MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #3

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LadyL said:
dog(s) weren't there
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Why do you think 5th man would be mistaken/fib about that? Seems an inconsequential thing to him and his version/timeline of things for him to even bother saying it if wasn't true. And in tandem, why would JW's lawyer, his mouthpiece, say JW was "home sporadically" if from the beginning JW said to him that he never went out?
 
This is incredibly sad and I feel for all involved, including JW. I hope he takes Rehab seriously and it puts him on a better path. Addiction is a disease. If anyone is struggling, you are not alone and you can get help. I promise you, it does get better.
SAMHSA is a free, confidential, 24/7, 365-day-a-year treatment referral and information service for individuals and families facing mental and/or substance use disorders. 1-800-622-HELP.

That being said, as someone who raved as a teenager, you can test drugs for fentanyl at home. I would assume someone who dabbles more than I have and works with drugs would be more than aware of that. This is why I believe JW either did not supply them, or they purposefully knew they were taking fentanyl. I will not make any assumptions about criminal liability until facts prove otherwise.
 
ssnva1 said:
Sorry for the misunderstanding!! I was actually leaning more towards none of them being addicts! Occasional partiers that got into some laced coke or weed.

Absolutely addiction doesn’t discriminate!

I wanted to clarify that the point of my original post was in my opinion these are your average middle class hardworking group of friends (JW included) that unfortunately got some bad stuff. It wasn’t to debate what an addict looks like. AT ALL.

It’s usually the ones that occasionally use that end up OD’ing because they don’t have a tolerance and it sends their body into shock. Or ones who are relapsing for the same reasons.

Let’s move on before the thread gets closed. :)
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What I read several years ago. Ironically, opiates are often called "white-collar drugs", because if alcoholism is noticed rather fast (breath, shalking hands, bloodshot eyes, "the day after"), the businessmen can use opiates "in moderation" for years, show up at work every day, anf be very functional until the hell breaks loose. Fentanyl is a recent addition, but opiates were around for years. So, yes, we may never know, and never guess.
 
Neopetsprincess said:
This is incredibly sad and I feel for all involved, including JW. I hope he takes Rehab seriously and it puts him on a better path. Addiction is a disease. If anyone is struggling, you are not alone and you can get help. I promise you, it does get better.
SAMHSA is a free, confidential, 24/7, 365-day-a-year treatment referral and information service for individuals and families facing mental and/or substance use disorders. 1-800-622-HELP.

That being said, as someone who raved as a teenager, you can test drugs for fentanyl at home. I would assume someone who dabbles more than I have and works with drugs would be more than aware of that. This is why I believe JW either did not supply them, or they purposefully knew they were taking fentanyl. I will not make any assumptions about criminal liability until facts prove otherwise.
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So where can teenagers who "rave" and experiment purchase kits for fentanyl testing? Are there some videos to teach?
As a person who has friends with kids and grandkids, I do share the knowledge.
 
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Charlot123 said:
So where can teenagers who "rave" and experiment purchase kits for fentanyl testing? Are there some videos to teach?
As a person who has friends with kids and grandkids, I do share the knowledge.
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I’m from California, all of our dealers had them and the police would supply them and do free testing for you if you asked. They just wanted you to be safe for the most part. From what I know they’re relatively low cost.

Fentanyl Test Strips: A Harm Reduction Strategy

www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
 
DFWNF said:
Hi there, I must have missed a link, was it confirmed the one poor soul was sitting in the chair when found? Please post, what I read before was not definitive, it was basically saying just sitting there. And did not specify an actual chair. Thank you.
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“As a brother, I’m looking at everything,” Price told Chris Cuomo on Monday, adding that Johnson was “found on a lawn chair on the back porch, rather than all three laying flat, which paints a picture we didn’t have from the very beginning

www.crimeonline.com

Kansas City Chiefs Fan Found Frozen to Death was Seated in Lawn Chair, Brother Says

One of the deceased Kansas City Chiefs fans discovered in the backyard of an HIV scientist’s residence was found in a seated position on a back porch chair, not lying flat, according to statements from the brother of one of the victims. News Nation reports that Jonathan Price expressed...
www.crimeonline.com www.crimeonline.com
 
With release of the tox report the story seems to be pretty much over now.
Unless LE decides to investigate to determine where the drugs came from.
Which they may do because of pressure from the families of the dead men.
 
dmac55 said:
Missouri Division of Professional Registration
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Thank You for clearing that up, @dmac55. So, his license was for a Technician, not a "Pharmacist License" like that article mistakenly said. The roles are totally different in my mind. MOO, the first part of that paragraph in the article is worded wrong and confusing, IMO. Thanks again.​

www.tmz.com

Host of Chiefs Watch Party Heads to Rehab, Deceased Have Ties to Drugs

The man who hosted the ill-fated Kansas City Chiefs watch party that ended with three deaths is reportedly seeking addiction help in rehab -- and TMZ has learned more info about the deceased that could provide clues about what might've happened.
www.tmz.com www.tmz.com
 
“I don’t think that anyone familiar with this situation or this investigation thought that there wasn’t something else in play here and I think that the toxicology report is going to be the first step on many steps in the investigation as to who is responsible for these men’s tragic deaths,” Kagay said Thursday night on “CUOMO.”

If the toxicology report shows drugs were in the men’s systems, former FBI agent Jennifer Coffindaffer said police will likely next try to find out who supplied the drugs.

“I really believe that this has to do with the chocolate chip cookie effect, which is basically this little amount of fentanyl that are scattered throughout the drug, are you going to get a chocolate chip or are you not?” Coffindaffer said on “CUOMO.” “If you get that chocolate chip of that fentanyl, that is when you die.
www.newsnationnow.com

Toxicology report for 3 Kansas City men indicates fentanyl intake: Sources

Family members told FOX4 they learned that police received the report, and Kansas City police confirmed they have been in contact with family.
www.newsnationnow.com www.newsnationnow.com
 
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Charlot123 said:
So where can teenagers who "rave" and experiment purchase kits for fentanyl testing? Are there some videos to teach?
As a person who has friends with kids and grandkids, I do share the knowledge.
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I see them in every grocery store pharmacy

Edit to add just saw an new story about Southwest Airlines having naloxone on all flights
 
Elley Mae said:
Is it possible that most didn’t know the three were at JW home having watched the game elsewhere? Could be why it took two days to track them down, finding the two vehicles out front.

Jmo
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I think I read somewhere in this thread one guy texted his girlfriend while he was at JW's. He may have told her where he was, (possibly, idk what the text said).
 
sunshineray said:
Why do you think 5th man would be mistaken/fib about that? Seems an inconsequential thing to him and his version/timeline of things for him to even bother saying it if wasn't true. And in tandem, why would JW's lawyer, his mouthpiece, say JW was "home sporadically" if from the beginning JW said to him that he never went out?
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Pure speculation of course, but maybe guy 5 supplied the drugs that led to the overdoses. Maybe he thought he would be prosecuted for it.

The families, right out of the gate, basically accused JW of murdering the men. So, I see a lot of incentive for guy 5 — if he supplied the drugs — to help throw JW under the bus and take suspicion off himself.

A little white lie about the dogs could easily lead to a snowball effect. Maybe that fueled some of the families’ suspicions too.

If guy 5 tells them the dogs were there — even if they weren’t — most people would probably wonder why JW would “lie” and say they dogs weren’t there. That would make him look suspicious and it did. How many people have taken that at face value and said JW must’ve known his friends were dead in the backyard because he would have to take his dogs out?
 
Neopetsprincess said:
I’m from California, all of our dealers had them and the police would supply them and do free testing for you if you asked. They just wanted you to be safe for the most part. From what I know they’re relatively low cost.

Fentanyl Test Strips: A Harm Reduction Strategy

www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
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Do you mean CA police would test their illegal drugs for them, free of charge, if they requested it? That can't be right, right? Am I misunderstanding?
 
Just wanted to say, JW is a vaccine researcher. I work in a closely connected HIV clinical research area. I think people are making assumptions that ‘drug researcher’ means people with that background have special access to or knowledge of pharmaceuticals, like fentanyl. Honestly, we have no more knowledge that the rest of the general population. I only have slightly more professional experience around street drugs because we often see people who have a history of drug use come into our research studies because that goes hand in hand with heightened risk for HIV. I have no access to pharmaceuticals, no specialist knowledge about anything other than any medicines my research is specifically on, no big pharma deals. In fact, we can’t have these relationships because of conflicts of interest anyway.

JMO but working in the field, my assumption is that the connection to drugs in purely through a social scene where drug use has been normalised, probably over a very long time (since school? with these same friends?). Cocaine and cannabis use is very common. Not my cup of tea, but I know a lot of successful professionals who are using both with some frequency. It’s just ‘for fun’ for a lot of people, until it’s no longer fun.
 
Initial toxicology reports on the three Kansas City Chiefs fans found frozen and dead in a friend’s yard found cocaine, THC — and three times the amount of fentanyl that is enough to kill, according to reports.

nypost.com

Kansas City Chiefs fans found dead had three times lethal amount of fentanyl plus cocaine, THC: reports

Initial toxicology reports on the three Kansas City Chiefs fans found frozen and dead in a friend’s yard found cocaine, THC — and three times the amount of fentanyl that is enough to ki…
nypost.com nypost.com

“The family source says level 10 fentanyl is enough to kill. The #KansasCity3 were at level 30.”

He later added that the information was “backed up and confirmed by a second, separate family source.”
 
EyesofTheSouth said:
Pure speculation of course, but maybe guy 5 supplied the drugs that led to the overdoses. Maybe he thought he would be prosecuted for it.

The families, right out of the gate, basically accused JW of murdering the men. So, I see a lot of incentive for guy 5 — if he supplied the drugs — to help throw JW under the bus and take suspicion off himself.

A little white lie about the dogs could easily lead to a snowball effect. Maybe that fueled some of the families’ suspicions too.

If guy 5 tells them the dogs were there — even if they weren’t — most people would probably wonder why JW would “lie” and say they dogs weren’t there. That would make him look suspicious and it did. How many people have taken that at face value and said JW must’ve known his friends were dead in the backyard because he would have to take his dogs out?
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It's certainly within the realm of possiblity but I think JW's lawyer took care of starting a snowball effect and that was days before it was common knowledge there was even a 5th man there that night. JMO
 
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