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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #34

    So happy that there is a break! Regardless of whether it pans out, it's brought some fresh publicity to LS. I'll be the first to admit, I have always leaned toward 5N being responsible, but I always thought it was at least possible that if she did leave, a stranger could be responsible. JR's...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    I think it's fair to say that each of the 4 main POI could have easily had a motive, regardless of whatever one may think at the moment. For me, I still have too many questions about the 3 at 5N to focus too much attention on JW just yet, who was not witnessed by anyone or caught on video...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    IMO, the silence from the 5N family isn't compassion, but a combination of not knowing LS and her family personally + doing what they think is best for their kid. They would be compassionate (to the Spierers) if they reached out to the Spierers themselves and encouraged their kids to be open...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    I really think you might be reading what Abbey meant wrong. If JW had set his foot down and said she couldn't hang out with CR/others, that would be evidence that he is the possessive/jealous type. LS was an adult and made a decision to go out with people she thought she could trust, which she...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    I agree with your earlier comments on his mom. It lacked the compassion I would think she would have as a mother herself, not to mention LS was someone her son cared about for many years. I agree that at minimum, JW probably has the most knowledge about her usual habits, especially party...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    Ixchel, is there a link showing that the business that hired JW/JW's company to act as a spokesman for was in the same building as JR's company? I used mapquest and they are NOT in the same building and do not even show the same building in their street view. Additionally, one is on WEST Brown...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    I'm not sure how these buildings work, but it's not like these particular POIs are above trying to break into apartment complexes with credit cards or "force" anyway... http://ww.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/06/28/news.qp-3857730.sto
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    Disregard my earlier post. A young woman could be "a little bit older" than a college student. Thanks for the correct quote.
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    Wasn't the bartender described as "older" by the PIs? The article Abbey quoted described the "thud" witness as a "young woman" so it might not be the bartender witness (imo).
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    The lawyer’s statement is brought up as one reason why some have the opinion that MB’s story has changed, which doesn’t require 100% accurate information, which is often not available anyway. Most people are forced to make decisions daily using incomplete information. Opinions are subject to...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    BBM - But isn't that full of assumptions too? UBM - I'm not sure I agree with you. Just because we aren't sure why his lawyer said what he said, doesn't make it irrelevant or meaningless. I like how holly brought up absolutes. I try to stay away from absolutes too because there is a...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    FWIW, here is a link to an earlier post by Abbey listing various statements by Chapman on behalf of MB as well as the PI's summary of that portion of the night regarding MB. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #29
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    Respectfully snipped and bbm. Is it really just barely curious and easily understood and explainable? If so, why hasn't it been explained? It might be as easily explainable as you claim, but there is no way for us to know that as it stands. Even following your own argument, I'm not sure...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    I agree, but would also include she was said to be visiting a boy at the time she supposedly saw LS, not closing the bar. She was just a witness who happened to be a bar manager. Remember, eyewitness identification error or misidentification is the number one cause for wrongful conviction...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    I'm not sure why the link did that. I updated it though and it appears to work now. I'm well aware that it was my link and that the article has been moved or something, which is why I posted a larger excerpt from the same article in my last post. Unfortunately, the part you are referring to...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    I really think that is where most of the confusion is. For the longest time, I also thought she was leaving work and didn't realize she was the same witness visiting a boy. If she's visiting a boy and NOT closing the bar, there's really no issue with the bar closing time because she wasn't...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    How did you read it then? I'm assuming the same way I did - when it was available on lohud, you read it then lol. I have a quote from it that is from elsewhere on the web and it has been quoted several times on this forum as well. <modsnip> I assume the quote is on the second page because...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    Vidocq, If the witness was wrong about the time, how would that impact/change your theory? As a local, what are the rumors that have stuck around that seem the most plausible to you? What is your perception of the crime in the area she was supposedly last seen? Were you in Bloomington at the...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    Yes, I agree about CR entirely. I have never liked the way he has come off between his attitude and how he has never seemed to show any true remorse for how things turned out. At the end of the day, even if he is not involved in the ultimate outcome, if he had just left her at Smallwood, things...
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    IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

    Another alternative: What if CR is telling the truth, MB is telling the truth, and whatever happened, happened after MB left JR's? Maybe MB keeps messing up his stories because he strongly suspects LS didn't leave JR's like JR claims, but he doesn't know for sure? I am pretty sure JR and MB...

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