Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat 100km NW of Melbourne, 4 Feb 2024 #2

[they'll get you]

I cannot imagine going for a run, or even a walk without any water. In northern Australia, you would be dehydrated in no time and simply faint or die.

I couldn’t try going for a run like that.

 

[BGirl88]

Can

Yeah - I agree, I find the words that Superintentendant Mark Hatt said something like - "We have CCTV of her leaving the property - but we have no idea which way she went" (from his press conference).

I can only gather there is some video footage that shows SM walking down the driveway - but if there is no CCTV that shows past the driveway - there can't be any evidence that she actually left the driveway IMO.

Can anyone see from maps where their council bins are located? Could she have walked up the driveway to dispose of the dog poo in the wheelie bin and that’s the cctv vision they captured? Did she walk up the driveway for a different reason than to commence her jog?

 

[Dotta]

Why? The search was called off very early. Obviously the police don't think she out there at all. So much bush, dams etc but they didn't bother. That says it all. Police don't believe she went there.

I meant at her property.

 

[BreakingNews]

I also have no idea and it could be anything at this stage. As far as a note, only about 40% of suicides maximum involve a note (or that was the figure we were given when I learned about this stuff). The thinking you mention here assumes a rationality people who are in the space where they take their life might not have. I read a friend's suicide note and it was quite clear that while they were coherent, there was a lack of logic and rationality in their thoughts.

I wouldn't have a clue what the answer is here but I aren't leaping to any conclusions based on anyone's body language. I've worked with some difficult situations in a support role and, sometimes, that tension in the body or face might just reflect the effort to keep my own emotions in check so I can do my role. I can't imagine what it's like to go through this, let alone having to do it in the face of judgement and media attention.

I don't believe the suicide theory, otherwise police would still be searching. And I believe a woman of her age with children would have left a note. And the police are now saying SM disappearance is suspicious. They don't say suspicious unless foul play is involved. Suicides are not classed as suspicious.

 

[Awakening]

I was having similar thoughts this afternoon.

What if she was picked up by someone out of view of the home camera/s.

That could explain the lack of sightings on her run.

Or whatever happened to her happened close to home at the start of her run.

 

[BGirl88]

Can

Can anyone see from maps where their council bins are located? Could she have walked up the driveway to dispose of the dog poo in the wheelie bin and that’s the cctv vision they captured? Did she walk up the driveway for a different reason than to commence her jog?

I just looked up bin collection days for the address but they’re on a Thursday.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Or whatever happened to her happened close to home at the start of her run.

Yes that's what I meant, as she went down the drive and turned the corner, at the start of her run.

 

[SLouTh]

Can

Can anyone see from maps where their council bins are located? Could she have walked up the driveway to dispose of the dog poo in the wheelie bin and that’s the cctv vision they captured? Did she walk up the driveway for a different reason than to commence her jog?

Yes you can see the bins on google street view … out towards the front gate near the small shed ….

Google Maps

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www.google.com.au

 

[Black-Cat]

The police are drip feeding us. We don't know what we don't know. We can't even speculate because we don't have enough information. Like did she actually leave home that morning? I'm thinking not, because there is absolutely no sightings.

Agreed, I don't think she left.

IMO

 

[Lizzle]

In our country they tend to come in threes.

And in our country, they rarely come alone.

I'm so sorry for little Ruby and the kids.

 

[Marg944]

I haven’t heard that Police have called in divers ….. They listed all sorts of other search personnel including dogs etc

I have found an article in the DM that states that Police divers were called in to search abandoned local mineshafts… doesn’t say they searched any dams though.

Sinister twist as police bring in specialists in hunt for missing mum

Police have revealed specialist rescue teams and divers have been brought in to look for missing Samantha Murphy in the abandoned mineshafts that litter the Goldfields area.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Lemony]

I haven’t heard that Police have called in divers ….. They listed all sorts of other search personnel including dogs etc

Divers were brought in to search the mineshafts according to the DM.

Sinister twist as police bring in specialists in hunt for missing mum

Police have revealed specialist rescue teams and divers have been brought in to look for missing Samantha Murphy in the abandoned mineshafts that litter the Goldfields area.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[SLouTh]

I have found an article in the DM that states that Police divers were called in to search abandoned local mineshafts… doesn’t say they searched any dams though.

Sinister twist as police bring in specialists in hunt for missing mum

Police have revealed specialist rescue teams and divers have been brought in to look for missing Samantha Murphy in the abandoned mineshafts that litter the Goldfields area.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Thanks @Marg944
That is good to know!

Maybe Police have searched the dams but it’s not been made public???

The article also says this :

Police are also checking the countless local dams on surrounding farmland to see if there is any trace of her there.

 

[Black-Cat]

In the USA, we have all kinds of gadgets for water. The lightest are the small water filters, which you can fill up from any water source, and it filters it so it's potable. Some can be carried in a light backpack with a straw to your mouth. It is mostly unheard of for people to go on a hike without water, with so many ways to carry it with a lightweight. Better to have water in case of an emergency than none at all.

Agreed, they don't jog along with a water bottle, perhaps a camel back (water in a backpack with long flexible straw).

IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks @Marg944
That is good to know!

Maybe Police have searched the dams but it’s not been made public???

The article also says this :

Police are also checking the countless local dams on surrounding farmland to see if there is any trace of her there.

A reporter asked if there were any specialists involved in looking in mineshafts or dams, in the Day Six presser.

The answer was "Yeah, that's all part of our search at the moment. We've had the police search and rescue squad involved in the search since day one."

(At around the 4:10 mark)
Link to the presser

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Some runners carry a water bottle in a sleeve thing on their upper arm.
I've seen plenty of joggers and runners that do that.

 

[Liadan]

I don't believe the suicide theory, otherwise police would still be searching. And I believe a woman of her age with children would have left a note. And the police are now saying SM disappearance is suspicious. They don't say suspicious unless foul play is involved. Suicides are not classed as suspicious.

Absolutely BreakingNews! And usually, in Australia, as soon as there is a suicide, - if you need help, there are a list of contacts for help, and they say contact this number to access the right help!
So this is Interesting, but I think it was a personal crime! An opportunistic crime would leave evidence as they understand that nobody would be tracing them.

 

[SouthAussie]

On the low blood pressure thing, I wonder if the friend got confused with low heart rate? Most runners have a low heart rate. Taking water would be less important in that case.

I am just listening to the Day Six presser. At about the 5:06 mark in the video, a reporter says that there have been reports that Samantha suffered from low blood pressure and is there any truth in that or are there any health concerns that they are aware of.

The police answer was that "she's physically and mentally a fit and strong woman".

The reporter says .. "not the low blood pressure thing?"

The police officer shakes his head no.

So I guess it was a bogus report anyway!

imo

 

[Noorie]

They've spent alot of coin since they bought that house...pool, cabana, huge sheds and landscaping. They must be rolling in it!

 

[drsleuth]

They've spent alot of coin since they bought that house...pool, cabana, huge sheds and landscaping. They must be rolling in it!

They may have worked very hard for it too, good on them