Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 26

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They most certainly do not.

exactly...if their good enough for other suspects to be questioned, arrested and tried, then their good enough for the McCann's also.

I never understood why the British Government didn't do a darn thing after they went back to Britain, all along knowing that two of their best dogs (British Dogs who get certified every year at the Body farm in TN) found traces of blood and of a cadaver.

IMO, it's a cover up.
 
IMO it's a cover up too.
There's forums that have followed this case right from day one, some of the posters being in Portugal. There's too many inconsistancies and 'heads together' by the Tapas 9 to provide timelines etc.
The Smith sighting where Mr Smith says he's 80-90% sure he saw Gerry carrying Maddy that night in the direction of the beach was overlooked too quickly and pushed aside by the MCanns. The phone records that the PJ said proved beyond doubt the parents were responsible were not allowed into play by the British government.The fund which Gerry was making plans for the 1st year anniversary just a couple of weeks after Maddy vanished was a bit of a giveaway too IMO.
There's a whitewash going on but why ? I don't know.
The Portugese wont open the case IMO because why spend more money when they are satisfied that they know who was responsible. The only hope is that somebody grows a pair and fesses up but I wont hold my breath.

Some reading here http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t20102-madeleine-mccann-is-not-likely-alive
 
Agreed Robin Hood.
All very good points that should have been plenty to put the McCann's on trial.

MO

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I have also wondered why Gerry had to come back to the UK for Maddy's pillow to obtain her DNA, I wonder if it's because the apartment was thoroughly cleaned in PDL there wasn't any left.
 
wow the forum is back up and three years since I last posted and 5 years since Madeleine went missing - and we are still no closer to knowing what happened.

It is interesting that the case is still front page news here in the UK with the UK police doing a cold case reveiw and a lot of things coming out in the press abouit the original investigation.
My personal view point still remains the same - i dont think the parents were involved in her dissappearance - I still think everything points to abduction. - Is Maddy still alive - not sure - I doubt it - but until we find a body or remains or proof that she was killed then we will never know.

Alot has happened since then though - we even have a contempt of court case taking place next week with one of the main vocal spokesman who campaigned against the mccanns

Totally agree! Since even with all the lies and obstruction by the local LE they STILL couldn't fabricate a case against the McCanns, it's nice to know the private investigations are still moving forward.

I never understood why the British Government didn't do a darn thing after they went back to Britain, all along knowing that two of their best dogs (British Dogs who get certified every year at the Body farm in TN) found traces of blood and of a cadaver.

Because they didn't think it was conclusive. Traces of blood in a hotel room? I'd be more surprised if they could find a hotel room in which there was NOT any blood, shaving nicks, scraped knees, etc. And they also didn't find the cadaver dog results convincing. There hasn't been any convincing evidence, which is why they didn't proceed with it.
 
Totally agree! Since even with all the lies and obstruction by the local LE they STILL couldn't fabricate a case against the McCanns, it's nice to know the private investigations are still moving forward.



Because they didn't think it was conclusive. Traces of blood in a hotel room? I'd be more surprised if they could find a hotel room in which there was NOT any blood, shaving nicks, scraped knees, etc. And they also didn't find the cadaver dog results convincing. There hasn't been any convincing evidence, which is why they didn't proceed with it.

Traces of blood behind the sofa and a cadaver dog hit there also and u suggest its from shaving?

Look the local police sent those traces back to the British lab and guess who interpreted the findings? The British.

They should have sent the findings to the US a third party.

So with 2 dog hits and plenty of edvidence they go free when even some British police stated in Britain they needed much less to arrest.

All a coverup IMO.

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Still five years later going through the same arguments about blood on the wall or under a tile

If the portugese could have found the evidence they would have prosecuted - they had them in custody - but that was the thing they couldnt find any evidence - and you do have to have evidence before you prosecute - and remember this was not a british case it was a Portugese one .

Anyway I do think it has moved on since then , it is ive years and I think whatever side of the fence you are on all we want is to find out what happened .​
 
Still five years later going through the same arguments about blood on the wall or under a tile

If the portugese could have found the evidence they would have prosecuted - they had them in custody - but that was the thing they couldnt find any evidence - and you do have to have evidence before you prosecute - and remember this was not a british case it was a Portugese one .

Anyway I do think it has moved on since then , it is ive years and I think whatever side of the fence you are on all we want is to find out what happened .​

no, not just blood, a cadaver dog hit also, and when analyzed, it had 15 of the 19 markers of Maddie's DNA....I'd say it was Maddie there behind that sofa.

Portugal police could have arrested the parents, they just chose to let them leave for Britain.
 
no, not just blood, a cadaver dog hit also, and when analyzed, it had 15 of the 19 markers of Maddie's DNA....I'd say it was Maddie there behind that sofa.

i've never heard this before... do you have an link so i can read more? thanks!
 
i've never heard this before... do you have an link so i can read more? thanks!


sure from "The Truth of the Lie"

Chapter 18 - Preliminary Results. Preparation For The Interrogations

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion....ry-results-preparation-for-the-interrogations

In the first case, the laboratory considers that the result of the analysis is inconclusive because the samples gathered provide very little information when the DNA comes from more than one person. But all the confirmed DNA components match with the corresponding components in Madeleine’s DNA profile!.

As for the second case, after an explanation about the DNA components in Madeleine's genetic profile, it concludes that 15 out of 19 markers in Madeleine's profile are present in the sample examined. Only 4 short of 100% reliability. The FSS specialists qualify the results as, "complex," and state that these 15 markers are not enough to conclude with certainty that it's definitely Madeleine's DNA profile, especially as Low Copy Number picked out a total of 37 in the sample. That means that at least three individuals contributed to this result.

But there was more in this first preliminary report. In the same report, the scientist went further and explained that in the profiles of many of the lab experts, elements from the DNA profile of Madeleine are present. This means that a major part of the DNA profile of any given person can be built by three donors. That is understandable. Two questions arose immediately. The first one: what good is a DNA profile in terms of criminal evidence, if it can be the combination of three or more donors? Another question was simple: why did the DNA profile from those three donors contribute to Madeleine’s DNA profile and not to that of any other person, like the scientist who carried out the test? But the surprises from the preliminary reports were not to end there.


On the very day that interrogation of the McCann couple starts, a second preliminary report reaches us. Contrary to the first report, it accords more importance to the DNA profile of the blood lifted from the floor of the apartment. In that sample, the DNA came from more than one donor, but the confirmed DNA components match the corresponding components of Madeleine's DNA profile.

As for the samples lifted from the boot of the car, there is no further mention of the 15 markers, as if they had never existed.

Suddenly, light was starting to be cast on the issue:either this LCN technique is not reliable or it's simply much easier to explain the presence of Madeleine's DNA in the apartment than in the boot of a car hired 24 days after her disappearance.
 
Why would u ask that?
Just curious.

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Because inquiring minds want to know. It is always good to know where information is coming from and who is putting it out. Otherwise how will you be able to determine it's reliability?

Salem
 
Because inquiring minds want to know. It is always good to know where information is coming from and who is putting it out. Otherwise how will you be able to determine it's reliability?

Salem

in that case, I believe the website is run by those who believe the McCann's r guilty. That's just MO, but reading the forums, they all seem to think their guilty.


as do I.
 
Is it just a group of people or is it anyone in particular? Not so much concerned about their position as I am about who they are and where their info is coming from. Any ideas on that?

I'll try to take a look later......

Salem
 
Most of the posters on that forum IIRC have followed the M.M. case since it broke. Some of the posters have been key in translating the Portugese news, they are usually precise on their findings. It's worth a read.
 
thanks salem!

exactly! all about credibility.

i don't see links to any mainstream media articles or news sites so that concerns me... if information cannot be verified as being "truth", one shouldn't take it as being true. i've scanned that site a few times now and cannot find any info where the info is coming from... if there are credible links i've missed, please bring them forth. thanks.

(actually i'm not even sure that link can be used here... as it's not an MSM source...)
 
thanks salem!

exactly! all about credibility.

i don't see links to any mainstream media articles or news sites so that concerns me... if information cannot be verified as being "truth", one shouldn't take it as being true. i've scanned that site a few times now and cannot find any info where the info is coming from... if there are credible links i've missed, please bring them forth. thanks.

(actually i'm not even sure that link can be used here... as it's not an MSM source...)


the 15 of 19 markers comes right from the chief investigators book, so I think it's even better than an MSM link.
 
will you so kindly provide a link to this info with the book credited as a source then? thanks!
 
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