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  1. SteveP

    Missouri, St. Louis - Teenage girl critically injured after brutal fight with another female teen near Hazelwood East High School, 8 March 2024

    https://www.firstalert4.com/2024/05/01/certification-hearing-hazelwood-teen-accused-violently-beating-kaylee-gain-set-next-week/
  2. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I really almost feel like every one of their planning sessions must have started with "here, hold my beer". JMO
  3. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I don't know about that. I believe there were too many people involved in the plan, in a sparsely populated area where probably almost everyone is acquainted with everyone else. I would almost bet that there are some others that knew at least something of the plan, or the previous one, or had...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I may be wrong, but I suspect that the families have already learned the COD of their loved ones by now. JMO
  5. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Speculation is allowed here, and this is certainly not baseless speculation. We know what TA and gang were capable of and equipped to do, armed with 5 stun guns and at least one hammer, which was somehow broken. Nothing any family member might ever happen to read here could possibly be as bad...
  6. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Respectfully, we don't know what TA's MO is. Really, all that we know about her comes from these murders. But based on what we do know, I would argue that she definitely shows signs of being sadistic, and torture very clearly suits her, in purchasing not one, but five stun guns, so each of the...
  7. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I have never watched the Walking Dead. I am basing my thought on nothing more than the absolute evil the five murderers displayed in killing. We know that TA wanted to inflict as much pain as she could. I think she wanted the fear and pain to last a while, almost like a cat toying with mice. I...
  8. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    This does not quite put it to rest for me. The biggest part of me thinks, and certainly prays, that they were not still alive when buried, but I will not get the thought completely out of my mind until the ME releases the autopsy results and COD, stating that they were not. Speaking of which...
  9. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Those "burner" phones lived up to their nickname, because they sure burned them. JMO
  10. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    CW has never said what she had to clean up, at least not in anything that we have been made privy to, which leads me to hope that perhaps it wasn't blood, or at the very least, not a lot of blood. JMO
  11. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Yep, it's kinda like "thoughts and prayers" from people in power, after mass shootings. Mostly just words. JMO
  12. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    That is an excellent point! The trailer surely had some purpose for being at the crime scene, and in addition to blocking the road, it also could certainly help obstruct the view of anything going on at the Kia. I do think it is possible that one or both of the victims may have been transported...
  13. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    That is possible, but I really believe that as soon as VB saw TA, and TC, who she surely knew as well, she knew she and JK were in great danger. I doubt that they got out of their vehicles smiling. I think they were ready to pounce, and the ladies were probably overtaken before they even had...
  14. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Just out of curiosity, are all of the 5 killers housed in the same jail, for the time being, while awaiting trials? Are there even enough cells to house them all? If they are, I certainly hope they have tight security. JMO
  15. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    My thoughts only differ from yours in that I believe the plan was for someone (PG?) to drive the Kia to the burial site, but until I hear something that would make my gut feeling impossible, I have thought since the moment I first heard that a skid steer was used to predig a hole, that the car...
  16. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    There are not two Cullums. Do you mean Twombly's? We were told that they drove two trucks,
  17. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I could be completely wrong, and often am, but I think the weak link in the group is probably PG. For my scenario, that the car was meant to be driven away, to be correct, someone would have needed to have driven with someone else. I think we can pretty much be sure that each CT drove, as we...
  18. SteveP

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    That is buffet style Christianity. PIck what you want to take and skip over what you want to pass on.

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