NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #7

[Mountain_Kat]

Couldn't find anything from Coletti saying SG showed up at his door with a phone in her hand, but I did find this article, which lists some times and alot of contradictions to what we know (or think) are the facts.

<snip>

Brewer said earlier this week that Gilbert had spent an hour at his home in the early morning hours of May 1, the day she went missing.

Meanwhile, a man who said he was Gilbert’s driver that day told The Jersey City Journal that her client phoned him and said Gilbert was refusing to leave. The driver, who didn’t want his name used, said he found Gilbert on the phone telling a 911 operator that a man was after her, the newspaper said. She then ran out of the house.

A neighbor said the same woman appeared at his door at around 4:45 a.m.

“I heard screaming at my front door,” said Gustav Coletti. “She was saying, ‘I need help, I need help, they’re after me,”’ Coletti told The Associated Press. He told the woman he was calling the police, but she immediately turned around and fled, he said.

A few moments later, a man in an SUV drove past the house and told Coletti he was looking for the woman. Coletti said the driver, whom he could only describe as Asian, told him they had been at a party and the woman had become upset.

“He took off after and I waited for the police,” he said. That was the last he saw of either.

</snip>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/12/16/man-recalls-missing-n-j-prostitute-as-delirious/

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Edit: double post

 

[twocuriouscats]

I think the most valuable piece of info that we do not have yet is the 23 min 911 call, specifically the name of the person SG repeatedly claims is trying to kill her.

I believe the only people to have heard this phone call besides LE is SG's family.

SG's family doesn't have a problem throwing damming statements about CPH out to the media...repeatedly. (I would be impatient too)

a + b ... carry the 2 ...

if there is no body there is no case. SG will never be found because this SK who knows the law, went "canyon exploring"JB said, "the truth will come out" because he knows it, but until there is physical evidence he can't be "libeless"-CPH (lawyered up from the start)

now lacking evidence to tie SK to the other bodies, we will basically need someone close to SK to find some proof and turn him in. "people" close to Mr Hyde would probably "go missing" if they seemed like they were going to come out of denial and make that move.

Hi all,

I personally believe that without SG's body they will have a hard time prosecuting this unsub - that's why we have no arrest yet...JMO.
Also, truthspider (hello!), I think you are mentioning the name of a boat owned by a poi. Interesting.

I'm trying to catch up with the threads but MP being the driver is news to me! I had found an AD, and an EE, but never a MP. Good sleuthing (but where did it come from?! Tx!)

 

[tlcya]

When this case first broke, I also recall reading news reports with one of the male witnesses saying that she had shown up at his door and was on a phone call and was frantic. For the life of me I cannot find that article but I do recall reading it. It was when the very first thread on this case started.

I recall because I remember thinking well, if she was on the phone why wasn't she on the phone with 911? If someone were chasing me and I thought I was in danger to the point I was beating on strangers doors looking for help, I would also be on the phone with 911. That report struck me as very odd because I couldn't figure out why she wasn't acting in a manner that made sense to me.

Guess I will keep looking. Who knows, maybe I am losing it.

 

[Sillybilly]

When this case first broke, I also recall reading news reports with one of the male witnesses saying that she had shown up at his door and was on a phone call and was frantic. For the life of me I cannot find that article but I do recall reading it. It was when the very first thread on this case started.

<rsbm>

I remember that too, so seems a few of us are losing it Seriously, i know it was said, just can't find it either.

How could SG have been at JB's on the 911 call, then pulled into a vehicle while on the call, phone goes dead, then she somehow shows up on foot at GC's door? OR, was she still on the 911 call while at GC's, runs and Asian guy finds her and she is pulled into the vehicle at that point and 911 call ends?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Well, we have GC saying she showed up at his door about 4:45am . That's pretty close to the logged 911 call which was at 4:51am. So if GC is correct on his time estimation, then SG would have had to have called 911 and immediately ran to GC's house. MP claims he went to JB's house and found SG on the phone to 911 saying a guy was after her. And JB claims SG was only at his house for 1 hour.

Now, if JB and the driver are both telling the truth, then SG would have had to have shown up at JB's around 4 am., stayed for an hour, called 911 at 4:51 , then seen her driver come into the house and bolted straight to GC's. That's the only way both stories could possibly be true. And if we are to buy both stories, where was SG when she was making all these earlier calls to MP? Just wandering the neighborhood?

It's ridiculous. Can't believe either one of these guys, imo. They are BOTH full of spit.

ETA: Also, the last person GC sees is the asian man riding around looking for SG. This fits the description of her driver. So if she was on the phone to 911 when pulled into a vehicle, it had to be his vehicle she was pulled into. The call was only 24 minutes...in 24 minutes we're to believe she called 911 from JB's, was there long enough for her driver to show up, bolted to the neighbors houses, finally found GC who opened the door, spoke with coletti, ran from there, was chased by her driver, but then met some stranger on the way that pulled her into his vehicle. All in the course of 24 minutes.

NO WAY!

 

[twocuriouscats]

Hi all,

I haven't cought up with the threads yet but I wanted to throw this out:

I have read a couple of reports that LE was looking at "clam fisherman" (my words!), and that the bodies could have been dumped from the bay side...

Also, I hate to say it, but Rifkin thought it might be a "landscaper" or "fisherman"

Back to the burlap I think...

Have to go now (darn it, we were just about to solve this! haha JK):innocent:



Can any locals speak to this? TIA

 

[Mountain_Kat]

<rsbm>

I remember that too, so seems a few of us are losing it Seriously, i know it was said, just can't find it either.

How could SG have been at JB's on the 911 call, then pulled into a vehicle while on the call, phone goes dead, then she somehow shows up on foot at GC's door? OR, was she still on the 911 call while at GC's, runs and Asian guy finds her and she is pulled into the vehicle at that point and 911 call ends?

Has to be the later, but even that doesn't add up. The 911 call was logged at 4:51, Colletti says she showed up at his door around 4:45. Now, he could have been off by 5 minutes or so, but if we are to believe the driver and JB, then GC would have had to have been off by quite a bit more than a few minutes, I would think.

 

[tlcya]

Okay, this could be part of the confusion. In one of the initial interviews done with SG's mother and sister at the link below they discuss the 911 call that lasted 23 minutes. They describe the call and at one point in the interview (around the 2:04 mark) SG's sister describes that during the 911 call she was running around knocking on doors speaking to neighbors saying that a person was trying to kill her etc.

Still haven't found anything stating directly that she had her phone and was on it when she spoke the male mentioned upthread.

lol ETA link http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/northern_suburbs&id=7843812

 

[MrsPC]

I'm thinking the CVS call since it was only 1 min was possibly a misdial.

I think I'll do reverse phone searches for numbers (changing the last number)

 

[MrsPC]

there are actually several CVS...not sure which is the closest

204 Great East Neck Rd - W Babylon
460 Montauk Hwy - W Islip
15 W Main - E Islip
63 W Main - E Islip
876 Connetquot - Islip Ter

 

[Mountain_Kat]

there are actually several CVS...not sure which is the closest

204 Great East Neck Rd - W Babylon
460 Montauk Hwy - W Islip
15 W Main - E Islip
63 W Main - E Islip
876 Connetquot - Islip Ter

The call was to the CVS on Montauk Hwy.

 

[Filly]

I'm thinking the CVS call since it was only 1 min was possibly a misdial.

I think I'll do reverse phone searches for numbers (changing the last number)

That's good thinking. Sometimes it's also the first number after the exchange they misdial. I get called to rent U-Hauls alot or put someone's braces on. They mess up the number after the exchange.

I'll help tomorrow if you don't come up with any information, Mrs.PC.

 

[dcgrumpy]

The call was to the CVS on Montauk Hwy.

and that's definitely the closest

I think I'll do reverse phone searches for numbers (changing the last number)

I tried playing with the numbers but quickly gave up. I could just keep going on forever

 

[Mountain_Kat]

We know that LE showed up shortly after SG disappeared. They had to have spoken to JB then, right? I can't imagine that they wouldn't have immediately taken his statement. But does anyone recall if they questioned her driver immediately after they arrived on scene? Or was he already gone? I can't find anything at all that clarifies this point for me. I know that the driver did leave that morning, but did he leave BEFORE he was questioned?

 

[dcgrumpy]

We know that LE showed up shortly after SG disappeared. They had to have spoken to JB then, right? I can't imagine that they wouldn't have immediately taken his statement. But does anyone recall if they questioned her driver immediately after they arrived on scene? Or was he already gone? I can't find anything at all that clarifies this point for me. I know that the driver did leave that morning, but did he leave BEFORE he was questioned?

According to the livechat that Newsday had he did stay behind. But I have no idea how reliable that information is http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...d=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

Question: Has the second home approx. five miles from Oak Beach and the multiple vehicles been searched of the guy who Shannan was originally seen running from? Has the car she ran from w/ her driver been located has he been questioned? I'm sure there is plenty of things we aren't supposed to know yet & the police are working hard but these are my questions...
Thursday April 14, 2011 12:06

AS: Yes, Gilbert's driver stayed in Oak Beach after she went missing, and spoke with police then and later.
Thursday April 14, 2011 12:07

AS: He said he helped look for her, but left alone after she did not turn up.
Thursday April 14, 2011 12:07

 

[truthspider]

Hi all,

I haven't cought up with the threads yet but I wanted to throw this out:

I have read a couple of reports that LE was looking at "clam fisherman" (my words!), and that the bodies could have been dumped from the bay side...

Also, I hate to say it, but Rifkin thought it might be a "landscaper" or "fisherman"

Back to the burlap I think...

Have to go now (darn it, we were just about to solve this! haha JK):innocent:



Can any locals speak to this? TIA

It is possible that the bodies were dumped by boat, anything is possible.

It was something i suspected in the beginning but am not 100% on. The maps that exist showing where the bodies were (if they are precise points that is) shows them being on the north side of the thick thick brush where the tall mangle of thorns end and the grass/marsh begins AND they seem to be lined up at the top of the "mosquito canals" (thanks mom)
which would point to the idea that they were transported via small vessel (zodiac, kayak, small motor boat etc.

I'm not sure of the size of the canals on Jones Island, or if a ~25' boat could sneak up one during high tide.

either way, unless there are deer trails cutting a path through the brush from roadside to shoreline...My experience is that you really would not be able to machete your way through overhead high thorns, poison ivy, etc. while carrying much of anything. (I've landscaped on fireisland, its a ****ing nightmare! barbwire like walls of thorns full of ivy and lymes disease carrying ticks)

A boat would make it much easier, that being said, almost everybody in that area prolly has a boat or access to one, so I don't think it's absolutely crucial to know if they got there by boat or not in determining who the sk is.

some sleuther wanna check the dates against the moon? significantly higher tides around full moon might allow decent boat to squeeze up one of those canals. I have already checked marine maps and it seems that the narrow canals could handle smaller boats.

Something else to consider is that you are far far far less likely to be pulled over or caught doing anything while driving a boat, than while driving a car. So in my opinion if the SK has a boat and a car, and doesn't want to be caught, he would be smart to use the boat. (and no, it isn't wise to dump a body in the water, they would float up and be seen by someone.) hmmm. I wonder if Hyde's 'Canyon Explorer' is docked at his personal home or the house he runs his practice from.... sleuthers? can we see a dock or boat+trailer at either address?

I would bet my life savings that our SK is not a clammer, if anything it's a sad attempt from this *wanna be dexter* SK trying to make it look like a clammer. clammers don't need 100 lb little girls as prey, they could choke out a lion with one hand and even the dumbest clammer wouldn't kill someone, put them in burlap, and place them on the shoreline near where they work that woule be like me killing someone and sticking them at MY desk in MY office wearing MY shoes.
No one would slip out of a clammers death grip and be able to run and make 911 calls, I bet a small woman could slip out of some slobbingly 50+ year old prescrip pill popper's butterfingers though.

and rifkin is a moron let's not care about anything he says... and yes I will eat my words (or a dozen raw bay clams) if this SK turns out to be either a landscaper or clammer.

damm.. all this rambling just made me think that someone's boat would be a perfect place to toy with your drug induced victim or dead body. better than any house or hotel, boats get washed off clean in the rain, or when cleaned, have compartments for large catch, drainage, and if your boat was covered with blood, it wouldnt raise an eyebrow, you were fishing, a perfect excuse to be away for 24 hours in complete isolation with your victim with no real worry of being caught or seen by anyone... all of these cases were between may 1 and sept 30th werent they?
hmmmm I wonder if Hyde went fishing later that weekend but felt it too risky for the normal drop off.
canyon explorer... must do more sleuthing..

 

[goathairjones]

For those who are confused, New York has a different system of political subdivisions than other parts of the country. Each county is divided into Cities and Towns (or townships). All land in a county falls into either a City or a Town. Suffolk County has no cities so the county is divided into "Towns" which include settled area and open space. We are primarily interested in the Towns of Babylon and Islip.
Within "towns" there can be Villages, which are settled areas that are organized municipalities that provide various services. Within Towns there can be "Hamlets" that are nothing more than names people call the area. Hamlets have no legal status; all services are provided by the Township.

It is possible for a Hamlet or Village to fall within two towns. In the Towns we are primarily interested in, the Hamlet of West Islip is partly in Babylon and partly in Islip. There is a Village of Babylon in the Town of Babylon and a Village of Islip in the Town of Islip. This sometimes causes confusion. It is not always clear whether the Town or Village is being referred to.

Because Hamlets have no "official" boundaries, there is often no general agreement on "name" to call a specific area. Neighbors may use different names to describe where they live.

The CVS in question appears to be on the Montauk Hwy, in the Hamlet of West Islip, in the Township of Babylon but they appear to refer to the store as the as the "Oak Beach" CVS.

Kemo,

West Islip in ENTIRELY in the Town of Islip! There is not any part of West Islip that is in the Town of Babylon! West Islip starts at Rt 231 and continues east, as does the Town of Islip. West of Rt 231 is the Village of Babylon which is in the Town of Babylon.

The only thing "Babylon" that are associated with West Islip are the phone exchanges (422 and 669). Other than that, everything else about West Islip is associated with the Town of Islip.

 

[Reannan]

I called the number to the 460 Montauk Hwy - W Islip CVS. Here is what happens when you make that call:

"Thank You for calling CVS comments.... We Are Open 24 Hours....
Press 1 if you are calling for a refill
Press 2 if you are a Physician
Press 3 if you are a Pharmacy
Press 4 if you have a Non-Pharmacy Question
You Can Stay On the Line if you Have a Non-Pharmacy question"

I actually stayed on the line and it was answered fairly quickly. I explained to the very nice lady that I might be traveling to the area in the next month with an elderly relative and we might need a prescription filled at an odd hour, would that be possible? Answer: "Yes - they are open 24 hours with a pharmacist there 24/7".

I then called back and went through the automated options and timed it - it takes a minimum of 26 seconds to get through the options and make a choice.....or stay on the line for someone. The call from SG's phone to the pharmacy lasted less than or equal to 1 minute, so that would have left SG or whoever made that call, about 36 seconds to connect and say anything to anyone. That is not enough time to order drugs, speak with a pharmacist about an overdose, order viagra, or condoms. The call was either a misdial, or they were interrupted while making the call. In less than one minute after the call to the CVS, the phone of SG begins to call MP and there is a flurry of calls between them that last for about 15 minutes. During this 15 minute time period, MP actually calls SG's phone back on two occasions with each call back to her phone lasting less than 3 minutes, and less than 1 minute respectively. After this flurry of call's, there is about a 52 minute lull before SG tries to call MP again. The call last less than one minute, and then there is another lull of 42 minutes before SG calls 911. The 911 call lasted for 23 minutes. What happened during the 54 minute period between the last two calls to MP? And then, what happened during the next 42 minutes between the last call to MP and the 911 call? I have tried to analyze the time between calls, and the length of calls.. I hope my next post will work because I am going to try and attach the Excel spreadsheet with my analysis.

 

[Reannan]

I hope this works.... It is an Excel spreadsheet with columns defined as follows: "Date of call/Time of call/Time Before Last Call/Source Called/Length of Call/Person Called/Significance of Call"

I have tried to take the "Length of Call" and substract it from the "Time Before Last Call" to ascertain how long the call actually lasted, and then how long it was before another call was made. I truly believe some of the "flurries" of calls to MP were missed calls where she got his voice mail or just hung up and immediately tried him again. Anyways.... I hope the attachment of my spreadsheet works.