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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Just found this re: sovereign citizens. Definitely worth a read: https://www.sog.unc.edu/sites/www.sog.unc.edu/files/Sov%20citizens%20quick%20guide%20Nov%2013.pdf
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Maybe they were blocked in and couldn't gun the car to escape. I would think they would have rammed whatever vehicle impeded movement. Seems they must have locked the doors, leading to the broken window so they must have suspected a violent encounter.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Just can't understand how those charged actually thought they could get away with murder. So, they leave the victim's car like no one cares or would find it? So, no one would even suspect them as participants? So, they actually thought a burner phone couldn't be traced? Oh, my...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    I know a few types like this. Not as extreme, but I can tell you they will never change their minds. You can't reason, can't show them information. If a juror believes the defendants were saving the children, backs what they felt was necessary, there's little hope.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Can area residents convict the defendants especially if residents have anti-government leanings?
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Frightening to think there would be ANY support, but I'm guessing the cult doesn't stop with these defendants.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Just read online it also takes $2,350 plus turning in a passport, plus appearing in person. So, Grice is still a citizen, as are the others. Seems they didn't even know how to be a sovereign citizen.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Denouncing citizenship doesn't mean it, apparently. It takes $2,350 plus turning in a passport and appearing in person. So, Paul Grice, despite his statement, is still a citizen. Guess that gets him a free attorney.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Just thinking more about Paul Grice. He is 31 yrs old. The other defendants are old enough to be his parents. Why was he involved with them?
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Somehow TA believed she was still part of the 1800s lawless Panhandle. It seems likely she wasn't the only one. That's a tight knit area. Would be interesting to hear from uninvolved neighbors, assuming there are such.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Waiting for a trial - if there will be one. Most cases today are plea bargained. If this happens, we will never know exactly how this happened and the whys.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    Such non-intelligence at work to plan like this and think you could get away with it.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    The only one that looks maybe remorseful is Cora. But, then, maybe it's just a confused look, not knowing what to expect.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    The sheriff mentions both drones and security on roofs. About 1:10 in video above: Texas County Sheriff Speaks...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    It's interesting he mentions integration and community support for police more than once. Leaves a bit of questioning. His defense of security (drones, police on roofs) says he knew (maybe heard) about possible problems, and, as part of the community, IMO he knows what's being said.

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