Prof
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Jun 5, 2009
- Messages
- 3,228
- Reaction score
- 112
LOL!
:crazy: yes, we're getting into TS' head -- and I'm praying for everyone's safe travels back, including my own
AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #17
- Thread starter Salem
- Start date
New Posts
-
Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #184- Latest: StarryStarryNight
- Status
LOL!
:crazy: yes, we're getting into TS' head -- and I'm praying for everyone's safe travels back, including my own
Aye Luckygirl and momtective -
I think this is really plausible, depending on how long these two really knew each other. I can totally see TPS going off about natural medicines, colonics, etc. and how that would help EJ get rid of side effects of her meds, make her so she wouldn't need her meds, etc. etc.
Salem
I think this is really plausible, depending on how long these two really knew each other. I can totally see TPS going off about natural medicines, colonics, etc. and how that would help EJ get rid of side effects of her meds, make her so she wouldn't need her meds, etc. etc.
Salem
Kamille
Shine bright like a diamond
- Joined
- May 5, 2009
- Messages
- 16,781
- Reaction score
- 6,297
LOL!!
I've been trying to get into EJ's and I think that's a much scarier place. :nerves:
danni
You are reinforcing my inherent mistrust of strang
- Joined
- Oct 23, 2009
- Messages
- 605
- Reaction score
- 147
This is something that I can actually believe about this case. One of VERY few things that is actually plausible in this case.
kissdegirl
New Member
- Joined
- Jan 20, 2010
- Messages
- 1,135
- Reaction score
- 10
I don't know where to put this, so I'll stick it in this thread, and then forget later where I posted, lol.
Does AZ have state inspections of vehicles? I was wondering if it was recent, or if the oil was changed recently on the car (like right before the roadtrip) and they put a sticker on the windshield with the miles? It would be great if they had an idea of the miles of the vehicle before the trip, then they could compare to the GPS. If there was a huge difference, it could suggest a long trip out of the way....like some of us were thinking to Victoria or Padre. Of course, I'm sure LE or the FBI would have looked for that.
Does AZ have state inspections of vehicles? I was wondering if it was recent, or if the oil was changed recently on the car (like right before the roadtrip) and they put a sticker on the windshield with the miles? It would be great if they had an idea of the miles of the vehicle before the trip, then they could compare to the GPS. If there was a huge difference, it could suggest a long trip out of the way....like some of us were thinking to Victoria or Padre. Of course, I'm sure LE or the FBI would have looked for that.
Prof
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Jun 5, 2009
- Messages
- 3,228
- Reaction score
- 112
Okay Kamille, here is my attempt into getting into the mind of EJ -- probably with the opposite approach of most giving her some benefit of the doubt
First of all --
I think it is very wrong for a parent to deny another parent's right to contact or involvement with a child -- morally, ethically, and legally wrong
I think it is very wrong to kidnap a child in the process of above -- morally, ethically, and legally wrong
I think it is very wrong for anyone to text that they have murdered a baby -- ethically and morally wrong
Okay here I go --
But what if this is all EJ did, and what if she did the above because someone experienced in shady custody and adoption deals convinced her that it was somehow right, that the ends justify the means?
What if EJ like many young mothers simply wanted to be able to give her child a better life than she had and decided maybe a little too late to try to give Gabriel that better life?
What if she is now hearing from all sides --lawyer telling her to keep quiet because she's going to get 20 years either way --LE telling her to talk or they might have to charge her with murder -- the Smiths' who she seemed to trust turning against her
IF all of the above is true, I can say she is a misquided, poor me, selfish, short-sighted, confused, seriously needing counseling and meds young woman, but not an evil monster
If I find out that she gave her child to some random couple in a park, that would have an effect on the perspective, because in the mindset above I did not account for that extent of naiveté
If I find out that she murdered Gabriel, then she's more evil than I could ever attempt to try to explore
Yes all above is the opinion of an optimist who gives too many people the benefit of the doubt lol
First of all --
I think it is very wrong for a parent to deny another parent's right to contact or involvement with a child -- morally, ethically, and legally wrong
I think it is very wrong to kidnap a child in the process of above -- morally, ethically, and legally wrong
I think it is very wrong for anyone to text that they have murdered a baby -- ethically and morally wrong
Okay here I go --
But what if this is all EJ did, and what if she did the above because someone experienced in shady custody and adoption deals convinced her that it was somehow right, that the ends justify the means?
What if EJ like many young mothers simply wanted to be able to give her child a better life than she had and decided maybe a little too late to try to give Gabriel that better life?
What if she is now hearing from all sides --lawyer telling her to keep quiet because she's going to get 20 years either way --LE telling her to talk or they might have to charge her with murder -- the Smiths' who she seemed to trust turning against her
IF all of the above is true, I can say she is a misquided, poor me, selfish, short-sighted, confused, seriously needing counseling and meds young woman, but not an evil monster
If I find out that she gave her child to some random couple in a park, that would have an effect on the perspective, because in the mindset above I did not account for that extent of naiveté
If I find out that she murdered Gabriel, then she's more evil than I could ever attempt to try to explore
Yes all above is the opinion of an optimist who gives too many people the benefit of the doubt lol
sleuth2001
New Member
- Joined
- Jan 19, 2010
- Messages
- 174
- Reaction score
- 0
TS just posted on her FB page that they will start digging the landfills today or tomorrow. She used the word digging I didn't. I would have chosen the word searching. :furious:
She's one of those foot-in-mouth peeps!
BeanE
Inactive
San Antonio police said Monday that they had one more tip to follow-up on before making a decision on a landfill search. Tuesday night, police would not say if that tip materialized.
My dear friends,
We need tips, and we need them today. Please call in or email in anything and everything you think may not have been submitted, no matter how small.
If you have any question whether something has been submitted, please call or email it in.
If you are not sure how to submit a tip, just call the tipline and tell them you're not sure how to get the info to them, and they will walk you through it.
Thank you.
My dear friends,
We need tips, and we need them today. Please call in or email in anything and everything you think may not have been submitted, no matter how small.
If you have any question whether something has been submitted, please call or email it in.
If you are not sure how to submit a tip, just call the tipline and tell them you're not sure how to get the info to them, and they will walk you through it.
Thank you.
Kamille
Shine bright like a diamond
- Joined
- May 5, 2009
- Messages
- 16,781
- Reaction score
- 6,297
Okay now that we know that TPS's first contact with LM to try to get him to sign adoption papers was on the 22nd, and we can imagine that there was much more to that exchange on that day, I find the conversation the babysitter reported with EJ's "grandmother" the following day making much more sense...
Analisa, when -- who was it that called her on the phone and they were -- it was very contentious, they were arguing on the phone? Who was that?
URIAS: She told me it was her grandmother. I mean I don`t know if that`s who it really was but that`s what she told me.
GRACE: OK. Grandmother. All right, Analisa, what, to the best of your recollection, was she saying back to the grandmother?
URIAS: I remember her saying, what am I supposed to do? Just go back? And, you know, that`s all I pretty much heard her saying. The whole time it was the lady on the other end screaming at her.
GRACE: So the only thing you recall her saying is, what am I supposed to do? Go back? That`s the only thing you recall her saying?
URIAS: That`s the only thing I recall her saying, yes.
GRACE: How long did the conversation last?
URIAS: Maybe a few minutes, maybe -- no more than five minutes.
GRACE: Could you hear what the woman was saying on the other end?
URIAS: I couldn`t hear. All I know is that she was screaming loudly.
GRACE: What did Elizabeth Johnson say to you after she hung up from that conversation?
URIAS: She told me, I`m sorry, that was my grandma. She`s scared because my baby`s dad is threatening her to tell her where we are and we`re in a custody battle.
So we can cut the nonsense that this was her grandmother she was talking to. We know that LE has verified that she was not talking to her grandmother. We know that the only person at that point who knew where she was and her phone number was TPS so we can assume that it was TPS on the other end of that phone IMO.
So EJ tells the babysitter that "whoever is on the phone" is scared because LM is threatening her and demanding to know where EJ and Gabriel are. Well I can imagine after receiving that text and whatever conversation and texting that went on between TPS and LM after that, that LM would be threatening TPS to give up EJ's location and would most likely have told her that if EJ didn't return that this could be considered a kidnapping and that TPS would be facing charges for aiding and abetting too I'm sure. I'm sure his father was involved in that conversation also and the fact that he is an LE officer, they both had to have had TPS getting pretty nervous at that point.
So TPS got on the phone to her "attorney" and "adoption" friends to try to see if LM could actually do this considering LM did not have full custody at that point and tried to figure out a loophole around this and she found out there was no way they could "legally" do this. And she knew at that point that there was already a LE officer involved who just happened to be the child's grandfather and I think she tried to pull the plug on the plan at that point. So she called EJ and told her the plan was off and she had to come back. But EJ had already cleaned out the trailer and had no intention of coming back. She had her new fake identification and she was ready to move on. And TPS scrambled for the rest of that week trying to get her to come back while EJ tried to figure out what to do.
Once again as per the babysitter...
URIAS: I thought it was kind of weird the way he was acting and the way she was treating him. I did consider calling CPS, but again, after that I lost her number so I wasn`t able to contact her or anybody else.
And also, I didn`t know how long she would be staying there because she told me she wasn`t -- she didn`t know what she was going to do next.
So after that phone call, she told the babysitter that she didn't know what she was going to do next. Well I guess not if TPS was bailing out of the original plan and telling her to come back and she had no intention of going back. So I guess the big question is did TPS come up with another plan sometime during that week or did EJ make her own decision on what to do on the 26th of December? If LM had signed those papers, who was supposed to go to SA and pick up Gabriel? Was EJ going to bring him back and go back to living in the trailer as a single woman? What was the plan if he signed the papers? :waitasec:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/19/ng.01.html
MOO
Analisa, when -- who was it that called her on the phone and they were -- it was very contentious, they were arguing on the phone? Who was that?
URIAS: She told me it was her grandmother. I mean I don`t know if that`s who it really was but that`s what she told me.
GRACE: OK. Grandmother. All right, Analisa, what, to the best of your recollection, was she saying back to the grandmother?
URIAS: I remember her saying, what am I supposed to do? Just go back? And, you know, that`s all I pretty much heard her saying. The whole time it was the lady on the other end screaming at her.
GRACE: So the only thing you recall her saying is, what am I supposed to do? Go back? That`s the only thing you recall her saying?
URIAS: That`s the only thing I recall her saying, yes.
GRACE: How long did the conversation last?
URIAS: Maybe a few minutes, maybe -- no more than five minutes.
GRACE: Could you hear what the woman was saying on the other end?
URIAS: I couldn`t hear. All I know is that she was screaming loudly.
GRACE: What did Elizabeth Johnson say to you after she hung up from that conversation?
URIAS: She told me, I`m sorry, that was my grandma. She`s scared because my baby`s dad is threatening her to tell her where we are and we`re in a custody battle.
So we can cut the nonsense that this was her grandmother she was talking to. We know that LE has verified that she was not talking to her grandmother. We know that the only person at that point who knew where she was and her phone number was TPS so we can assume that it was TPS on the other end of that phone IMO.
So EJ tells the babysitter that "whoever is on the phone" is scared because LM is threatening her and demanding to know where EJ and Gabriel are. Well I can imagine after receiving that text and whatever conversation and texting that went on between TPS and LM after that, that LM would be threatening TPS to give up EJ's location and would most likely have told her that if EJ didn't return that this could be considered a kidnapping and that TPS would be facing charges for aiding and abetting too I'm sure. I'm sure his father was involved in that conversation also and the fact that he is an LE officer, they both had to have had TPS getting pretty nervous at that point.
So TPS got on the phone to her "attorney" and "adoption" friends to try to see if LM could actually do this considering LM did not have full custody at that point and tried to figure out a loophole around this and she found out there was no way they could "legally" do this. And she knew at that point that there was already a LE officer involved who just happened to be the child's grandfather and I think she tried to pull the plug on the plan at that point. So she called EJ and told her the plan was off and she had to come back. But EJ had already cleaned out the trailer and had no intention of coming back. She had her new fake identification and she was ready to move on. And TPS scrambled for the rest of that week trying to get her to come back while EJ tried to figure out what to do.
Once again as per the babysitter...
URIAS: I thought it was kind of weird the way he was acting and the way she was treating him. I did consider calling CPS, but again, after that I lost her number so I wasn`t able to contact her or anybody else.
And also, I didn`t know how long she would be staying there because she told me she wasn`t -- she didn`t know what she was going to do next.
So after that phone call, she told the babysitter that she didn't know what she was going to do next. Well I guess not if TPS was bailing out of the original plan and telling her to come back and she had no intention of going back. So I guess the big question is did TPS come up with another plan sometime during that week or did EJ make her own decision on what to do on the 26th of December? If LM had signed those papers, who was supposed to go to SA and pick up Gabriel? Was EJ going to bring him back and go back to living in the trailer as a single woman? What was the plan if he signed the papers? :waitasec:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/19/ng.01.html
MOO
This is interesting. I had not heard LM's father was in LE. Hummmm.....
captdj
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Oct 2, 2008
- Messages
- 1,259
- Reaction score
- 932
BBM
so whats the whole story as told by Elizabeth... did she say to Tammi that Gabriel is with her...
same here...moving in tomorrow and through Friday with wintery mix. Jessi...curious, have ya'll had a lot of rain days since Dec.27 th....and if so, wouldn't that compromise the landfill ????
captdj
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Oct 2, 2008
- Messages
- 1,259
- Reaction score
- 932
Now we have 5 stories told by Elizabeth
1. Random couple in a park- Smith didnt know them
2. Random couple in the hotel- Smith didnt know them
3. Killed Gabriel put in daiper bag and then the dumspter
4. The Smith set up everything the person, the place and the how but she cant give any detail on how it went down???
5. Then the texting to the Smiths in Miami - that she and Gabriel were "great"
This is really starting to remind me of how KC gave out details and the detectives listening to all this is:banghead:
Yes actually I think I may have posted something about that the other day regarding people wondering about Gabriels little cheeks being red in the photos. Around that time more late Dec early Jan we had a major front come in and initially it had brought rain. It rained here straight for like 2 days. I believe it was during that time period but regardless since this happened yes we have had a significant rain event.
Concernedmomarizona
New Member
- Joined
- Jan 25, 2010
- Messages
- 126
- Reaction score
- 0
Police denying Landfill searches??
http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...27search-for-missing-baby-gabrieljohnson.html
http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...27search-for-missing-baby-gabrieljohnson.html
BeanE
Inactive
No search is currently underway per both SA PD and Tempe PD.
- Status