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[nursebeeme]

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timeline and media *no discussion* thread


Links to live media coverage:


http://www.kpho.com/
http://www.azfamily.com/
http://www.hlntv.com/shows/insession
https://www.facebook.com/InSession
https://twitter.com/InSession
https://twitter.com/search?q=#jodiarias&src=typd
https://twitter.com/WildaboutTrial2

timeline by poster rmt:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Ak0vUAK8UbSndFl4X1V3YkZXazU0X25pQndhNVVmbXc&output=html


POLL Thread

COURT DOCKET (click case history and enter Jodi Arias)


ask your legal questions here and our verified attorneys will give an answer:

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Websleuths chat:
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discuss the receipts and checks here:
Arias Trial; Compare the receipts and the monetary transactions - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

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[video=youtube;Q07NxRGYfSg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q07NxRGYfSg[/video]

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Travis Victor Alexander
July 28, 1977 - June 4, 2008
http://i46.tinypic.com/96kyhj.png

Summary of case and key dates:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2387245.html
Crime Scene Photographs:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2412031.html
Detective's Investigative Report:
http://grahamwinch.files.wordpress.c...tionreport.pdf
Autopsy Report:
http://cnninsession.files.wordpress....visautopsy.pdf


BLOGS AND MYSPACE
Travis' blog: http://travisalexander.blogspot.com/
Travis' myspace: http://www.myspace.com/tvalexander
Defendants' blog: http://jodiarias.blogspot.com/
Defendants' myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jodiarias
Defendants' other myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jfineart

WS MEMBER RMT's TIMELINE
https://sites.google.com/site/jodiariastrial/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hNVVmbXc&gid=0

MARICOPA COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT
Jodi Ann Arias DOB 7/1980
Public Access to Criminal Court Case Information
Case History, Case# CR2008-031021
Criminal Court Case History
Minute Entries, Case# CR2008031021
Clerk of the Superior Court Minute Entries

MEDIA COVERAGE
ABC15 Jodi Arias Murder Trial
ABCNews Jodi Arias
CBSNews Crimesider
CNN (HLN) show transcripts
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KPHO Jodi Arias

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TRIAL LIVE STREAMING
Trial starts at 10:30am MST (GMT -7:00) (12:30pm EST)
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http://www.azcentral.com/live/?event...di-arias-trial
http://www.kpho.com/category/224303/...live-streaming
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/20...al-livestream/
http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/jodi-arias-live-stream.html

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[nursebeeme]

The only discussion allowed regarding books written by ALV should be about content only and how it pertains to this case.

Anyone even suggesting an organized effort to leave bad reviews or ruin this woman's business will suffer a loss of posting privileges, if not their Websleuths membership.

We're better than this folks, so do not go there. If you've made posts even responding to this sort of an effort, please go back and delete your posts.

:tos:

 

[SoSueMe]

Members, please read this article from USA Today and you will realize why we've had to be so strict on the name calling and disparaging remarks of the defense team's witnesses.

Could it be construed as witness intimidation? Regardless of the argument for or against free speech, Websleuths will not be responsible for giving the appearance of any organized effort to intimidate or tamper with any witness during any trial.

We ask that you please post responsibly.

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[SoSueMe]

We are allowing the link to the articles about cyberstalking and witness intimidation so that you may see the severity of the problem we're facing.

This is NOT an open invitation to express your views on the matter one way or the other.

If you have made disparaging remarks about the defense team or their witnesses, go back and delete your comments or alert the post and ask that a moderator delete it for you.

In the past week, we've been issuing 24-timeouts for name calling and disparaging remarks. Future timeouts for this type of violation will be extended to include at least 3 days of trial coverage.

Please check your posts now.

Thank you.

 

[nursebeeme]

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[nursebeeme]

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[zoozoo]

Just can across this regarding characteristics of women who are abusers from the following website:

http://www.heart-2-heart.ca/men/men-relationship-warning-signs.php

Were you the 'love of her 'life', her 'soulmate' or new best friend within weeks?
Was she initially charming, saying all the right things, "mirroring" your hopes, desires, and feelings?
Is she jealous and possessive?
Does she have few friends or long-term relationships?
Multiple failed relationships?
Does she badmouth her ex or other friends?
Does she tell lies, big and small?
Does the relationship veer from hot to cold? Does she "Jekyll and Hyde"?
Does she have an unstable work history, frequent unemployment or job changes?
Do you find yourself "covering" for her, making her appear better than she really is?
Does she have constant financial problems?
Are people mad at her because she doesn't honor her debts?
Does she have a lack of realistic goals? A history of living off others?
Is she comfortable taking money from you?
Has she ever used your credit cards without your knowledge?
Does she make you feel guilty about your outside interests, time spent with friends or family?
Does she make you feel you're not good enough, that you're lucky to have her?
Has she ever humiliated you in public?
Does she withdraw love, friendship or approval as punishment?
Does she have a bad temper triggered by something seemingly insignificant? Do you often not even know what set her off?
Does she always shift blame onto you? Is whatever's wrong always your fault?
After raging, does she act like nothing at all has happened?
Do you ever feel "smothered" by her?
Does she ever threaten, hit or shove you, punch walls, break your things or call you names?
Is she always on the "outs" with someone?
Does she pressure you to quit or change jobs/friends/relationships/homes?
Does she have problems with authority figures?
Has she stalked anyone for any reason whatsoever?
Has she had Restraining Orders placed on her?
Is your self-esteem eroding?
Do you sometimes feel you're the crazy one?
Is the relationship affecting other aspects of your life?
Do you have a gut, "sick" sense that things just aren't right?
Do you sometimes wish it would just all "go away"?

It is frightening how many of these warning signs seemed to be present With regards to JA. Travis was just beginning to see them and extricate himself. So sad.

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

Excellent information! TY for posting that. Something any Mom or Dad with a son needs to know!

 

[rose222]

Hello all!

I cannot wait for Monday! I don't think anyone can take ALV seriously after she said 'NO' to the question about JA being the greatest perpetrator. Name-calling (the only physical proof we have of not-so-nice behaviour towards JA) without the context (She deserved much more than name calling for being so evil!) is worse than almost 30 stab wounds, throat cut from ear to ear and a gun shot to the head. That tells me all I need to know about ALV. I won't say anything further about her character that will get me a time-out!

 

[rose222]

ALV's reasoning:

JA only manipulated her mother and that too as a teenager so it doesn't make her a manipulator. I need a pattern.
JA only murdered Travis once so it doesn't make her a criminal. I need a pattern
JA only lied about murdering Travis so it doesn't make her a liar. I need a pattern.
JA, as an adult, only manipulated men after the trauma (murder) so it doesn't make her an manipulator. I need a pattern.
JA only sent hidden messages once from jail. I need a pattern.
JA only lied about the pedophilia and physical abuse claims. I need a pattern.

 

[nursebeeme]

reminder: no sexual jokes or bathroom humor.. this is just a public service announcement :wink:

 

[SunnyinMO]

I don't even 'think' about what I really think about some persons in this trial if I am on WS...I am sure some of the MODS can read minds...:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[perfectvirgo]

Hello all!

I cannot wait for Monday! I don't think anyone can take ALV seriously after she said 'NO' to the question about JA being the greatest perpetrator. Name-calling (the only physical proof we have of not-so-nice behaviour towards JA) without the context (She deserved much more than name calling for being so evil!) is worse than almost 30 stab wounds, throat cut from ear to ear and a gun shot to the head. That tells me all I need to know about ALV. I won't say anything further about her character that will get me a time-out!

And don't forget "someone who lies is not a liar!"

 

[kaki]

ALV's reasoning:

JA only manipulated her mother and that too as a teenager so it doesn't make her a manipulator. I need a pattern.
JA only murdered Travis once so it doesn't make her a criminal. I need a pattern
JA only lied about murdering Travis so it doesn't make her a liar. I need a pattern.
JA, as an adult, only manipulated men after the trauma (murder) so it doesn't make her an manipulator. I need a pattern.
JA only sent hidden messages once from jail. I need a pattern.
JA only lied about the pedophilia and physical abuse claims. I need a pattern.

She is so obtuse...its infuriating! :what:

The way the judge tells her its a yes or no answer...and then after clarifying its a yes or no only answer...then she proceeds to answer...well...blah blah blah..pattern..blah blah..travis is mean..blah blah... Thousands of documents and texts...blah blah blah.. :banghead:

Why does she get away with this?

 

[nursebeeme]

texasjan has added more transcripts to the interrogation transcript thread for those interested! Thank you txjan! :rocker:

TRANSCRIPTS of the Interrogation Videos of Jodi Arias - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
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[josie1986]

Just can across this regarding characteristics of women who are abusers from the following website:

http://www.heart-2-heart.ca/men/men-relationship-warning-signs.php

Were you the 'love of her 'life', her 'soulmate' or new best friend within weeks?
Was she initially charming, saying all the right things, "mirroring" your hopes, desires, and feelings?
Is she jealous and possessive?
Does she have few friends or long-term relationships?
Multiple failed relationships?
Does she badmouth her ex or other friends?
Does she tell lies, big and small?
Does the relationship veer from hot to cold? Does she "Jekyll and Hyde"?
Does she have an unstable work history, frequent unemployment or job changes?
Do you find yourself "covering" for her, making her appear better than she really is?
Does she have constant financial problems?
Are people mad at her because she doesn't honor her debts?
Does she have a lack of realistic goals? A history of living off others?
Is she comfortable taking money from you?
Has she ever used your credit cards without your knowledge?
Does she make you feel guilty about your outside interests, time spent with friends or family?
Does she make you feel you're not good enough, that you're lucky to have her?
Has she ever humiliated you in public?
Does she withdraw love, friendship or approval as punishment?
Does she have a bad temper triggered by something seemingly insignificant? Do you often not even know what set her off?
Does she always shift blame onto you? Is whatever's wrong always your fault?
After raging, does she act like nothing at all has happened?
Do you ever feel "smothered" by her?
Does she ever threaten, hit or shove you, punch walls, break your things or call you names?
Is she always on the "outs" with someone?
Does she pressure you to quit or change jobs/friends/relationships/homes?
Does she have problems with authority figures?
Has she stalked anyone for any reason whatsoever?
Has she had Restraining Orders placed on her?
Is your self-esteem eroding?
Do you sometimes feel you're the crazy one?
Is the relationship affecting other aspects of your life?
Do you have a gut, "sick" sense that things just aren't right?
Do you sometimes wish it would just all "go away"?

It is frightening how many of these warning signs seemed to be present With regards to JA. Travis was just beginning to see them and extricate himself. So sad.

so so many to those apply to JA
how could ALV not see it :facepalm:

 

[nursebeeme]

posted by boodles


Originally Posted by Boodles
JM: Ma'am, it is 6:00, isn't it?

ALV: I can't answer that question. There are two hands on the clock, and they move. They are moving now, even though it's imperceptible. So I cannot say yes, it's not a yes or no answer.

JM: ma'am, the big hand is on the 12 and the shorter one is on the 6, correct? Yes or no.

ALV: It depends what you mean, Mr Martinez, by "the big hand" and "the shorter one." And what do you mean by "on"? Are you trying to trick me? I just can't answer the question. I don't know what you are asking. A clock has moving parts and numbers. There are different types of clocks, digital and analog. And there are time zones...

JM: I didn't ask you whether a clock has moving parts. Did I ask you that? Did I ask you about time zones? Ma'am, you do know how to tell time, don't you?

ALV: Yes, Mr Martinez, I can tell time, but I am here to talk about domestic violence, Mr Martinez, so when you ask me if its 6:00, I am confused about where you're going.

JM: Judge, non-responsive. Please instruct the witness...

JW pops to her feet: Judge, may we approach?

JSS: You may.

Stomp stomp strut strut ==>sidebar ==> 5 minutes of white noise

Stomp stomp strut strut back to chairs.

JSS: Ladies and gentlemen, we are taking a recess for 10 minutes.

30 minutes pass

JM: ma'am, is the time now 6:40? Yes or no.

ALV: the big hand is on the 40 and the little hand is between the 6 and the 7, closer to the 7, so it's 6:40.

 

[katydid23]

Brought over from closed thread:

Originally Posted by TartLemon
Chris/Sky Hughes will not be pleased the Pros has used them to destroy Travis' character. Their testimony in the rebuttal should be very interesting. JA is surely dreading it, too.

posted by: rose222
Verified Juanette

I keep hearing rumours that they will not testify during rebuttal. I won't believe any of it unless I hear it confirmed from a reliable source.

I cannot imagine the Hughes not testifying.

I am kind of hoping that he cuts back on some rebuttal witnesses. Imo, he does not really need to prove or disprove all of these character assassinations anymore.
I think the jury is getting that these are pathetic fabrications. But if he gets too caught up in all of the side issues then he might miss the core issue: SELF DEFENSE vs CAPITAL MURDER. I think his rebuttal needs to target premeditation primarily. In doing so, it takes the wind out of those silly ' dropped the camera and he lunged' scenarios. JMO

Also, if he puts up executives from Walmart and Tesaro, with computer print outs, there is very little that the DT can do in cross. But putting up the Hughes or the Freemans or MM might backfire, imo.

 

[Wake_me]

(Pulled quote from previous thread, as it closed while I was typing)

Originally Posted by molly333

Here's the unfair thing, and I can't say I have ever seen this happen before--she is commenting on thousands of words she has seen but nobody else will ever be allowed to see. This is so unfair to her because everyone is acting as if this information does not exist. It does exist, you just can't tell.

IMO

If you are going to take into account what you speculate ALV may have read, do you also take into account all the information that has come out about JA from people who knew her, the police interviews with her parents, all the evidence considered to prejudicial, letters proven to be forgeries, tire slashing etc?

What is your take on the coded jailhouse message for an undisclosed recipient telling them they f*cked up? Seems to be coming from someone with a (at least perceived) sense of power, considering her predicament.

 

[nursebeeme]

timeline thread is all updated now.. thanks to all who transcribe! :rocker:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195462&page=26​