Trial Discussion Thread #17
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But shut balcony door doors?.
First of all, although Reeva wasn't confrontational or argumentative as such, it's clear from her texts that she certainly didn't take too kindly to being treated badly (and quite rightly so) and she took OP to task over it every single time by the looks of it (and quite rightly so) .. and I imagine that something like those texts happened that night, where OP treated her badly once again and she stood up to him (which he clearly did not like her keep doing .. the impression I get was that she was becoming a bit of a thorn in his side because he didn't like being told what his faults were).
But, as regards to her not just getting up and leaving that night .. that's what people do in these kinds of relationships .. they stay on longer because they want to try and sort it out and if it takes all night then they will do it. Reeva seemed like the sort of person who would want to sort out their problems .. 'make it all better' .. it's clear that she loved him with all her heart so of course she wanted to try and make the relationship work. She always comes across as a very forgiving sort of person, and I suspect that this is what she did on a number of occasions when he treated her badly, she kept forgiving him, and trying to make the relationship work .. so that night was just yet another occasion where she may have been trying to do that .. and then instead of the argument being resolved, it just escalated. It was getting quite late in the day/night by the time I suspect the disagreement was brewing, and in SA I doubt it's a good thing for a woman to being driving about on the roads on her own at that time of night, so basically she was trapped there. Sadly, it turns out she was more in danger of her life in that house than she would've been out on the road.
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He had just spoken with her.....so he knew she was up, yet, thought somebody else went to his potty room ?
Not been nit picky her but daughters don't tell there mothers everything so it may be that she was but didn't say anything to her mother ?
Some of her tweets infer she had some issues in previous relationships and the fact that she was just about to make a speech does indicate she may have .
Maybe it was emotional abuse not physical ?
Some victims of abuse feel embarrassed / ashamed to tell other people about it which is why it often has gone on for a long time .
This can be the case with lots of forms of bullying . My daughter was once being bullied at school . She had said nothing but fortunately her friend came and told me so I was able to have it dealt with . To this day I am still surprised that she had put up with it without speaking out to me or her teachers .
That is a possibility but I don't know how a bunch of people who didn't know her would know that she was abused and her own mother wouldn't, especially if she was ashamed/embarrassed to talk about it. Her tweets are fairly vague, and her mother speculated that people assumed she was abused because she an outspoken anti abuse advocate and spoke at events.
Right, if the balcony was open so the fans could blow the fresh air on to them and he brought them in he may have felt they didn't need to be open anymore. I can relate to that. If they were already plugged in he wouldn't need to search for the outlet.
Lol, and here we are again.
I think the majority of us know that's it's very likely that the balcony doors and bathroom window were in fact open all night, it's so obvious how the Reeva opened bathroom window part is total nonsense, it makes no sense at all.
That's fine .. just that you've not convinced me on it yet! Take a look of the pix of the bathroom door again and see how close the bottom of it against the floor tiles .. it looks like it only just scraping above them .. I seriously don't see how you would be able to see anything underneath it and certainly nowhere enough to give any visual information about where to shoot.
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I can find no comment from June either confirming or denying a past history of abuse. If it is a rumour, it's a very pervasive one.
http://www.cosmopolitan.co.uk/lifestyle/big-issue/oscar-pistorius-reeva-steenkamp-death
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/the-speech-reeva-never-gave-1.1471181#.Uz0ZJ_ldWMO
http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news...aw-it-coming-reeva-steenkamps-uncle-says?lite
When I lived in Europe I remember the bathroom doors would be flush against the ground. I think that's just how they are made, though I don't want to generalize.
Excellent post KT.
And coupling the 5th phone issue to statements made in his affidavit—making I teven more incriminating, Kudos to you.
Of course, it is already a serious crime to remove evidence from a crime scene.
Why was 14 days needed before handing it to people DT saw everyday? HINT: That phone could have been far away for a while… What other reason for not handing it in right away to people they saw everyday?
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No chain of custody for 14 days screams possible alteration of data. No investigation by Pros, or asking for one by the judges, screams or hints at collusion and double standard for OP.
Someone had posted the quote from Reeva's mother June. I will see if I can find it.
Sorry I am a bit confused now . Which people that didn't know her have stated that she was abused ? We are just hypothesising here .
However we do know that her friends father had to speak to OP which is surprising considering the short length of their relationship .
People that didn't know her as in rumors. However, if her uncle had said it, that is different. I still don't know how her uncle would know and not her own mother.
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but no lights on yet, correct?
It's hard for me to link to the Daily Mail, lol, but here is Steenkamp's notes from the speech she planned to give the day after her death. In her own words, notes for the speech about domestic abuse and a previous emotionally abusive relationship.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...k-previous-abusive-relationship-shooting.html
5. I was in an abusive relationship at the same time (his mother used to abuse him) and all together these factors encouraged my move to Jozi.
Plus, the mother has been quoted in interviews as having a stern phone conversation with Pistorius about his reckless speeding that scared Steenkamp. Steenkamp also told her that Pistorius had been arguing a lot in the weeks just prior to the shooting.
Well going back to my daughter . I had kept noticing some really bad bruises on her legs and had asked her about it . She had assured me she had just hurt herself accidentally . Because she was accident prone I accepted her explanation. A few weeks later a boy from her class asked if he could speak to me and told me that he had seen my daughter being assaulted by another boy in the class several times and again that day . He begged me not to tell the teachers he had told me but thought it was serious enough to warrant attention
When my daughter came out of school I could see immediately that she had a large bloody scrape down her leg .
When I told her that someone had told me she was being bullied she told me everything .
This being the case I still feel that it is possible that IF Reeva was or had been abused in anyway she may not have told her mother JMO
Well, it appears from the quote provided by Kate that the abuse was of a controlling/emotional nature so her mother may not have seen physical evidence, in that case.
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