Oscar Pistorius Defense

SweetT said:

I still say he's guilty..It's a shame, but unfortunately that is what I think. JMO

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PrimeSuspect said:

~Respectfully snipped~



Thank you so much for your posts AJ, you've certainly done a lot research and it's a treat to read.
I just wanted to highlight where OP describes his usual gym session, he physically and psychologically exerts himself till he throws up.

This is why I don't put much credence in his puking in the kitchen witnessed by Carissa and during the trial when photo evidence of Reeva's injuries were shown. I think being emotionally distraught he could vomit at will with very little effort. I mention this because there have been supporters who see this as some kind of proof of his innocense. jmho

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AJ_DS said:

You raise many valid points… and I agree with most of them.

I believe one should not read into the granting of bail as a form of favoritism…

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AJ_DS said:

Apologies if this subject has been previously analyzed and discussed.


Although Oscar strongly suggests that he wants to face Reeva in bed, his own version of events clearly demonstrate the opposite, Oscar’s apathy towards Reeva… When Oscar woke up and didn’t look at Reeva when she talked to him… Oscar didn’t look or talk to Reeva after he heard the window open… Oscar didn’t look at Reeva when he whispered to her to get down and call the police and he wasn't expecting her to respond anything.

Since Oscar was suffering from his shoulder injury for at least a month prior to the shooting, one would have expected that Oscar's stuff would have EITHER slowly migrated from the right-hand side of the bed to the left-hand side over the past month OR would have been purposefully moved until his injury had healed and he could go back to his usual side of the bed.

This was obviously NOT the case : Oscar's hair clipper, books, binders, extra bullet magazine clip, etc… were ALL found on the right-hand side of the bed !!… whilst the left-hand side was void of any clutter or personal items (as one would expect from the side of the visiting girlfriend)

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cottonweaver said:

I don't remember them covered so methodically, thankyou. Find your posts very engrossing.
Anyway I want to agree strongly with points about not looking at Reeva at any point after her "final words" when he's just woken up- I believe its pretty unlikely in a brand new relationship. (Not so much with a longstanding married couple)
But on your other point re migration of his personal belongings from r-l he did say in his testimony that as she did not stay over regularly he simply slept in the middle of the bed when alone- which is entirely plausible don't you think?

PS Just read your timelines - great !

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AJ_DS said:

Oscar states he is an 'extreme sports junkie' who commits himself 100% in his endeavors… this is the only lifestyle he knew and thrived upon during the past 10 years : training, diet, competing.

If Oscar's professional athletic career was over it meant giving up the only thing he was passionate about and finding something else to commit himself 100% !

Since he wasn't particularly good at anything else (except perhaps shooting guns), one can imagine the psychological distress Oscar Pistorius must have been enduring since the London 2012 Olympics.

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Cherwell said:

(My bold)

Since shooting is a competitive sport, and one where proficiency isn't dependent on age, that could actually have been a possible avenue for him to pursue.

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FromGermany said:

Roll-up for the silent treatment

16 June 2014By James Morton (lawgazette)


From a distance this seems to have some of the admirable qualities of the ‘rolled-up plea’: ‘I wasn’t there; if I was I didn’t do it; if I was there and did it, it was an accident; if I was there, did do it and it wasn’t an accident, I am mad’.

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cottonweaver said:

Realise it's totally off topic thread but I'd been looking at some of the likely SA prisons - obviously they are horrific and there's a lot of talk of him having to pay protection money inside to stay safe.

Anyway came across this which is more shocking - if you haven't read it.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-cou...-s-killers-warns-oscar-1.1656398#.U6NjBc2viPU

And shocking in that some low life can even get to say this through the Press:

'The “General” of the feared 26s prison gang, Khalil Subjee, said should the Paralympic athlete be convicted and jailed for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, his wealth would not buy him a lavish prison lifestyle – instead he would “be taken out”.

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cottonweaver said:

Thanks FromGermany but when she wanted the rolling of the eyeballs it was to signal a bored response so unfortunately the fence sitting icon is not right.

But thankyou for the offering though.

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AJ_DS said:

Samantha Taylor (ST)

– ST said Oscar always left his 4949 business phone charging in the kitchen.
– ST said that when Oscar went to bed he took off his prosthetic and put them next to him.
– ST said that when Oscar went to bed he put his gun either on top of the bedside table or on top of his prosthetics.
– ST said Oscar always kept his 0020 personal phone with him at all times, even when in bed or when going to bathroom.
– ST said OP used his 0020 phone 4 to 5 times every night in bed before going to sleep.
– ST said Oscar charged his 0020 phone in his bedroom.
– ST said Oscar was very jumpy at night about noises in his house.
– ST said that on 2 to 3 occasions OP woke her up during the night and asked her if she had heard a noise.
– ST said that Oscar took his gun, got out of bed and investigated those noises.
– ST said Oscar got up in the morning at around 5AM.


Reeva Steenkamp (RS)

– RS wrote Oscar on 11 February : "Baby can I cook for you on Thursday? What can you eat this week?"

RS was planning to cook Oscar a Valentine's Day dinner and she needed to know what he could eat that week… a clear indication that Oscar was indeed in a period of training where he had a very specific weekly diet.


Professor Gert Saayman (PrGS)

– PrGS said that Reeva ate approximately 2 hours prior to her death.

According to all the evidence, Reeva died approximately around 3:15AM… so her last meal was around 1:15AM

For one to eat, 3 conditions must generally be met : i) One must be awake ii) One must be hungry iii) One must have access to food like in a kitchen


Estelle van der Merwe (EVDM)

– EVDM woke up and heard sounds of woman involved in an argument, a woman talking in a loud voice.
– EVDM looked over at the clock it was 1:56AM.
– EVDM went to the bedroom windows which looks out onto Farm Inn believing the sound originated from there.
– EVDM couldn’t see anything… she couldn’t determine from which direction that voice was coming from.
– EVDM said this argument wasn’t continuous; it started and stopped many times with varying intervals.
– EVDM couldn’t hear the other party involved in this argument.
– EVDM said she couldn’t make out the language or what the woman was saying.
– EVDM was sure it was a woman’s voice because of the pitch and “movements” in the voice.
– EVDM says this argument latest for about 1 hour and irritated her.
– EVDM went a second time to the bedroom windows but still couldn’t see anything.
– EVDM didn’t go to the bedroom balcony because she didn’t want to wake her husband.
– EVDM placed a pillow over her head in hopes of falling back asleep.

Around 3AM…

– EVDM heard 4 loud bangs around 3:00AM.
– EVDM’s husband woke up from those bangs and said to EVDM that those bangs were gunshots.
– EVDM didn’t hear the woman’s voice before the shooting.
– Mr. VDM went to the bedroom windows to see what was happening.
– Mr. VDM couldn’t see anything and got back into bed.
– EVDM said it was complete silence after the 4 gunshots.
– EVDM didn’t hear any other bangs, noises or any screams

Some time after...

– EVDM and her husband heard a commotion some time after.
– Mr. VDM called security to know what was happening.
– EVDM then heard someone crying out loudly.
– EVDM asked her husband who was crying and he responded that he thought it was Oscar.

21 February 2014 between 2AM and 3AM (sound tests)…

– EVDM woke up from 2 male voices talking loudly as if they were involved in a fight.
– EVDM went to the bedroom windows believing the sound originated from there…but couldn’t see anything.
– EVDM then went to the bedroom balcony where she saw that the lights were on inside Oscar’s house.
– EVDM saw 2 men outside arguing in front of Oscar’s house next to a white SUV.
– EVDM did not hear a male and a female in Oscar’s bedroom screaming as loud as they could.

EVDM could not hear the screaming tests on 21 February : those were conducted in Oscar's bedroom… confirming why she did not hear the screaming on 14 February : she cannot hear noises that originate from the back of Oscar's house (except the gunshots).

EDVM did hear the arguing tests on 21 February : those were done in front of Oscar's house… she went first to the bedroom windows that faces Farm Inn believing the sound originated from there… EXACTLY as she had done twice on 14 February and same as her husband had done once… again she saw nothing… she then went to the bedroom balcony doors that faces Oscar's house… there she saw exactly what she was hearing : 2 men arguing.

EDVM also heard what she thought was a woman crying on 14 February… This was heard "some time after" the gunshots and moments after the "commotion".

What was this commotion ? The ONLY thing that could be perceived as a commotion in that timeline was all the cars and individuals in front of Oscar's house : i) Arrival of Pieter Baba and Jacob Mohave in the security buggy ii) Arrival of Carice and Johan Stander in the mini-Cooper iii) Departure of Pieter Baba and Jacob Mohave in the security buggy iv) Arrival of Dr. Johan Stipp in his car.

What followed immediately after that commotion ? Oscar carried and laid Reeva's body at the bottom of the stairs where he cried and prayed loudly.

Where are these stairs located ? The stairs land in Oscar's kitchen which is situated at the front of Oscar's house… in fact, Oscar's kitchen projects forward from the main building, much further forward than the front door and the garage doors… the kitchen is at the very front of Oscar's house and is the closest to EDVM's house.

When coming down the stairs, you are facing the kitchen which is 2-3 meters in front of you, the dining-room is 2-3 meters immediately to your right, the front door of the house is 2-3 meters immediately to your left, the living-room is 2-3 meters behind the stairs.

Photo taken from the kitchen entrance looking at the stairs
Photo taken from the dining-room entrance looking at the bottom stairs, the front door and the kitchen
Photo taken from the dining-room entrance looking at the dining-room
Photo taken from the front door looking at the living-room and part of the stairs

Why could EVDM hear Oscar's crying loudly but she could not clearly make out the argument between 2AM and 3AM ? Oscar's front door was wide open when he was crying and praying at the bottom of the stairs, as stated by Dr. Stipp and Johan Stander.

This confirms and proves 2 things :

1. EDVM can in fact hear what is happening at Oscar's house as long as it is happening towards the front of his house.

2. EDVM can in fact identify where the sounds are coming from : the sounds that originate from the front of Oscar's house are heard in EDVM's bedroom as coming from Farm Inn.

------- THAT would indicate that the arguing EDVM heard between 2AM and 3AM was in fact coming from Oscar's house and that the persons arguing were NOT in the back of Oscar's house like the bedroom BUT towards the front of the house like the kitchen.

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AJ_DS said:

– EVDM woke up and heard sounds of woman involved in an argument, a woman talking in a loud voice.
– EVDM looked over at the clock it was 1:56AM.
– EVDM went to the bedroom windows which looks out onto Farm Inn believing the sound originated from there.
– EVDM couldn’t see anything… she couldn’t determine from which direction that voice was coming from.
– EVDM said this argument wasn’t continuous; it started and stopped many times with varying intervals.
– EVDM couldn’t hear the other party involved in this argument.
– EVDM said she couldn’t make out the language or what the woman was saying.
– EVDM was sure it was a woman’s voice because of the pitch and “movements” in the voice.
– EVDM says this argument latest for about 1 hour and irritated her.
– EVDM went a second time to the bedroom windows but still couldn’t see anything.
– EVDM didn’t go to the bedroom balcony because she didn’t want to wake her husband.
– EVDM placed a pillow over her head in hopes of falling back asleep.


– EVDM and her husband heard a commotion some time after.
– Mr. VDM called security to know what was happening.
– EVDM then heard someone crying out loudly.
– EVDM asked her husband who was crying and he responded that he thought it was Oscar.


EDVM also heard what she thought was a woman crying on 14 February… This was heard "some time after" the gunshots and moments after the "commotion".

What followed immediately after that commotion ? Oscar carried and laid Reeva's body at the bottom of the stairs where he cried and prayed loudly.

[Why could EVDM hear Oscar's crying loudly but she could not clearly make out the argument between 2AM and 3AM ? Oscar's front door was wide open when he was crying and praying at the bottom of the stairs, as stated by Dr. Stipp and Johan Stander.

This confirms and proves 2 things :

1. EDVM can in fact hear what is happening at Oscar's house as long as it is happening towards the front of his house.

2. EDVM can in fact identify where the sounds are coming from : the sounds that originate from the front of Oscar's house are heard in EDVM's bedroom as coming from Farm Inn.

------- THAT would indicate that the arguing EDVM heard between 2AM and 3AM was in fact coming from Oscar's house and that the persons arguing were NOT in the back of Oscar's house like the bedroom BUT towards the front of the house like the kitchen.

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