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  1. doublestop

    OK, Noah Presgrove, 19, Sept 4, 2023, Comanche, homicide, attended a house party, found on side of road

    Has anyone else noticed, in the video where Noah encourages a boy to punch him, how terrified the boy seems of retribution? He shoots away from Noah like his tail is on fire. Not sure what that means, just something I noticed.
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    Found Deceased IA - David Schultz, 53, Wall Lake, 21 November 2023 #3

    I hope they identified him by more than just boots.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    At least, he told Cullum he would. That might not mean he actually would, but didn't want to get into it with TC.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    TA's father died in a farm accident in 2008. Has anyone seen anything that shares more details about that accident? Clyde Eldon Adams (1931-2008) - Find a Grave...
  6. doublestop

    OK, Noah Presgrove, 19, Sept 4, 2023, Comanche, homicide, attended a house party, found on side of road

    Wonder if they found his shorts, and where. Also wondering if he dared people to try to hurt him and either they, or he, pushed the limit to the point of no return.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    This New York Post article has a photo of Tad with his beard neatly trimmed. I agree that he's had the long beard for way longer than just since the murders. Bodies of missing Kansas moms ID’d as preacher’s wife and pal who were victims of ‘brutal crime’ after custody battle
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Perhaps he was referring to PG, who, after the bizarre "kill her with an anvil" plan, decided that getting rid of VB was not his problem and he was staying out of it.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    I suspect the answer would be the same as what teenagers say when asked the same question. "I don't know."
  10. doublestop

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    I thought her favorite song being "You Give Love a Bad Name" was perhaps the understatement of the year, in terms of her "love" of her grandchildren.
  11. doublestop

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Adams...I suspect she remains Adams despite her many marriages because it's a powerful name in the area.
  12. doublestop

    Found Deceased TN - Riley Strain, 22, missing after leaving bar, Nashville, 8 March 2024 #3

    Not really, my son talked to me every day on Facebook chat while in college, and still does as a young adult. He sees me as a person he can trust...although I can't say he always takes my advice.
  13. doublestop

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    Wow, I hate to even bring this into the discussion, but is this THE attorney Stephen Jones, from the Oklahoma City bombing trial? If I'm finding the right Stephen Jones, it does appear to be him.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    It depends how long they have lived there...she was TA's daughter-in-law equivalent so before things went south between VB and TA/WR they might have known her pretty well.
  15. doublestop

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    I suspect checking on an abandoned vehicle would be low on their priority list, even if someone had called it in. Cars break down and get left in place while someone picks up the driver and goes for parts.
  16. doublestop

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    But if Jilian pulled a gun, it would have been in self-defense, as she would have had reasonable fear for her life.
  17. doublestop

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    But then they'd have to have disposed of that body too. The easiest way would have been with the two victims, but apparently it was just the two of them there. What would they have done with the other body?
  18. doublestop

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    While I admit my first assumption was also that they were in a well, I wonder why the 16 year old though that...if bodies had been put in wells before by this bunch.

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