School shooting in Finland, 12-year-old shooter, April 2, 2024

[Rikissa]

A 12-year-old has been arrested for a school shooting in Vanda (a city just north of Helsinki, part of the Greater Helsinki), where one child was killed, and two injured, all of them 12-year-olds.

Finland school shooting: 12-year-old apprehended after fellow pupil dies

Two other children seriously injured in incident in Vantaa described by minister as ‘horrifying’

www.theguardian.com

Finland shooting: Child held after pupil aged 12 shot dead at school in Vantaa

A shooting north of Helsinki leaves one child dead and a suspect aged 12 in custody, say police.

www.bbc.com

In Swedish:

Detta vet vi nu: 12-åring död efter skolskjutning, polisen gripit misstänkt 12-årig gärningsperson

En 12-åring dog i skolskjutningen i Vanda på tisdagsförmiddagen. Två andra tolvåriga barn har skadats. En tolvåring person har gripits efter en skottlossning på Viertolan koulu i Bäckby i Vanda.

www.hbl.fi

 

[Sarahlou]

12! Unbelievable.

 

[CamilleBSP]

That's so sad. My heart goes out to all affected at this time.

A few months ago we had an attack in a school here where I live and I remember how horrifying that was. It's just insane. Our kids need help.

 

[dotr]

A 12-year-old student opens fire at a school in Finland, killing 1 and wounding 2 others

A 12-year-old student opened fire at a secondary school in southern Finland on Tuesday morning, killing one and seriously wounded two other students, police said. The suspect was later arrested.

www.ctvnews.ca

''Police said both the suspect and the victims were 12 years old. The suspect was arrested in the Helsinki area later Tuesday with a handgun in his possession, police said.

Police told a news conference that one of the wounded students had died. The other two were seriously wounded, said Chief of Police Ilka Koskimaki from the Eastern Uusima Police Department.

Finnish Prime Minister Petteri Orpo posted on X that he was “deeply shocked” over the shooting.

In the past decades, Finland has witnessed two major deadly school shootings.''

 

[Werlan]

Finnish Prime Minister Petteri Orpo posted on X that he was “deeply shocked” over the shooting.

All shocked. Soon you can enter the school only with a metal detector.
My condolences.
What are we, as parents, doing wrong?

 

[OldCop]

All shocked. Soon you can enter the school only with a metal detector.
My condolences.
What are we, as parents, doing wrong?

RBBM
Not teaching our children right.

 

[Rikissa]

''Police said both the suspect and the victims were 12 years old. The suspect was arrested in the Helsinki area later Tuesday with a handgun in his possession, police said.

Finnish media haven't mentioned if the suspect is male or female, the Swedish-language newspaper Hufvudstadsbladet writes "tolvårig person" (twelve-year-old person)and Finnish-language IS (IltaSanoma) writes "12-vuotias lapsi" (12-year-old child). Even if a Finnish-language site would mention the shooter as "hän", the third-person singular pronoun, that will not reveal the gender of a person, as that pronoun is gender neutral in the Finnish language, as well as its closest related languages. Finnish language has only one word for "he" and "she" - "hän".

 

[Sarahlou]

The DM say the suspect is male, they have a video of him being arrested but it's blurred out

Three children are wounded in gun rampage at Finland primary school

Police initially said that three minors were injured in the attack in Vantaa, Finland and taken to hospital, but later announced that one had died. The other two remain in a serious condition.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Marantz4250b]

The DM say the suspect is male, they have a video of him being arrested but it's blurred out

Three children are wounded in gun rampage at Finland primary school

Police initially said that three minors were injured in the attack in Vantaa, Finland and taken to hospital, but later announced that one had died. The other two remain in a serious condition.

www.dailymail.co.uk

However, the suspect is unlikely to be prosecuted on account of their age, with the minimum age of criminal liability in Finland being 15.

Really?? What the hell??

It's ten here!

 

[lorelaigilmore]

In the past decades, Finland has witnessed two major deadly school shootings.''

This sentence is wild to me considering how commonplace they are in the USA. The USA will have more school shootings in 6 months than Finland will have in decades. Devastating all around. Something’s gotta give.

 

[Dotta]

However, the suspect is unlikely to be prosecuted on account of their age, with the minimum age of criminal liability in Finland being 15.

Really?? What the hell??

It's ten here!

In my country Poland it is 17.
Only extremely rarely when 15.

 

[Elley Mae]

A 12-year-old student opens fire at a school in Finland, killing 1 and wounding 2 others

A 12-year-old student opened fire at a secondary school in southern Finland on Tuesday morning, killing one and seriously wounded two other students, police said. The suspect was later arrested.

www.ctvnews.ca

''Police said both the suspect and the victims were 12 years old. The suspect was arrested in the Helsinki area later Tuesday with a handgun in his possession, police said.

Police told a news conference that one of the wounded students had died. The other two were seriously wounded, said Chief of Police Ilka Koskimaki from the Eastern Uusima Police Department.

Finnish Prime Minister Petteri Orpo posted on X that he was “deeply shocked” over the shooting.

In the past decades, Finland has witnessed two major deadly school shootings.''

Past decades?

17 years 1 decade 7 years
…

Hard to compare usa to finland

Usa population over 334 million finland under 6 million.

United States vs. Finland - demographics comparison

 

[charminglane]

Finland is the happiest country in the world for the seventh year in a row

The World Happiness Report released its annual ranking of the happiest countries in the world.

www.cnbc.com

Not everyone.

 

[Elley Mae]

A 12-year-old child has died and two others have been seriously wounded in a school shooting in Finland.

The suspect, a fellow pupil, ran off after the shooting but was later arrested, police said. He was holding a licensed handgun owned by a close relative and admitted carrying out the shooting in an initial interview, they added.

Finland school shooting: 12-year-old apprehended after fellow pupil dies

Two other children seriously injured in incident in Vantaa described by minister as ‘horrifying’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Marantz4250b]

In my country Poland it is 17.
Only extremely rarely when 15.

Is it?? I'm amazed by that, quite honestly.

That can't be right when I think about it - are we talking about the same thing? I'm wondering whether things are being lost in translation, as it were?

 

[Dotta]

Is it?? I'm amazed by that, quite honestly.

That can't be right when I think about it - are we talking about the same thing? I'm wondering whether things are being lost in translation, as it were?

Quote from my country's MSM
translated:

"Authorities have already launched an investigation into murder and attempted murder.

As reported by the BBC, children under 15
are not subject to criminal liability in Finland,

which is why the suspect was not placed in custody
but in social welfare."

Tragiczne doniesienia po strzelaninie w Finlandii. 12-latek nie żyje- WP Wiadomosci

wiadomosci-wp-pl.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Sarahlou]

Is it?? I'm amazed by that, quite honestly.

That can't be right when I think about it - are we talking about the same thing? I'm wondering whether things are being lost in translation, as it were?

It's correct. Not lost in translation. I agree it's quite surprising. I had no idea the age of criminal responsibility was 17 in Poland.
This lists the age of criminal responsibility in different countries

Age of criminal responsibility - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Marantz4250b]

Is it?? I'm amazed by that, quite honestly.

That can't be right when I think about it - are we talking about the same thing? I'm wondering whether things are being lost in translation, as it were?

So, yeah, it seems to be a bit more nuanced; I think the term "criminal responsibility" has different specific meanings in different countries. So, yes, it's technically 17 in Poland but it's not as simple as that. From the Wikipedia entry on the matter;

Juvenile correctional proceedings liability age is 13. Juvenile educational and therapeutic proceedings liability applies to all persons under the age of 18 (including persons below 13 years of age).[96] The maximum possible sentence that can be imposed on offenders taking criminal liability under 18 years of age is 25 years' imprisonment.

Poland - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So, essentially, it seems you can still be subject to some sort of proceedings under 17, and under 15 and even 13. Just seems to have some different specific legal meaning there. The practical effect, though, is that you still get locked up away from others from what I can tell.

 

[Marantz4250b]

It's correct. Not lost in translation. I agree it's quite surprising. I had no idea the age of criminal responsibility was 17 in Poland.
This lists the age of criminal responsibility in different countries

Age of criminal responsibility - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

You beat me to it!

It seems that a child even under 13 can be held in custody (for want of a better phrase) depending on the "crime".

For Finland, everywhere seems to maintain this 15 age but there must be some form of secure order for someone like this kid. I can't believe he'll simply be allowed to walk with no consequences.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

What are we, as parents, doing wrong?

As far as shootings, well, a relative allowed him access to a gun. Perhaps the relative should be arrested - my opinion.