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She did it herself. And there was a strong smell of peroxide in one of the bathrooms, that morning when investigators arrived.
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She did it herself. And there was a strong smell of peroxide in one of the bathrooms, that morning when investigators arrived.
And the coroner did say in his report that her hair was freshly (evenly) colored. So her mother may very well have done it that day. JBR had already annoyed her mother by spurning the MyTwinn doll; she was also supposedly not feeling well that day and probably cranky, then she refused to wear the outfit PR wanted her to wear. Put all of this together with yet another bed/clothing soiling, mix in a few alcoholic drinks and some Klonipin and you have the perfect recipe for a rage/accidental killing.
JaneInOz, you're almost there! Now put it all together:
A child made to look very beautiful
A child trained to be "sexy" in a way that appeals to adult men
A child trained to do whatever an adult tells her to do
The possibilities for disaster boggle the mind!
But..but .. but Dave..doesnt that go to the *eek* conspiracy theories ? or the sexual theories ? (mind control) (next door - whites - suspicion - on the eldest male white - theory - child *advertiser censored* - etc etc etc)
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Well, if you are a six year old and all you got for Christmas was jewelry, a bike that you are not allowed to ride yet, and a lookalike doll that was just for looking at......while your big brother received one of those fancy new Nintendos..........would you smile?
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Except there is no evidence linking the Whites to the murder. None. (Nancy Krebs' lies aren't evidence. She has a long history of calling LE to be a "witness" in high profile murder cases which started before the murder of JBR; nothing she said was ever corroborated; AND she said John Ramsey raped her and filmed it when she was a child.)
There is no reasonable explanation for why PATSY would write a ransom note to cover for a child sex ring in her own daughter's murder, nor why Patsy and John would obstruct the investigation into that murder to protect someone NOT related to them, etc.
I suppose you COULD go that way if you wanted to do that. My brother, I know does. But that was not the point I was trying to make.
My point was that you have to remember why children make such good victims for molesters and the like. If you believe that JonBenet had been victimized before her death (and I do), you have to factor in why.
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I go for the 'family factor' as well.JB was being trained for more than just pageants,IMO;she was being trained for sexual behavior within the family realm.For one thing,I find it odd that 'Patsy the known slob' would be diligent enough to already have JB's sheets washed and in the dryer bf the housekeeper even got there..or is it just me??? was she possibly trying to hide something more than bedwetting?
Just thinking about that smell of peroxide, and Patsy's comment about there not appearing to be any blood on the ?curtains (can't recall the exact quote) in JB's room. Could the smell be because someone had cleaned up blood (say from JB's nose)? I haven't seen if any forensic tests were done for the prescense of blood - does anyone know?
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If I recall correctly, the Whites are off-limits here to any insinuations since their trip to Hell and back have been more than covered needlessly over the years. They are Heros' - nothing more, nothing less. Period.
I believe what PR said when she was in JBR's room that time was "I don't see any blood, do you?" Now, no one had even mentioned blood to her, and in fact, there was no blood apparent on the body when it was found. Her head bash wasn't even discovered until the autopsy. The evidence of blood that was wiped from her thighs and pubic area was only visible under black light (ultraviolet) at autopsy. There was "tan" mucous from her mouth and nose, and of course, that "tan" color was from blood that had dried. And internally there was only a few red blood cells and reddish hyperemia (inflammation).
We all KNOW there was bleeding because of the autopsy. There had to have been enough blood to make it necessary to wipe off her. There was blood under the scalp and on the brain. But that was seen by no one but the coroner and those attending the autopsy. So it is suspicious that PR mentions blood. If she mentioned blood- she was there to see it. And that means she saw blood coming from JBR's mouth, nose, and vagina.
Peroxide could be used to clean up blood- chlorine bleach too. I have seen that "peroxide smell" mentioned as smell of bleach.
One thing about JRB's hair. If PR colored it herself, it was likely with an at-home frosting/highlighting kit. JBR's hair was highlighted, not overall dyed. But PR also colored her own hair, and even hair coloring for dark hair contains peroxide. Some do, some don't- depends on the formula.
But both peroxide and bleach are common household items. If there was blood to be cleaned up, it wouldn't have been hard to do.
What ?
Sorry but Ive only just weighed into the debate over who did it / didnt do it, did what theorizing in the past week or so.....
What happened to free speech?
One could state Patsy and John have been to hell and back etc (for those that believe they didnt do it) so they shouldnt have insinuations thrown at them etc
Why are the whites heroes ?
And could a mod clarify if they are *off limits* ? please ?
Just as a note on no evidence etc, I wasnt saying that they murdered JBR I was asking whether they were involved in any *other* way , child sex ring/ helping to cover up etc
Didnt they W's and the R's also fall out after the murder ?
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LOL...NOPE, I would be rather pissed (can I say that word without being banned?) myself. My guess is that she had a few choice words for that doll, and it made Patsy mad...and THAT is why Patsy's eyes are all swollen, and her face is red. She (Patsy) probably cried because she got her little feelings hurt.
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Even though I know for certain that Patsy did bleach JB's hair. I have to agree with you on the peroxide smell. She was talking about the curtains hanging above JB's bed when she said, "I don't see any blood on them, do you?" Yeah, the peroxide could have been used to clean the blood. As a matter of fact...that is what some nurses that I know use...when they get blood on their clothes. I have also read that in Tips from Heloise...peroxide takes out blood.
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To even insinuate that the White's had anything whatsoever with this crime, is absolutely ridiculous, in the first place. NO evidence linking them to the crime, is right. ALSO...a huge sign that they had nothing to do with it, is....the PARTY that the Ramsey's went to was AT THE WHITE'S. I do believe that the other party goers would have noticed it, if the hosts of the party suddenly left, and was gone for a long time. The "intruder" was said to have been in the Ramsey home for a hour or more...well duh...the Ramsey's were at the WHITE'S at the time that the "intruder" was there waiting on them. The White's couldn't have been in two places at once. Besides, from what I have read about the White's they are fantastic people, and pillars of the community. They had absolutely nothing to do with this. PERIOD! (and an exclamation mark).
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Jane in Oz: (LOVE your avatar, big fan of Tim Burton's animated movies, not to mention, Johnny Depp.)
I"m not a moderator, but until you get one's attention, I'll give it a go and hope we don't BOTH get in trouble: :behindbar :behindbar
I'm sure you didn't know the policy here on the Whites, as you're new. I think there is a sticky somewhere, or there used to be about this. It has been a policy for a couple of years now, I think, that the Whites are not to be disparaged here. Yes, it's censorship, but this is a privately owned site and the owner has every right to make this decision. She does so because of a long history of the Whites being run over by that infamous RST BUS. This has not only been a harmful burden on that entire family, but has also spilled over into the case forums with such a depth of enmity that some finally were taken offline forever. There were a lot of dirty tricks played during this heated war as well, and those of us who were attacked aren't likely to ever forget. WS forum owner Tricia was on the front lines and this has a lot to do with her decision to keep that from happening here. She didn't have this policy always; it took more of the same old same old to get there.
It always gets VEEEEEEEEEERY ugly, and those who perpetuated the Nancy Krebs scam against the Whites are still around on some forums, still posting and defending her lies and refusing to even consider that Krebs was totally discredited by LE. Not to mention, anyone can read the LE interview transcripts with Krebs and see the woman is seriously disturbed--her long history of interjecting herself into high profile murders, pre-JonBenet, is discussed with her by LE; her clearly delusional state is revealed in her own words. Her wingnut status was revealed in the case records which have been released to the public and published online.
No matter; some people repeat lies about the Whites based on Krebs' accusations, though dismissing her accusations against John Ramsey as "her understandable confusion", but then declaring anything she said against the Whites is NOT confused...even though those accusations are not substantiated by any evidence, either. Her "information" in relation to the Ramsey murder is nothing but her saying she was TOLD this and that by others, but those claims were discredited by the persons Krebs' claimed TOLD her "blahblahblah", not to mention by every single person at the White party on Dec. 25th AND the Ramseys! Believe me when I say NO IDI with HALF A BRAIN buys into Krebs' GOSSIP that "Patsy and John were also child sex ring members who were there that night" or had some kind of involvement. You see, Krebs accused THE RAMSEYS of being involved, as well. She just wants attention, like PERV Karr, for example.
So, if I don't get banned for even posting this explanation to you...heh, I'm a human sacrifice, I am: Basically, to stop the never-ending damage to the forums and the Whites by the group of people who love to bring down forums over it, this forum owner said enough and no more.
Hope this helps. If you feel this topic is something you want to explore--and yes, we understand the Whites are forever entwined with this awful murder, even if they were saints on earth--there are other forums where you can. Here it's best to stick to other theories. :angel:
hey ... thanks for the refresher on the frenzy, finger pointing and hysteria in Boulder and online .... the more I read the more I come to understand the devestating nature of this terrible crime.
Hope you're not sacrificed, KoldKase. *smile
Mellow crowd at the WS JBR Forum, so hopefully , no worries.
Hope you're not sacrificed, KoldKase. *smile
Mellow crowd at the WS JBR Forum, so hopefully , no worries.
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Thank you, KK.......I told you that there is a need that you and only you so can perfectly deliver!!! :clap::clap::clap:
My freedom of speech allows me to comment on the mere fact that NO parent waits for FOUR months to cooperate with law enforcement after their child was found murdered......unless as the last statement that was not a lie from John.....It's an Inside Job.
The Q's and The Whites don't lie -
RR
My freedom of speech allows me to comment on the mere fact that NO parent waits for FOUR months to cooperate with law enforcement after their child was found murdered......unless as the last statement that was not a lie from John.....It's an Inside Job.
The Q's and The Whites don't lie -
RR