MN MN - Joshua Guimond, 20, Collegeville, 9 Nov 2002 - #2

[charminglane]

did you manage to find a list of people who were at maur house? not sure who you mean by J unless you mean josh? i think his name is one we can definitely use though!

that does sound likely. i remember when i was at university and the students didnt give a damn about security.no one at that age, especially at a university thinks anything bad will happen,why would you?,so the door being propped open seems very plausible to me, good call

I'm wondering if Josh brought his wallet with him at all to the poker party.
Just his keys and some cash, maybe.

 

[puzzleworldplanet]

I'm wondering if Josh brought his wallet with him at all to the poker party.
Just his keys and some cash, maybe.

i think this information is critical to figuring out what happened.do people at the poker party remember josh wearing glasses? did he used his wallet? anyone see him with keys? the issue is that this is such an old case now, will people remember those small details?

 

[Ciriii57]

Alternate door propped open.

Hi, I was just wondering what you meant by "alternate" door? Did you mean a different door?
According to the architectural company each house has just one door facing either North or South. But to be honest I doubt this as it would seem to contravene fire safety regulations. I tried to look in google earth at other angles to find another door, but there were too many trees for a clear view. I am keen toi see a blueprint of Maur House if one can be got....I think I'll email the architectural company and see if they can answer about the doors, and maybe even provide blueprints....

i remember when i was at university and the students didnt give a damn about security

Same, the door was always propped open. In fact I think some guys had lost their keycards so we pretty much had to leave it open all the time for them. I think it is VERY likely that doors on St John's were propped open. You don't think about security at that age, you just think about ease of access for your mates I think.

 

[Valiant]

2) Nick. He had an argument with Josh prior to whatever happened. He also has some unaccounted for time on the night it happened, right at the crucual time, he wasn't particlularly co-operative with LE and lawyered up pretty quickly. Now I think it has usually been assumed that Nick and Josh had some unresolved issue over Katie. But I am not sure this works at all as a motive just for the very fact that Nick and Katie never actually got together. I doubt Nick would go to the extreme of murdering Josh and then accept to not even get together with Katie!
So if it was Nick, and it wasn't about Katie, then we need to ask ourselves-what the hell was it about? Is there some whole other thing happening that no one has any idea about-perhaps related to the computer being "washed" to get rid of anything incrimating?

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Just because Nick and Josh might have had an argument over Katie that could have possibly at some time came to a climax with Josh's disappearance does not mean that Katie would automatically date Nick if Josh was gone.

 

[Ciriii57]

If I have everything straight, I think it would be GB that was home that night. I am assuming J(?) is the one that was gone, but am unsure if AM was gone too.

Thanks for that. Ok so I believe there were 6 rooms in Maur House so there should have been 6 roommates. I only have 5:

1. Josh
2. NH
3. AS
4. GB
5. AM

Is your J(?) the sixth?

I am actually interested in finding what In can about these people and how close Josh was to the rest of them. And if they were in Josh's year or the year above too.

 

[puzzleworldplanet]

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Just because Nick and Josh might have had an argument over Katie that could have possibly at some time came to a climax with Josh's disappearance does not mean that Katie would automatically date Nick if Josh was gone.

of course not, but youre using your rational,logical brain. its abundantly clear that 'N' had a very clear fascination with 'K'.to the point where the woman he ended up getting engaged to even has a look of 'K'.i believe 'N' played down his feelings for 'K'

 

[Ciriii57]

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Just because Nick and Josh might have had an argument over Katie that could have possibly at some time came to a climax with Josh's disappearance does not mean that Katie would automatically date Nick if Josh was gone.

Of course not...and in fact that's exactly what happened, they didn't date. But did Nick realise this at the time?

 

[cenazoic]

I think I'll email the architectural company and see if they can answer about the doors, and maybe even provide blueprints....

That would be interesting to see. There’s a bit of info here, but you have to be a current student to see the floorplans:

Maur and Placid Houses

www.csbsju.edu

And of course, that big ground floor window could be a good ‘alternate exit’.

 

[charminglane]

Hi, I was just wondering what you meant by "alternate" door? Did you mean a different door?
According to the architectural company each house has just one door facing either North or South. But to be honest I doubt this as it would seem to contravene fire safety regulations. I tried to look in google earth at other angles to find another door, but there were too many trees for a clear view. I am keen toi see a blueprint of Maur House if one can be got....I think I'll email the architectural company and see if they can answer about the doors, and maybe even provide blueprints....


Same, the door was always propped open. In fact I think some guys had lost their keycards so we pretty much had to leave it open all the time for them. I think it is VERY likely that doors on St John's were propped open. You don't think about security at that age, you just think about ease of access for your mates I think.

I was responding to

• alternate entrance e.g back door, basement, some form of entry that doesn't require a card - from post #895.

Yes, a different door in his building that might have been propped open or lock broken.
However, then you get into the nitty gritty of why a different door? Did he arrive from a different walking path so used a different entrance knowing it would/was open? Did he walk with an unknown to us person that used a different entrance? Etc.

 

[puzzleworldplanet]

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Just because Nick and Josh might have had an argument over Katie that could have possibly at some time came to a climax with Josh's disappearance does not mean that Katie would automatically date Nick if Josh was gone.

the sightings (at least 1-2 of them) were adamant they saw josh walking alone heading towards maur house,whichh makes me think josh was alone at least until he got to the car park area

 

[puzzleworldplanet]

someone mentioned the dating profile using a pornographic photo profile picyesterday but i forget who, so here is a link to info about it. roommates unaware apparently

Article clipped from St. Cloud Times

Clipping found in St. Cloud Times published in Saint Cloud, Minnesota on 4/13/2003.

www.newspapers.com

"He also visited sites displaying *advertiser censored*. He perused personal ads on Yahoo and appeared to create a personal ad of a female that he posted. His roommates were unaware that Guimond had created the personal ad and didn't recognize the picture he posted with it It was a naked, blonde female seated on a black-leather couch, a woman he named Gwen. The creation probably was a joke, Hydukovich said, evidenced by the name he gave her. Hydukovich and Guimond often talked about their admiration for the singer Gwen Stefani.

Guimond also accessed several personal ads on the same Yahoo site. His roommates didn't recognize the people pictured in two of the personals, and it's unclear from the computer whether Guimond communicated with any of the people pictured in the ads or whether anyone communicated with Gwen."

BBM

 

[cenazoic]

His roommates didn't recognize the people pictured in two of the personals

Interesting they didn’t specify a gender.

 

[puzzleworldplanet]

Interesting they didn’t specify a gender.

a gender of the online profiles? well it says gwen was a pornographic image of a woman and the netflix doc said that josh was posing as a woman on the two accounts so its probably safe to say the coochiecoo account was a similar setup

 

[cenazoic]

No, I mean the part I quoted, about showing friends two ads but they didn’t recognize the ‘people’ in them.

 

[Valiant]

Since we don't know how the key card worked, it is possible he followed someone else into the building and didn't have to use his card to enter the building. If the card also opened his door, it may be possible someone could leave their room door unlocked.
That's one possibility of how he could have returned without his key card being used.

 

[Ciriii57]

Guimond also accessed several personal ads on the same Yahoo site. His roommates didn't recognize the people pictured in two of the personals

 BBM
This is interesting phrasing. He accessed several, which suggests more than 2 to me. His roommates didn't recognise the people pictured in two.
So were his roommates only shown 2? If so, why not show them all?
Or
Did his roommates recognise all but two? If they knew the others, then that's significant because it's likely they were people from college or locals? So who were they?

No, I mean the part I quoted, about showing friends two ads but they didn’t recognize the ‘people’ in them.

I agree, and the word people might be used because there was more than one gender represented. Josh was talking to heterosexual couples, lesbians, gay men, straight men and bisexual men. (Well he was accessing these chat rooms and personal ads so I assume he was also chatting in them). Hmm seems like he covered most sexual preferences here.
Or maybe the journalist just felt it was a more appropriate word, or didn't want to "out" Josh.

 

[Ciriii57]

Since we don't know how the key card worked, it is possible he followed someone else into the building and didn't have to use his card to enter the building. If the card also opened his door, it may be possible someone could leave their room door unlocked.
That's one possibility of how he could have returned without his key card being used.

No, you're right, unfortunately we don't know exactly how it worked, though there weren't that many options in 2001 when it was installed, most worked on the same principle and are identical to the ones used in hotels even today. From the picture of the door it looks identical to the one used at my uni and I'd hazard a guess that you inserted the card into a slot until the light turned green and you could open the door.
Now the closing bit is what im not sure about. Most of them would be on self closing hinges so that the door would close itself and then lock closed again. But I have no idea if the doors at Maur House had this self closing feature.


Re Josh following someone else in. Yes, a possibility. Then their key card would be registered as entering. I haven't seen any reports of the entries on that night so I couldn't possibly say one way or the other, so i have to hope that if someone else did enter at that time LE would have noted it!

One other point to mention. Just because someone's key card is shown entering Maur House, that doesn't mean that that person entered. The system registers the unique keycard number that is registered to a user; it cannot know who is using that particular card.
This might have no relevance though.

 

[puzzleworldplanet]

But I have no idea if the doors at Maur House had this self closing feature.

ive read sju students on various websites unrelated to josh saying the maur house doors so have a self closing feature...but even then...its not foolproof.ive personally witnessed those kinds of 'heavy' doors that fail to close without an extra nudge,or failed to close if something is blocking it. if josh made it back into the room,it was possible that he wedged it when he returned briefly at 11.06 pm

One other point to mention. Just because someone's key card is shown entering Maur House, that doesn't mean that that person entered. The system registers the unique keycard number that is registered to a user; it cannot know who is using that particular card.
This might have no relevance though.

thats a good point.the last time josh keycard was used was 11.06 pm...and sheriffs assume it was him because he went to poker party after this time.i still find it strange why alex and greg cant vouch for this? they were with him, right?! they cant not see josh turn around and walk back to maur house....its impossible not to.

 

[Squeelz]

Thanks for that. Ok so I believe there were 6 rooms in Maur House so there should have been 6 roommates. I only have 5:

1. Josh
2. NH
3. AS
4. GB
5. AM

Is your J(?) the sixth?

I am actually interested in finding what In can about these people and how close Josh was to the rest of them. And if they were in Josh's year or the year above too.

did you manage to find a list of people who were at maur house? not sure who you mean by J unless you mean josh? i think his name is one we can definitely use though!

that does sound likely. i remember when i was at university and the students didnt give a damn about security.no one at that age, especially at a university thinks anything bad will happen,why would you?,so the door being propped open seems very plausible to me, good call

I only have a partial list of those at Maur house and am still working on it.

 

[puzzleworldplanet]

ive beene having athink about this door situation!! i remembered a situation i had around 10-12 years ago. and wondered if josh could have done the same.....this is very plausible (at least in my head!!)

i waS at university with the same style doors that metten ct has/had. one day i went to visit my girlfriend and as i was walking to her place (she lived 5-10 minutes from me)....halfway there i realised i forgot to take her some cakes i'd baked earlier that day...so i went back to my place and put down my swipe card in a rush and i went to the kitchen, couldn't find the cakes...so i began knocking on every flatmates door asking who the hell had eaten the cakes, they were for my girl... anyway,i realised i was running late so instead of going to get my card, i just left the door wedged open so i could quickly go get her and walk back to my place (i didnt like her walking on her own to my place as the area was a bit rough)

so if you follow my logic....if we believe josh went back to maur house at 11.06pm....then in a rush, maybe he did similar to what i did back at university and placed his swipe card down, realised his friends are probably waiting for him, so wedged the door and goes back out with his friends and walks up to metten ct.

this theory seems plausible to me.....if joshs swipe card was found in his room. anyone know if it was??