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Drivenon said:
Fascinating, you made it later than I and thank you. I have a question for the pros that has been weighing heavily on my ability to understand charts of the "bad guys".. If we already know these are seriously evil, creepy guys, when we see the potential for harming Haleigh, wouldnt all of them show that? How does one differeniate that and the possibility of direct involvement?

In other words, there is one in particular that concerns me, if you were to assume involvement, what would I see potentially that would differ from the garden variety skeeve?
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I am probably the most conservative astrologer posting, Drivenon, and am reluctant to run charts on individuals that have not been definitively connected to the case by Law Enforcement.

Particularly when we do not have an exact birth time, for this ties down the most personal parts of the natal charts of the individuals we are considering. These are the ascendants, midheavens, Moons, and important midpoints in cross aspect.

You are right, in my opinion, in wondering how to differentiate definitive involvement from the "garden variety skeeve". And this is why I worry about making assumptions.

That said, Mary, who has posted above, makes the point that she hopes the guy is checked out, not that she thinks he is the guilty one, so please keep that in mind.

Also remember that we astrologers are not to predict, for that is considered sinful in the Bible, for very good reason. There is a difference between forecasting when the astrological "weather" might be bad, and prediction. One is general, the other specific.
 
KAITLAND said:
Hi sweet Lovejac! The answer to your question is yes. I am very suspicious of that Capricorn Mercury... and as I posted earlier, I have also considered that Misty was NOT at home. I think the 2300 chart it could represent a visitor - the predator maybe, or an invited male guest, or perhaps a phone call.

I will mention here that I probably should have waited until I was able to write a detailed analysis before posting the series of charts. The last verifiable time Haleigh was seen was by the A/C man and visitors between 5-5:30pm on 2/9. This was verified by LE. Misty SAYS she last saw Haleigh at 10pm. I think we can learn very insightful information by looking at a series of charts from the 5:30pm time slot all the way through to the 911 call. I simply did not have enough time to go into a deep and detailed analysis, or run earlier charts (say from 7pm - 3:27am). When I get back from my trip, I'm going to take a look at the earlier ones and will expound on the ones I already posted.

I am supposed to be packing!
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Excellent post on the last seen time, Kaitland, and this is the time we should be using for forensic work! Other charts can be cast, of course, but the "last seen" time is the foundation, and it should be by a reliable witness.
 
For those of you without software to cast the chart for "last seen by the AC Repairman... here it is. Can you all print out these charts?

If not, go to Photobucket, and look up my pages there. All the charts are posted for both Caylee, the USA, and Haleigh. Look for "housemouse43"

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housemouse said:
I am probably the most conservative astrologer posting, Drivenon, and am reluctant to run charts on individuals that have not been definitively connected to the case by Law Enforcement.

Particularly when we do not have an exact birth time, for this ties down the most personal parts of the natal charts of the individuals we are considering. These are the ascendants, midheavens, Moons, and important midpoints in cross aspect.

You are right, in my opinion, in wondering how to differentiate definitive involvement from the "garden variety skeeve". And this is why I worry about making assumptions.

That said, Mary makes the point that she hopes the guy is checked out, not that she thinks he is the guilty one, so please keep that in mind.

Also remember that we astrologers are not to predict, for that is considered sinful in the Bible, for very good reason. There is a difference between forecasting when the astrological "weather" might be bad, and prediction. One is general, the other specific.
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Thank you for your kind explanation Housemouse, that makes sense.
I am the person that provided the 6 add'l So's to be charted, based on their profile, logistics, proclivity and access. As I mentioned earlier a colleague of mine recently educated in this area, was my basis for including them, I would not be privy for sure but if I had to guess she also may know something I do not ( and would not tell me as it would be posted here in a heartbeat!)

I feel strongly they should all be charted, lest something is found. If nothing else, we are really mirroring what is going on behind the scenes with LE, just a different resource, imo.

Keep up the phenominal work, Kaitland if you miss your trip your welcome to stay here and contribute !! Lol, kidding, enjoy!
 
aksleuth said:
Florida birth certificates are much help usually. They are the barest birth certificates I've ever seen - no time of birth, no city of birth, just child's name, gender of the child, county of birth, and names of the parents. It gives date of birth, date information was filed, certificate number, and date it was issued. So I don't hold out much hope. Astrologically and genealogically, they are the most useless birth records I've ever encountered


Welcome Jazzy. Your information has been enlightening. Thank you for taking time to share with us.


Girlfriend Under Investigation In Missing Girl Case

http://www.wftv.com/news/18738704/detail.html#-

LE's seriously considering the tips about Mistie being out of the home, kids left alone.
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Thanks for the heads up AKSleuth. No need to waste time or money getting it then! It was just a thought! :)
 
KAITLAND said:
According to report on GVS, Misty had the A/C repairman, her brother and a "few of his friends" at the house between 5:00 - 5:30. This chart is set for 5:15p.m. on 2/19/09, Satsuma, FL.


Leo is on the Ascendant (assigned to the GF as “hostess” for want of better word) accompanied by rising moon in Leo (which is conjunct Haleigh’s natal Sun). Note that Leo is the natural ruler of children, and is the ruler of Haleigh’s natal sun. We find the Sun in Aquarius in the 7th house, conjunct Neptune and Chiron. The 7th house rules guests and Neptune rules kidnappers. Could it be the girlfriend knows the kidnapper?

The child is ruled by the Jupiter 5th house cusp and Venus in Aries in 9th house. Jupiter and the North node of fate are conjunct the 7th house cusp of visitors, along with Mars, ruler of Aries Venus (the child), showing Haleigh was present and in view of the guests.

It is my understanding that MC’s brother was there with his friends. Her brother is ruled by 3rd house cusp Libra. Venus (the child!) is in Aries, look again to its ruler Mars in the 6th house. This house also rules service workers (like our meter reader). Does the brother know the A/C man? This is a small town, so it is not inconceivable that they knew each other. At any rate, they are together during this “visit”.

Her brother’s friends would be represented by the ascendant in Leo, points us back to the Sun in Aquarius conjunct Neptune. There is some mystery here to be uncovered yet. There is also a possibility of drug activity.
The Aquarian 7th house is ruled by Uranus. It is also co-ruled by Saturn, placed in the 2nd house in tragic opposition to Uranus in Pisces in the 8th house of death. 8th house is natural ruler of Pluto, ruler of kidnappers. Pluto is found in the 5th house of the child, in Capricorn (Saturn’s sign) and is square Venus in Aries. The 4th house cusp (endings) is Pluto ruled Scorpio.

I do not think the assailant is unknown to this family. Not welcomed or assisted, but they have been in his presence before.

On the other hand, Venus the child is located in the 9th house – outdoors. Was she playing in the yard, unattended during this time? Was she visible to someone lurking and watching? With all the activity and confusion (Neptune) going on due to the presence of at least 4 or so visitors,
she might not have been missed.

As Tuba points out in the eerie moonrise chart (drawn up for about an hour later than the visitors) – the trouble has already started in this house. Soulscape’s chart for the last time seen was chilling in revealing the symbolism of death.

I do not think the assailant is unknown to this family.

We still have questions: How did the perpetrator get into the house? Front door? Back door? Is girl friend upset/guilty appearing because she maybe left a door unlocked?

I will have more to say on this chart, but the computer guy is coming within 30 minutes.

Soulscape and Tuba are the master’s at event readings here, but I wanted to post this chart as a possible glimpse into the hours before Haleigh went missing. Please feel free to comment!

(It would not let me post the chart! Will try again after computer whiz leaves)
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Thank you for that chart Housemouse. I am bumping up my chart and analysis I posted a few days ago. It is set for only 5 minutes later than yours.

Here is the link to the chart:

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv74/kaitland8/visitors2-9-095-530pm.jpg
 
Just remembered a question that's been in the back of my mind. As we ponder whether Misty could have left the trailor and propped the back door open herself......why would she have done this? Why wouldn't she just use the front door as she normally did. It's my understanding that the trailer is in a secluded area, so it's not likely she was trying to avoid the prying eyes of any neighbors.

However, it would give someone a distinct advantage to prop open the back door to make an easier exit, if he (or she) actually carried Haleigh out.

We might be able to shed some light on those questions if we can narrow down the timing of Haleigh's last moments in that trailer.

And that brings me to another question: wouldn't the abductor leave footprints on the trail? or tire tracks if in a car? LE said child's footprint was found...no mention of anyone else. LE keeping everything very close to the vest.

We have an active Neptune in this case (see the chart for the 911 call) = deception.
 
housemouse said:
For those of you without software to cast the chart for "last seen by the AC Repairman... here it is. Can you all print out these charts?

If not, go to Photobucket, and look up my pages there. All the charts are posted for both Caylee, the USA, and Haleigh. Look for "housemouse43"

HaleighLastSeen.jpg
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Just a brief comment from the clock addict. Assuming that the air conditioner repairman is straight and can tell time, this is a reliable chart. As you said in an earlier post, one cannot count on the beneficence of Jupiter. And certainly not on warm and fuzzy feelings from Mercury.

Jupiter is in the House of caretaking and suggests a Sagittarian but is in the Sign on House 7. Instead of performing a service, she does a disservice from the sector of the public's enemies. Also in this House but in one of the death aspects, a quincunx, is Mercury the natural ruler of caretakers, babysitters, nannies et al to the Leo Moon suggesting a Leo child.

I feel your chart puts the responsibility squarely upon our liable party. And, as always, I appreciate the LOOK of your horoscopes.
 
Drivenon said:
khaki. I am not an astrologer, nor do I play one on Tv. A colleauge of mine has just went through case study training on forensic psychology of the pedophile. After pretty much stalking her own children and not sleeping at night because it scared her so badly, she shared with me that the academic and scientific community (LE was on to this forever already) that it is an imposibility to reform or rehabilitate a pedophile completely. Given to their own devices, short of castration (doesnt count because it still does not supress thoughts) off meds, out of custody, out of supervision, THESE PEOPLE WILL RE OFFEND. The web access has made them considerably more agile in hiding their illness, which could compound the problem.
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This is a fact that has been proven time and time again. This is why I do not understand WHY they are let out to begin with. I would gladly pay taxes to have them all put on some remote island(rather than feed them), and let them harm each other rather than our children.
 
I was checking my "Forensic Astrology" by Dave Campbell, and notice that the asteroid "Hercules", or "Heracles" is within a degree of Haleigh's Mars (on the date of her disappearance).

Heracles carries the symbology of "he killed his wife and children".

Have any of you astro-sleuthers discovered whether any of the usual suspects have that kind of "rap sheet"? Of course, this could be metaphoric in meaning, not literal. So, who among the offenders being scrutinized by LE might have destroyed his family in some way?

Am continuing to research the charts....
 
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KAITLAND said:
Just remembered a question that's been in the back of my mind. As we ponder whether Misty could have left the trailor and propped the back door open herself......why would she have done this? Why wouldn't she just use the front door as she normally did. It's my understanding that the trailer is in a secluded area, so it's not likely she was trying to avoid the prying eyes of any neighbors. .
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I was wondering about this yesterday evening. If Misty propped the door, could she have done it during the time the reported reletive delivered clothes? That is where the laundry room is. And if it were the same relatives as those that were there at 5-5:30, it would fit the in with the charts as stuff already being set into motion. Dunno.
 
housemouse has a request can all of our super sleuthers help her out on this request if possible?

I'll help later on but right now busy with the media for Caylee & Haleigh's case both at the same time today!! :crazy: When I get a chance I'll help too! TIA :blowkiss:

Message request from housemouse:
I was checking my "Forensic Astrology" by Dave Campbell, and notice that the asteroid "Hercules", or "Heracles" is within a degree of Haleigh's Mars (on the date of her disappearance).

Heracles carries the symbology of "he killed his wife and children".

Have any of you astro-sleuthers discovered whether any of the usual suspects have that kind of "rap sheet"? Of course, this could be metaphoric in meaning, not literal. So, who among the offenders being scrutinized by LE might have destroyed his family in some way?
Am continuing to research the charts....

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Khaki_Pants said:
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I was wondering about this yesterday evening. If Misty propped the door, could she have done it during the time the reported reletive delivered clothes? That is where the laundry room is. And if it were the same relatives as those that were there at 5-5:30, it would fit the in with the charts as stuff already being set into motion. Dunno.
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I read an article yesterday where the former tenant described how the floor creaked and the back screen door squeeked. If that's the case, and it was Misty that propped the door open, perhaps she didn't want the sound of the door waking the children when she returned.
 
Tuba said:
Just a brief comment from the clock addict. Assuming that the air conditioner repairman is straight and can tell time, this is a reliable chart. As you said in an earlier post, one cannot count on the beneficence of Jupiter. And certainly not on warm and fuzzy feelings from Mercury.

Jupiter is in the House of caretaking and suggests a Sagittarian but is in the Sign on House 7. Instead of performing a service, she does a disservice from the sector of the public's enemies. Also in this House but in one of the death aspects, a quincunx, is Mercury the natural ruler of caretakers, babysitters, nannies et al to the Leo Moon suggesting a Leo child.

I feel your chart puts the responsibility squarely upon our liable party. And, as always, I appreciate the LOOK of your horoscopes.
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Thank you, Tuba, and any time you want a chart posted for everyone to study, I will be happy to post it.

More importantly, your comment about whether the AC repairman can be trusted is very important!!!! At this point, we have no idea about this cast of characters, and shouldn't be quick to assume anything!
 
Khaki_Pants said:
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I was wondering about this yesterday evening. If Misty propped the door, could she have done it during the time the reported reletive delivered clothes? That is where the laundry room is. And if it were the same relatives as those that were there at 5-5:30, it would fit the in with the charts as stuff already being set into motion. Dunno.
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Khaki - I must have missed something...I keep popping in here to check on doc dumps/search news...WHAT RELATIVE DELIVERED CLOTHES???? and when???
 
I was just checking the data thread to see if I could find Mistie's birth data, and spotted the dad's arrest record, which includes his birth date!

Those are some pretty serious hard core drugs he has been using... better check his chart too, even though LE says he has an alibi, and "passed" the Lie Detector test...
 
HM-

I am aware of a rumor going on immediately in this case- anything on today you possible?

Both parents have been escorted to the Sheriff's Office. Misty had been there earlier
 
Drivenon - I haven't heard anything on the news, and checked FL news station websites. Do you have any more info as to validity of this?
 
KAITLAND said:
Khaki - I must have missed something...I keep popping in here to check on doc dumps/search news...WHAT RELATIVE DELIVERED CLOTHES???? and when???
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That's the thing. Granma was not specific on who and when. It was on JVM interview I think? She stated something to the affect of sending a family member over with clothes and to check on the kids. JVM didn't press her about who and when.

ETA: I will see if I can find it. I am in the middle of a bunch of stuff, so it may take a bit.
 
Drivenon said:
HM-

I am aware of a rumor going on immediately in this case- anything on today you possible?

Both parents have been escorted to the Sheriff's Office. Misty had been there earlier
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Coincidentally, I am running the midpoint charts for both adults in the case, Ron and Mistie, and comparing these to Heleigh's midpoints, and those of the 5:10 to 5:15 last seen date.

Right now, with just a cursory glance, my opinion is that these "parents" and those they "associate" with should be very closely examined.

Keep us posted if you hear more, and I will keep on doing the research. I also have sent by email these midpoint charts to my fellow astro-sleuths, just in case I get pulled away from the computer by my family.
 
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