Missed all of yesterday's discussion. Pasting a response here from previous thread.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
It is true that not all adulterers commit murder;
Yes, I would imagine it is a very small percentage. Way less than 1%.
You snipped my post. My full post said, "It is true that not all adulterers commit murder; however, most men who murder their wives have also committed adultery."
I posted this as a baseline for how Michelle was valued and treated by JY. I believe that if JY had been a faithful, loving husband, then Michelle would still be alive.
JY's infidelity fits the beginning of a profile of a husband who murders his wife.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
It has been said that the security camera didn't show JY unplugging it or shoving it up; however, the security camera didn't show anyone unplugging it or shoving it up. That leaves the question, who was staying in the HI on Nov. 2, 2006 who needed the security camera unplugged at 11:20 pm and shoved up towards the ceiling at 6:35am the next morning?
Where are you getting these times? 6:35? 11:20?
Testimony.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why was JY's shirt that he was seen wearing on the security camera at the front desk at midnight not in his luggage or in his vehicle the next evening? Clothing does not just disappear without a reason, and I cannot think of a logical reason for the shirt to be missing other than he threw it away.
I agree
The missing shirt is crucial.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
How did a pair of Hush Puppy shoes with a unique sole just happen to be found in blood at the crime scene? A pair of HP with a unique sole that JY just happened to have owned.
How unique are these soles? I've seen no data to back this up. How many shoes were sold in the US that had this sole?
Testimony yesterday showed that only 165 HP Orbitals had been made. When one includes the Sealys and the Bellevilles that had the same sole as the Orbitals which were only sold to small businesses, we may be looking at 2,000-4,000 shoes (sold in the US and abroad) that were ever made that fit the shoe print left at the scene. These are not good odds for JY.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why would a man staying at the HI on the 4th floor leave his valuables unsecured twice to go downstairs because he worried about disturbing his neighbors by shutting his room door? Why would a man go downstairs twice and prop open an exit door because that was more convenient than carrying his keycard with him?
Great question. I didn't buy JY's testimony that he didn't want to wake up neighbors. He admitted that there was no force/spring in the door and it actually stayed open without using anything to keep it from closing. Why leave your keycard in room for a trip downstairs to smoke.
And leave the door unsecured to get the computer charger. It just defies logic that JY left his valuables unsecured twice rather than close the door and take his keycard with him.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why was there no forced entry into the home?
Maybe someone rushed MY while she was outside. Got in through garage?
I think evidence shows that Michelle was in bed. Evidence doesn't show that an attack happened anywhere else in the house. Her work papers being scattered about seem to support this.
Also, nothing seems to indicate that a struggle occurred downstairs or any where upstairs besides the master bedroom.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why was a pregnant woman beaten 30 times to her and her unborn son's death, yet her 2 1/2 year old daughter who witnessed part of the crime was cleaned up, cared for, and left alive?
Many murderers draw the line at kids. Speaking of cleaned up.... If, JY cleaned up CY, she would have been left alone in house from 3-3:30am to 1:30pm. Give me a reason for anyone to clean up kid. I assume whomever killed MY assumed kid would just get dirty again being left at crime scene. There must be another explanation for her cleanliness.
I believe that CY was cleaned up because the killer had feelings of attachment towards her. No stranger would have taken the time to clean her up, much less leave her alive.
I believed she was drugged for a great deal of the time she was left alone with her mother's body.
There was adult Tylenol, Pancof PD, and a dropper found in CY's bedroom that still had red liquid in it. The dropper had CY's DNA on it, the dropper tested positive for the adult Tylenol and Pancof PD, and there were no fingerprints on the dropper to identify who gave her the medicine.
If a parent gave her the medicine under non-suspicious circumstances, their fingerprints would have been found on the dropper.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why was Michelle's purse that was sitting out in the open not stolen, but a wallet with $500 in it that was hidden in JY's closet was stolen? Why was JY's closet gone through, but Michelle's was left untouched?
I thought both were found to be not in their normal condition. Where is this testimony?
Michelle's purse was not plundered. The best I can tell is that it may have fallen off the counter.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why was the house not ransacked?
No idea. If it was, would this help JY??? If he was the master murder planner, wouldn't he try to make the scene look like a robbery?
Yes, it would help JY. Due to the timeline, it would have helped JY if the house had been completely gone through (downstairs and upstairs) - this takes time. Also, if 2 or 3 TVs, a DVD player, the home computer, their camera, the entire jewelry box, and other valuables had been taken, he would have had less opportunity to load it up and then dispose of it before returning to the HI.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why didn't the dog that stayed in the house go after the "stranger" who murdered Michelle?
Some dogs are not wired this way.
Maybe. It just seems unlikely that the dog would have been unresponsive to such a brutal attack.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why does the timeline of JY stopping at Four Brothers in King fit perfectly?
Good question
I am not usually a big fan of stranger on stranger identification, but it is interesting that the time line fits perfectly.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why did no cameras record JY going towards the breakfast area on Friday morning?
Why does this matter? If you believe JY is guilty, you must believe he made it back to the hotel to push up camera.
This matters because I believe JY lied about this. If he went to the breakfast area, he should have been caught on the security camera coming down the hallway. He wasn't. Why would someone lie about their activities unless it's to cover up for something?
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why was the last person JY talked to before the murder and the second person (behind trying to reach his mom) he talked to after the murder MM?
Not sure why this is relevant. He spoke to MM what, 400 times in this timeframe?? Chance were good that he spoke to her before and after murder.
The relevance to me is that I believe that MM knew before or after the fact what happened to Michelle. This is my opinion only. To me she seems as much as a sociopath as JY.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why did JY print off the MapQuest directions and the Coach purse from Ebay at around the same time and remembered to get one but forgot the other?
No idea. Not sure this helps pros in any way though.
I believe this helps the prosecution because there is not a reasonable answer as to why he would remember one and not the other. He left the Coach printout at the house as a means for MF to find CY.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why was JY so persistent about getting MF over to his house to pick up the Coach purse printout? He called twice and left messages, and he had his mom call once and leave a message.
Well if you believe JY its because he wanted to surprise his wife with the bag. In one of the messages he mentioned that if MF couldn't get over it was not a huge deal. If you think he's guilty its because he loved his daughter enough to get her out of there, but not much as if this were the case wouldn't he try to get his daughter out of there before noon-1:30?
If it wasn't a big deal, then why call MF twice and have your mother call her once? I believe he set this up to make sure CY was found.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why didn't JY answer his MIL's 4 phone calls within the space of an hour when cell phone records show that he retrieved the two messages she left him? Why didn't he return those calls?
No idea.
JY couldn't talk to or face his MIL because he knew that LF saw through his BS.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
When JY arrived at his mother's home and his stepfather gave him the news about Michelle's death, why did JY fall "plumb to his knees?" No surprise, no denial, no insisting that they must have gotten the news wrong. Just immediate acceptance. Remember that when LF found out, she was so shocked she couldn't even cry because she couldn't accept it yet.
Sure, because we all react exactly the same to news of our spouse's death.
I do not believe that upon hearing shocking news that anyone automatically accepts it. The brain doesn't work that way.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why didn't JY help LE at all even with his lawyer present?
No one knows. Was he advised?
If he were innocent, he should have helped LE in anyway that he could have. I love my spouse, and that's what I would do, especially in this "CSI World" where we all know the spouse or significant other is the first suspect.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why didn't JY take a polygraph exam to clear himself with LE? MF did.
No one knows, was he advised? Have you ever taken a polygraph? Do you even know what it measures? How easy it is to cheat? Get false readings?
Yes, I had to take one at work one time along with many others. I passed with flying colors because I was telling the truth.
MF took one and passed it.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why didn't JY keep custody of his daughter and allow MF and LF visitation?
No idea. Was he advised to wait to pursue custody after criminal trial?
JY let his child go because it was in his best interest not to answer questions on the record. Same reason he never went after the 1MM life insurance policy.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why didn't JY ever offer an award leading to the arrest of conviction of Michelle's killer(s)? Her place of employment did 9 months later; I guess they figured JY wasn't ever going to.
Good question
JY never seemed the least bit concerned that the killer(s) were out wandering loose, and he never seemed the least bit concerned that the killer(s) of his wife and unborn son was/were brought to justice.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
Why did JY testify that he was working on his marriage when in fact he was having two affairs?
Because he was a pig?
A pig has multiple affairs. A sociopath claims he was working on his marriage while having multiple affairs.
Originally Posted by tarheel8600
This is an open and shut case for me. JY has done everything in his power to make himself look guilty.
Just not seeing it. There are definitely some points here that make it very possible JY did it and is guilty.. There is also some evidence that makes it very possible he is innocent.
I'm not seeing any evidence that makes it possible that JY is anything but guilty.
My original posts in italics. Your responses to my original posts in red. My responses to you in blue.
I hope this isn't confusing, but I wanted to respond to your concerns and opinions.
