Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat 100km NW of Melbourne, 4 Feb 2024 #4

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Black-Cat said:
Woah (Under Investigation) .... absolutely applying pressure! Someone is perspiring profusely!!!!

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7 K mark kidnapped, she was targeted ,she new the people ,one or two, and or new the organizer of the kidnapping ,why kidnapping to get rid of the body ,no body no Crime as to speak of, Samantha had no enemies. Police still focusing on the house,Samantha and Michael's, and morning activities at the house , when Samantha disappeared the ,comming and goings from the house very strange, if Samantha didn't have any enemies and there's well liked in town, it was someone close to her.
 
Only a few minutes into the tv show & not that interesting or informative . Trying not to be unkind but does Sissy add anything to the discussion.
They doesn’t seem to know anything just pad it . I am wondering if they will actually discuss DV as a possibly - since that is how most women are killed .
 
mondayschild said:
They had an ex-police officer, a data specialist and a forensic psychologist on the panel and they did most of the talking in the second half. The data specialist (I think) pointed out that it took a long time for police to come forward with info about the Mt Clear location/timing and 'halfway point' of the run and the ex-police officer said "why do you think they would do that?". Data specialist "to watch if anyone comes back?" and the ex-police officer strongly agreed (ie that police would be using surveillance there). They all kept emphasizing how much info can be provided from digital data (even an iphone that has had sim removed etc can apparently be located by something called an IMEI?) but they also talked about people who have access to things like 'find my phone' or imei trackers can also monitor someone without being seen.
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My takes on the show are as follows. Police appear to be suggesting: 1) it’s only time before they extract what they need to from all the data available to identify involved parties at the 7km location at Mt Clear; 2) the police appear to know that more than one party at least is involved; 3) the message conveyed implicitly by knowing of more than one party is that each party involved may have greater or lesser roles and therefore culpability; 4) I believe police are trying to evoke some panic/tension amongst the parties involved so that one or more may turn against the others and, in a possible bid to reduce their own culpability, seek to present themselves to police first; 5) people in the Ballarat community will know who fits or doesn’t fit the forensic psych profile; 6) people in the Ballarat community may have noted odd behaviour or interest around some of the searches; 7) someone would have seen the car and it would have exited on a main road at around 8am Feb 4; 8) if Samantha is still alive someone other than the parties involved must be aware of it; 9) I believe police may be hoping for a panicked abandonment of the relevant devices… 10) police have possibly kept surveillance at mt clear since 4 Feb in anticipation that involved parties may return to the site; 11) reading in between the lines I wonder if police have been keeping watch on recurring electronic devices that may have been pinging in the area (including during the volunteer searches) that may have also been in the area on 4 Feb; 12) police seem to imply that tracking information within cars may also be collected and whoever is involved may not have considered that whatever car(S) were used may also be tracked; 13) a damaged vehicle seems strongly suspected…. JMO
 
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Everything that was discussed tonight would have been given the approval from the Detectives investigating this

I have had the same thoughts as police

But this was designed to put pressure on the perpetrators, who would be very worried at the moment,

someone could break, their conscious is eating them, and they know it's only a matter of time,

Less time in the slammer, so they can put one or more others in the slammer, for longer times, due to the tips and the testimony.

With phone pings, GPS and there could possibly be CCTV and dash cam from roads, houses showing vehicles entering the tracks, including a damaged one

There could also be vehicle GPS tracking system, that were hanging around that area on the day as well, that police have picked up

I think the police will be knocking on some doors shortly
 
Nifty said:
Everything that was discussed tonight would have been given the approval from the Detectives investigating this

I have had the same thoughts as police

But this was designed to put pressure on the perpetrators, who would be very worried at the moment,

someone could break, their conscious is eating them, and they know it's only a matter of time,

Less time in the slammer, so they can put one or more others in the slammer, for longer times, due to the tips and the testimony.

With phone pings, GPS and there could possibly be CCTV and dash cam from roads, houses showing vehicles entering the tracks, including a damaged one

There could also be vehicle GPS tracking system, that were hanging around that area on the day as well, that police have picked up

I think the police will be knocking on some doors shortly
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I absolutely agree that police are turning up the heat knowing that not all parties involved have played an equal role …. I believe they are hoping for the weakest link to crack… and for community members to report observations of suspicious behaviour… JMO
 
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One thing the experts did say was that it could be someone who had access to be able to track her movements digitally and/ or knowledge of where she ran .
I know how easy it is to set up tracking on someone’s phone - so who had access to her phone
 
*article dated 7 Feb 2024:
'There was nothing suspicious about it. There was no family feud. I can understand why people can start to think that, but she definitely had Covid. Another friend of ours had Covid too and they were both talking about it and when they get better they were going to catch up,' she said.

'She would have definitely been down there but she didn't want anyone to get Covid.'
www.dailymail.co.uk

Date missing mum Samantha Murphy would NOT have missed

Missing mum Samantha Murphy was notably absent from her family's traditional summer holiday along Victoria's surf coast in the weeks before she vanished.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
* Why did he mention family feud? Was he specifically asked about a family feud?
 
After watching ‘Under Investigation,’ I felt both the tech data guy and the former detective were pretty much in agreement that more than one person were involved in the likely removal of SM from the targeted Mt Clear area.

The forensic psychologist seemed to be leaning more towards a very calculating psychopath as the likely perpetrator. He was suggesting that SM may have been stalked, tracked and followed.

I can’t really mesh the two scenarios because I seem to only be able to imagine a stalker working alone. It would surely be a unique relationship where a stalker has an accomplice or someone they trust/can control enough to help abduct/murder/dispose of someone.
 
I don't believe that the programme was any sort of collaboration with the police or with the police in the background telling the programme what they want aired.

If the police want something known they do a press conference, or put out statements, or give interviews.
 
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In line with my posts yesterday Re identifying not only what data to “gp on” but what data to not go on, I believe what police may be hoping for is that additional info provided by the public may eliminate certain POIs and incriminate others…
 
Oona said:
After watching ‘Under Investigation,’ I felt both the tech data guy and the former detective were pretty much in agreement that more than one person were involved in the likely removal of SM from the targeted Mt Clear area.

The forensic psychologist seemed to be leaning more towards a very calculating psychopath as the likely perpetrator. He was suggesting that SM may have been stalked, tracked and followed.

I can’t really mesh the two scenarios because I seem to only be able to imagine a stalker working alone. It would surely be a unique relationship where a stalker has an accomplice or someone they trust/can control enough to help abduct/murder/dispose of someone.
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Yeah i cant figure that one out either ,I lean towards it being more likely to be ‘ personal’ attack and usually there isn’t an accomplice.
You’d have to be dam sure the other person wouldn’t dob you in .
 
Regarding the scenario of it being a targeted attack...
One thing is bugging me about police being able to track if there were other devices in the Mt Clear area, where the Police believe something happened....

Yes, of course they can do this but....

1. Its 2024, a perpetrator would surely know that having their own phone with them would be giving themselves away wouldn't they?

2. What point would there be for a perpetrator to destroy Samantha's devices, if they are carrying their own device with them? Would they be that silly? Possibly...

I suppose a perpetrator may unwittingly give themselves away due to them not knowing a vehicle gps is sending out signals.

I guess my point is a perpetrator or perpetrators who had planned an attack would surely not be taking their own phone(s) with them would they?
 
PolyDot said:
One thing the experts did say was that it could be someone who had access to be able to track her movements digitally and/ or knowledge of where she ran .
I know how easy it is to set up tracking on someone’s phone - so who had access to her phone
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You would think someone close to her or someone who knows her password to get in
 
Bats said:
Regarding the scenario of it being a targeted attack...
One thing is bugging me about police being able to track if there were other devices in the Mt Clear area, where the Police believe something happened....

Yes, of course they can do this but....

1. Its 2024, a perpetrator would surely know that having their own phone with them would be giving themselves away wouldn't they?

2. What point would there be for a perpetrator to destroy Samantha's devices, if they are carrying their own device with them? Would they be that silly? Possibly...

I suppose a perpetrator may unwittingly give themselves away due to them not knowing a vehicle gps is sending out signals.

I guess my point is a perpetrator or perpetrators who had planned an attack would surely not be taking their own phone(s) with them would they?
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Perhaps the (possible) abductors may have thought that changing the sim in their phone would be sufficient? Which police said is not the case. Or perhaps a burner phone may have been used… which is still traceable…. Also, iPads, watches, air pods, car gps etc could all potentially have been tracked…
 
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