Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #3

[SouthAussie]

The search for victims and wreckage of AirAsia flight QZ8501, which crashed on Dec 28 during its journey from Surabaya to Singapore, has been expanded northwards to the Makassar Strait in Donggala regency, Central Sulawesi.

The move came after fishermen in Pinrang regency, South Sulawesi, reportedly found two bones thought to be from human feet and more aircraft parts on Wednesday.

The bones were found by different fishermen in separate places along the Suppa district coastline, Pinrang, some 950km from the site in the Karimata Strait where the plane with 162 people on board had crashed.

Fauzan Mahmud of the joint search and rescue team said the first bone was found at about 8am local time not far from the beach. The second bone was found at about 10am the same day in Wiringtasi subdistrict, Suppa. An Adidas trainer was attached to the bone.
- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...ntral-sulawesi-after-bod#sthash.mn5k0U3t.dpuf

Similar article ... with a bit of other info, as well.

Local fisherman also located parts of an overhead cabin locker suspected to be from the Airbus A320-200.

“As the stream continues to move to the north, the search will most likely expand as far as the Central Sulawesi region,”

Meanwhile, an Indonesian police department charged with identifying disaster victims, announced the identities of three more passengers -- Indah Yuni (female), Saiful Rachmad (male), Joe Jeng Fei (male) -- on Wednesday, bringing the total number of bodies identified to 67.

A total of 92 bodies have been recovered so far from the Java Sea, while authorities continue to search the area for more remains.

http://www.ibtimes.com/airasia-flig...ebris-found-search-expands-north-java-1806222

 

[SouthAussie]

And another incident in Indonesia.


"A Garuda Indonesia passenger plane skidded off the runway as it landed at Lombok’s main airport on Tuesday, a company spokesman said, just weeks after the deadly crash of an AirAsia jet in the archipelago.

It was the latest accident to hit the aviation sector in Indonesia, adding to concerns that safety standards are failing to keep pace as the archipelago’s skies become increasingly crowded."

http://thejakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/news/garuda-indonesia-plane-skids-runway-lombok/

 

[emirates1957]

Thanks, emirates! :seeya:

So the capt could have disconnected the no-brainer flight systems right from his seat, and taken control of the plane. (Well, the media got it ½ right.) Yet the capt may have allowed the 2nd officer to continue flying the plane, at least for a little while. Maybe the peril they were in wasn't immediately apparent - or he wanted to give the 2nd officer the opportunity to correct the issues under his instruction. The younger ones have to learn somehow.

Yes it would appear that the Capt could disengage from the left hand seat. Considering it was the F/O's sector the Capt would take over if he felt that the F/O was not flying to procedure. Honestly I think the peril would have been immediate, and with all due respect the Capt would not be giving the F/O any opportunity to correct issues. It would have been panic mode, both Pilots trying to rectify the event, maybe no time for checklists. Pushing the limits should never, ever apply in aviation.

 

[emirates1957]

Thanks, emirates! :seeya:

So the capt could have disconnected the no-brainer flight systems right from his seat, and taken control of the plane. (Well, the media got it ½ right.) Yet the capt may have allowed the 2nd officer to continue flying the plane, at least for a little while. Maybe the peril they were in wasn't immediately apparent - or he wanted to give the 2nd officer the opportunity to correct the issues under his instruction. The younger ones have to learn somehow.

Yes it would appear that the Capt could disengage from the left hand seat. Considering it was the F/O's sector the Capt would take over if he felt that the F/O was not flying to procedure. Honestly I think the peril would have been immediate, and with all due respect the Capt would not be giving the F/O any opportunity to correct issues. It would have been panic mode, both Pilots trying to rectify the event, maybe no time for checklists. Pushing the limits should never, ever apply in aviation.

 

[emirates1957]

Sorry duplicate.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Not much news but here's that SAR member person on twitter link again. He's saying (11 hours or so ago) one body found had a uniform on, not sure if it was cockpit or fuselage area where they found the body though.

SAR Lion #QZ8501 @SabretoothLion
· 11h 11 hours ago
U/D from Karimata strait : SAR team evacuate 5 corpses from the deep. 1 of them suspected as the pilot, indicate from the uniform. #QZ8501

SAR Lion #QZ8501 @SabretoothLion
· 11h 11 hours ago
U/D from the SAR team : until today, 98 corpses have been evacuated. Tomorrow they'll swipe Palu Bay. #QZ8501

Link to his twitter. Just read down and read conversations too. More updates than in the news. jmo

https://twitter.com/SabretoothLion/with_replies

 

[newone]

Not much news but here's that SAR member person on twitter link again. He's saying (11 hours or so ago) one body found had a uniform on, not sure if it was cockpit or fuselage area where they found the body though.

SAR Lion #QZ8501 @SabretoothLion
· 11h 11 hours ago
U/D from Karimata strait : SAR team evacuate 5 corpses from the deep. 1 of them suspected as the pilot, indicate from the uniform. #QZ8501

SAR Lion #QZ8501 @SabretoothLion
· 11h 11 hours ago
U/D from the SAR team : until today, 98 corpses have been evacuated. Tomorrow they'll swipe Palu Bay. #QZ8501

Link to his twitter. Just read down and read conversations too. More updates than in the news. jmo

https://twitter.com/SabretoothLion/with_replies

thanks for that link: very very uplifting to see that there are good souls out their volunteering their time and their resources for this humanitarian effort of recovery......

 

[Dr. Know?]

QZ8501: Divers retrieve more bodies, raising total to 100

7 February 2015 @ 8:52 PM

JAKARTA: Indonesian divers have recovered seven more bodies from December’s AirAsia crash, including one from the jet’s cockpit, bringing the total number of victims retrieved to 100.

more

http://www.nst.com.my/node/72106

 

[Dr. Know?]

Air News & Services @airlivenet
· 10h 10 hours ago
#AirAsia flight #QZ8501: Body retrieved may be that of French co-pilot, says search official /@STForeignDesk

https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/563952089488175104


SAR Lion #QZ8501 @SabretoothLion
· 12h 12 hours ago
Ok I'm now at Parepare and joining with the local volunteer fishermen. We now searching at Parepare water. #QZ8501


SAR Lion #QZ8501 @SabretoothLion
· 10h 10 hours ago
U/D from Karimata strait : until today, they have been evacuate 7 corpses from the deep. The cockpit is totally damaged/destroyed. #QZ8501


SAR Lion #QZ8501 @SabretoothLion
· 6h 6 hours ago
U/D from DVI team : today, 4 corpses have been identified. Until today, 72 corpses have been identified. #QZ8501


SAR Lion #QZ8501 @SabretoothLion
· 3h 3 hours ago
Today one of fishermen found the debris of the wing. #QZ8501

https://twitter.com/SabretoothLion/with_replies

 

[panthera]

QZ8501: Divers retrieve more bodies, raising total to 100

7 February 2015 @ 8:52 PM

JAKARTA: Indonesian divers have recovered seven more bodies from December’s AirAsia crash, including one from the jet’s cockpit, bringing the total number of victims retrieved to 100.

more

http://www.nst.com.my/node/72106

Thankfully it appears they are making a lot of progress with recovery of remains in the past few days.

raying:

 

[SouthAussie]

Not much news but here's that SAR member person on twitter link again. He's saying (11 hours or so ago) one body found had a uniform on, not sure if it was cockpit or fuselage area where they found the body though.

BBM: The body was found in the cockpit still strapped to the seat, but it was not clear if it was that of the Indonesian captain or the French co-pilot, search operation chief Bambang Sulistyo said.

He said divers would try on Saturday to retrieve the body of the second pilot, believed to be still in the cockpit.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/airasia-pilot-found-still-strapped-in-seat-20150207-138oty.html



Soelistyo said a strong underwater current hampered attempts by divers Saturday to retrieve the other body from the cockpit.

http://news.yahoo.com/divers-retrieve-more-airasia-bodies-raising-total-100-124127218.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Part of the tail is now being transferred to Jakarta. It sure has been cut down a lot, hasn't it?

February 7, 2015: A section of AirAsia flight QZ8501's tail is loaded onto a boat for transportation to Jakarta from Kumai Port, where it had been stored since it was recovered last month, near Pangkalan Bun, Central Kalimantan

http://news.yahoo.com/divers-retrieve-more-airasia-bodies-raising-total-100-124127218.html

 

[SouthAussie]

The pilots of an AirAsia X flight from Kuala Lumpur to Jeddah, western Saudi Arabia, have aborted the flight and circled for hours to burn off fuel before landing safely in Malaysia.

“One auto thrust not functioning properly. Actually okay to fly but we just returning it to base,” Mr Fernandes said.

He confirmed the plane landed safely at Kuala Lumpur’s international airport late Sunday afternoon.

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/02/08/airasia-x-flight-aborted-malfunction/


Auto-thrusters are systems that are used to ensure a plane continues to travel at a steady speed.

The incident sparked fresh questions on social media about the Malaysian airline group's safety record as it struggles with the aftermath of the loss of Flight QZ8501 in late December with 162 people on board.

http://news.yahoo.com/malfunction-forces-airasia-x-abort-flight-turn-back-100753920.html

 

[panthera]

The pilots of an AirAsia X flight from Kuala Lumpur to Jeddah, western Saudi Arabia, have aborted the flight and circled for hours to burn off fuel before landing safely in Malaysia.

“One auto thrust not functioning properly. Actually okay to fly but we just returning it to base,” Mr Fernandes said.

He confirmed the plane landed safely at Kuala Lumpur’s international airport late Sunday afternoon.

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/02/08/airasia-x-flight-aborted-malfunction/


Auto-thrusters are systems that are used to ensure a plane continues to travel at a steady speed.

The incident sparked fresh questions on social media about the Malaysian airline group's safety record as it struggles with the aftermath of the loss of Flight QZ8501 in late December with 162 people on board.

http://news.yahoo.com/malfunction-forces-airasia-x-abort-flight-turn-back-100753920.html

Yet another problem. At least this one landed safely and hopefully maintenance on these aircraft will be thoroughly checked.

:doh:

MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Yet another problem. At least this one landed safely and hopefully maintenance on these aircraft will be thoroughly checked.

:doh:

MOO

Yes, they do seem to have one incident right after another. How well is the maintenance on this cash-strapped airlines carried out?

The two separate incidents in this article happened to AirAsia aircraft about a month ago. I don't think we particularly noticed them due to the immediacy of the QZ8501 crash ... or at least, I think I only noticed one of them at the time.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/t...flight-incidents/story-fnh81fz8-1227170541671

At the bottom of the article there is also a Thai Airways in-flight incident at around the same time.

:scared:

 

[Dr. Know?]

Divers may have found QZ8501 co-pilot’s body

“It is likely the body of the French co-pilot, wearing uniform with three stripes on (the) shoulder,” he told AFP, adding that the body is still being held onboard the Pacitan warship before being taken to land.

and this

Three bodies were found inside the main body of the plane on Friday and another three bodies near the fuselage yesterday, bringing a total number of dead retrieved to 101, Supriyadi said.

Rescue services are still trying to lift the fuselage from the seabed using giant inflatable bags after earlier attempts failed. – AFP

http://www.theborneopost.com/2015/02/08/divers-may-have-found-qz8501-co-pilots-body/

 

[emirates1957]

Divers may have found QZ8501 co-pilot’s body

“It is likely the body of the French co-pilot, wearing uniform with three stripes on (the) shoulder,” he told AFP, adding that the body is still being held onboard the Pacitan warship before being taken to land.

and this

Three bodies were found inside the main body of the plane on Friday and another three bodies near the fuselage yesterday, bringing a total number of dead retrieved to 101, Supriyadi said.

Rescue services are still trying to lift the fuselage from the seabed using giant inflatable bags after earlier attempts failed. – AFP

http://www.theborneopost.com/2015/02/08/divers-may-have-found-qz8501-co-pilots-body/

That would definitely be the F/O.

 

[Dr. Know?]

SAR Lion #QZ8501 ‏@SabretoothLion · 2h2 hours ago
Ok on the sea again, but little bit different. We have 5 personnel onboard. The old fishermen, assistance & two other volunteers. #QZ8501

QZ8501: Body Of Sole M’sian Passenger Identified

Published on Monday, 09 February 2015 21:32

JAKARTA: The body of the only Malaysian passenger, Sii Chung Huei, in the AirAsia QZ8501 crash in the Java Sea last Dec 28, was identified by Indonesian authorities today.

http://www.malaysiandigest.com/worl...ed.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Dr. Know?]

Body parts, aircraft pieces found in Majene

Andi Hajramurni, The Jakarta Post, Makassar | Archipelago | Tue, February 10 2015, 8:40 PM

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/02/10/body-parts-aircraft-pieces-found-majene.html

 

[Hatfield]

I had my A320 Pilot friend over for dinner last night he is a First Officer with Jetstar which is the low cost offshoot of Qantas (in the industry that would be Quick And Nasty Typical Australian Service). He hadn't followed the story and only knew bits and pieces. Sorry guys I will have to put it in my not so technical terminology. After many drinks last night I'll do my best !!!! Firstly he said that they should not have been so close to a cat 5 storm. At Jetstar they would remain clear of electrical activity by at least 20 miles. He also agreed Indonesian aviation safety is lack lustre and has nowhere near the standards we uphold in Australia, not to mention many other countries. The major circuit breakers/switches are above the Capt's head in easy reach. Apparently behind the F/O are tens upon 10's of circuit breakers. At no stage in this particular phase of flight could the Capt get out of his harness and select a circuit breaker, in particular the right one. Two switches above the Capts head should have been pulled/switched on which puts the A/C into ALT LAW, which still has the ability to counteract high speed with auto speed protection. He did say that the Pitot tubes could have been a problem as well. Apparently when Airbus have an accident all Airbus owners will receive (can't remember the term) an advisory. Airline operators will not receive an advisory if it is Pilot error. He did say that if this A/C was caught in an updraft he thought it would have been the down draft that sent them into a super stall. Upon saying that he said if they were at 30,000 there should have been enough time to recover from this event. I can't remember if he said it was the FDR or the CVR that can simply be plugged (into some thingy !!!) and data can be retrieved immediately - I think it was the CVR. He was quite sure that a box was sent to Canberra for analysis. As for the emergency slide, this can only be activated once the A/C has depressurised. Once the A/C tail section broke off this would have depressurised the A/C which would lend weight to the slide being deployed. He was interested to know if the tail section was marginally intact (which I believe it was) - this also leant theory to a stall.

Great summary of the discussion you had with him. Thanks for thinking about us. Every little bit we learn helps us. Thank You so much.