Found Deceased France - Émile S., 2, outside grandparent’s house, Le Vernet, Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, 8 July 2023

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They only searched quite a small area initially then - rather than increasing that search area - they stopped.

I found it unbelievable.

Not necessarily - this area was reported as having been extensively searched early on. But the searches may have concentrated on the accessible ground, while the body was trapped on steep escarpment above, inaccessible to search parties and shielded from the view of helicopters and drones by trees.

Bref: the search parties were looking down, but the body was above .
 
Not necessarily - this area was reported as having been extensively searched early on. But the searches may have concentrated on the accessible ground, while the body was trapped on steep escarpment above, inaccessible to search parties and shielded from the view of helicopters and drones by trees.

Bref: the search parties were looking down, but the body was above .
Fact remains at a certain point they pulled the search rather than increase the search zone.

They kept saying it was the child who couldn’t walk that far.
He got far further than LE did.
That is shameful.
 

Police are investigating why the bones appeared after so long. The latest reports suggest the woman found a skull in a a steep area that was not easy to access and handed it over to local gendarmes (military police).
 

Police are investigating why the bones appeared after so long. The latest reports suggest the woman found a skull in a a steep area that was not easy to access and handed it over to local gendarmes (military police).
Yep, no vehicules can go to the area and due to poor weather in France for few days, the terrain is very muddy and very steep. Right now they're using 2 k9 teams and anthropologists specialised in soil analysis are on site.

The local gendarmes believe they're few chances they missed the body back in july. They've searched this particular area quite intensively but they agree on the fact that there were a lot of vegetation.
 
sorry im not sure how to start a thread for the little girl, someone else might,
but sadly there doesnt seem to be much information at all online about her
Ws thread..
 
Either that or he wandered off.
Sadly, due to the passing of time we may never know.

They can assess from an autopsy on the skeletal remains if there were knife marks or gunshot wounds, correct ?

Rest in peace, little Emile.
A medical examiner said on french television they're gonna use 3d imaging which in theory can show lesions even 9 month after. The teeth can also provide some clues (death by asphyxiation for exemple). They have very few remains not an easy task.

Can't they track gps data to see if they where movements prior to the finding or just after the reenactment ?
 
It's a quote from the title of the article below (link was also posted earlier on the thread):


I can't access the full article so I don't know who the quote is attributed to.
I can't access the full article either, but the 'someone' is called Carine and I presume based on context she's from Vernet, but I may be wrong. According to her it's "impensable" - unthinkable - that little Émile would have got where he was found on his own. Here on the forum she would have to add MOO or IMO to that statement. Because there are examples here on Websleuths of small lost children getting far further away than anybody thought possible.

All IMO
 
I can't access the full article either, but the 'someone' is called Carine and I presume based on context she's from Vernet, but I may be wrong. According to her it's "impensable" - unthinkable - that little Émile would have got where he was found on his own. Here on the forum she would have to add MOO or IMO to that statement. Because there are examples here on Websleuths of small lost children getting far further away than anybody thought possible.

All IMO
Someone else posted the relevant part of the article - the source was the village mayor.
 
Fact remains at a certain point they pulled the search rather than increase the search zone.

They kept saying it was the child who couldn’t walk that far.
He got far further than LE did.
That is shameful.
bbm. Exactly the same thing LE said some years back when a toddler disappeared in the US. Sorry I can't remember his name, it was a little boy is all I remember and he was found outside the search area. They said "he couldn't walk that far" back then too.
I don't know who makes these decisions, but have they no toddler experience?
They can be super-fast, transport themselves super-far, many have amazing survival instincts. They can keep themselves invisible if they want to. Some are able to open locked and even bolted doors.
I don't know why LE everywhere keep underestimating toddlers. Who decided "toddlers can't walk that far"?
 
I can't access the full article either, but the 'someone' is called Carine and I presume based on context she's from Vernet, but I may be wrong. According to her it's "impensable" - unthinkable - that little Émile would have got where he was found on his own. Here on the forum she would have to add MOO or IMO to that statement. Because there are examples here on Websleuths of small lost children getting far further away than anybody thought possible.

All IMO
If it were small children, who couldn't speak enough (couldn't be a witness), I would always assume, they were brought back by their abductor to a certain place, which got searched before. I wouldn't think, the little child walked a mile more than his age (and his little feet) would have allowed. - Maybe I'm too suspicious?
 
If it were small children, who couldn't speak enough (couldn't be a witness), I would always assume, they were brought back by their abductor to a certain place, which got searched before. I wouldn't think, the little child walked a mile more than his age (and his little feet) would have allowed. - Maybe I'm too suspicious?
As I wrote, there have been examples here on Websleuths where a tiny child of 2 or 3 years old walked far further than anybody believed they would. No names occur to me atm but there was a case in Ontario, Canada afai recall.

I think it's member @RickshawFan who explains how small children, especially, but in fact even adults can be missed during a search though they actually were there.
ETA: No, sorry, it was @JerseyWasHome2 in this particular thread, however point stands.

Small children who couldn't be a witness due to missing verbal skills could have wandered or they could have been abducted. The fact that they are small children who can't speak enough yet doesn't preclude wandering off, if you see what I mean.

I don't have any strong ideas on what happened to Émile, but I wouldn't rule out wandering off.
MOO

RIP little one.
 
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bbm. Exactly the same thing LE said some years back when a toddler disappeared in the US. Sorry I can't remember his name, it was a little boy is all I remember and he was found outside the search area. They said "he couldn't walk that far" back then too.
I don't know who makes these decisions, but have they no toddler experience?
They can be super-fast, transport themselves super-far, many have amazing survival instincts. They can keep themselves invisible if they want to. Some are able to open locked and even bolted doors.
I don't know why LE everywhere keep underestimating toddlers. Who decided "toddlers can't walk that far"?

This wee lass was found 3 miles from home. Missing toddler found 3 miles from Michigan home, asleep and using her dog "as a pillow"

This little guy was found 3 miles from home. Boy, 3, missing for 50 hours found 3 miles away

I'm sure there are many more stories of toddlers walking farther than thought possible.
 
This wee lass was found 3 miles from home. Missing toddler found 3 miles from Michigan home, asleep and using her dog "as a pillow"

This little guy was found 3 miles from home. Boy, 3, missing for 50 hours found 3 miles away

I'm sure there are many more stories of toddlers walking farther than thought possible.
even here in the past 3 years there have been several cases of searchers about to move to recovery phase when hero is found, happy out and healthy as a trout and without a scar or a fear.. these did actually happen, I'm not making it up..

One was found by a man after Sunday School who was at home relaxing and got the feel to follow a sound and there he found that believed dead child..
nobody could believe it, we were all crying here.. Sheriff was amazing..
 
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