expected arrival time.
JMO, and I have not looked up any time frames so I am relying on memory for most of this post. Which means it might need correction--I am open to that.
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Looking at the photo of the open washer, it looks like towels in there, not sheets. I thought the camera might have been tangled in a massive pile of sheets and stuffed in unnoticed. That could happen with towels too, but a bit harder to believe since with smaller items (towels vs. sheets) I think there would be less chance of serious tangling. IOW, with towels the camera might have been free-falling within the washload sooner rather than later.
Maybe the roommates, being young guys, really did not pay much attention to washer sounds, bleach smells, and all that. TA was planning a trip out of town and the roommates were aware of it--they said they figured he had left already so it appears as though they sort of did their own thing separate from TA and the goings-on in the home. I think a lot got by the roommates on a regular basis.
Maybe the roommates, being young guys, really did not pay much attention to washer sounds, bleach smells, and all that. TA was planning a trip out of town and the roommates were aware of it--they said they figured he had left already so it appears as though they sort of did their own thing separate from TA and the goings-on in the home. I think a lot got by the roommates on a regular basis.
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Seems weird that Flores questioned each of the roommates about the washer and when they last did loads, and mentioned finding items in the washer, that Enrique wouldn't have recalled anything that drew his attention or was abnormal when walking by the washer that early evening.
I do think events occurred earlier than the time stamps, and I have grave doubts as to her being inside the house at 4:00 or 5:00 a.m. Since she is such a consummate liar, in my mind I've wipe everything she's said and rely as fully as possible on the physical/circumstantial and testimonial evidence.
And I still want to know who posted those few photos of Travis on Flickr in the early hours of June 2nd/3rd.
I do think events occurred earlier than the time stamps, and I have grave doubts as to her being inside the house at 4:00 or 5:00 a.m. Since she is such a consummate liar, in my mind I've wipe everything she's said and rely as fully as possible on the physical/circumstantial and testimonial evidence.
And I still want to know who posted those few photos of Travis on Flickr in the early hours of June 2nd/3rd.
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What if the camera times showing as PM were supposed to be AM?
What time did the killer arrive at TA house? It was said around 4 AM, wasn't it? Was that corroborated by anyone? Roommates were always in and out but goings-on in the master suite were never their concern. They may not have known or cared to know. And I do not think she parked there at the house, at least not upon arrival; more likely down the street or around a corner--in a rental car that no one would recognize/link to her.
Point being: If she arrived much earlier and both photo sessions were AM instead of PMs that were showing on the camera time stamps--he could have been killed early morning instead of evening and she would have been long gone and the washload long stopped before roomies came home. IIRC one roommate spent the night with a GF, arrived home sometime during the day on the 4th. Never saw the killer or her car at any time. Of course, it could be another case of they just did not notice because that was their norm.
I do think the killer could have been long gone by 5 or 6 PM. The camera times are not written in stone and with it being so many days before the body was discovered they could not pinpoint time of death exactly. The day, yes, but not the hour.
What time did the killer arrive at TA house? It was said around 4 AM, wasn't it? Was that corroborated by anyone? Roommates were always in and out but goings-on in the master suite were never their concern. They may not have known or cared to know. And I do not think she parked there at the house, at least not upon arrival; more likely down the street or around a corner--in a rental car that no one would recognize/link to her.
Point being: If she arrived much earlier and both photo sessions were AM instead of PMs that were showing on the camera time stamps--he could have been killed early morning instead of evening and she would have been long gone and the washload long stopped before roomies came home. IIRC one roommate spent the night with a GF, arrived home sometime during the day on the 4th. Never saw the killer or her car at any time. Of course, it could be another case of they just did not notice because that was their norm.
I do think the killer could have been long gone by 5 or 6 PM. The camera times are not written in stone and with it being so many days before the body was discovered they could not pinpoint time of death exactly. The day, yes, but not the hour.
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I think the problem with that is the receipts for gas ~8:40 p.m. in Pasadena before embarking to Mesa, don't think she could have gotten to Mesa any earlier than 3:00 a.m. or so. Post 26 in this thread has a listing of all the receipts:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-receipts-and-the-monetary-transactions/page2
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-receipts-and-the-monetary-transactions/page2
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Something else very curious, Det. Flores testified that the last usages of Travis' laptop, found in his office, were at 3:34, 4:19 and 4:54 p.m, Zach said in his follow-up interview that Wed. was his day off, that he got up and returned the rental car in the morning and returned to the house at approx. 3:00, for an hour - if he was in the house, and Travis was in his office at 3:34, how did they not see each other, or Zach at least be aware of Travis being in the house/office?