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Tammi has stated that Elizabeth told her she was going to a domestic violence shelter. Tammi has indicated two different dates on which this conversation could have occurred: December 23 or December 26.
Why December 23?
On December 23, Tammi posts on her FaceBook that Elizabeth and Gabriel were on the road, that Elizabeth found 'an underground help' in TX. She writes that the 'help' had given Elizabeth formula, diapers, etc, and all the legal 'formalities'.
Why December 26?
Tammi stated on another Nancy Grace show the conversation took place on this specific day.
When Elizabeth Went Missing
Tammi made an unrelated reference to Sunday, December 27 as the day she considers Elizabeth to have gone missing:
TAMMI SMITH: And from what Yami says, her cell phone was had a signal in Victoria, Texas, and that was the day that she went missing. And that was the day that she actually got on the bus.
CASAREZ: And what day was the cell phone significance from Victoria, Texas? What day was that?
TAMMI SMITH: Sunday the 27th.
Nancy Grace Show Excerpt
Smiths Take Polygraphs in Missing Baby Gabriel Case - Aired January 8, 2010
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../08/ng.01.html
CASAREZ: OK. I`ve got to ask you about a FaceBook entry. I want to show everybody that this is a FaceBook industry, and it is from a Tammi Peters Smith, which would be you
and it is from December 23rd, 2009. And it says in part, quote, Please keep praying for Gabriel and his Mommy`s safety on the road. She found an underground help in Texas that has given her formula, diapers, et cetera, and all the legal formalities. Keep praying for his safety. Did you write that, Tammi?
TAMMI: Yes, I wrote that.
CASAREZ: What do you mean by it?
TAMMI: OK. What I meant by that is OK, I was being I don`t want to I don`t want to I don`t want to talk bad about Logan, OK? But I was somewhat threatened by Logan, and I wanted to make sure he understood because we talked back and forth wanted to make sure he understood that and in the beginning of that, you`ll see that we`re going to you know, we`re going to do our, you know, classes to be foster parents and all that.
So I wanted to make sure he knew that we are not interested in his son anymore. And secondly, before Elizabeth went missing, she let us know that she was going to a domestic violence shelter that was going to take care of her, the baby, and everything that they needed. And so I wanted to make sure that he knew that we`re out of it. We don`t want any part of her or the baby or you. And that was my way because the last time me and Logan spoke, he hung up on me, and I couldn`t tell him that. So that was me publicly letting him know. And I think anybody would want to pray for them, too, on the road.
CASAREZ: But you said she found an underground, underground help. That denotes something illegal, something not aboveboard.
TAMMI: OK. Well, she had mentioned to me the word underground, and she mentioned that at first, she mentioned that it was a domestic violence shelter. And she had used the word underground maybe once in the conversation. And instead of saying domestic violence, I didn`t want that to make Logan think that I was trying to say he was violent towards her because as far as I know, he was not.
CASAREZ: she told you she found a domestic violence shelter in San Antonio?
TAMMI: She didn`t say it was in San Antonio, but yes.
CASAREZ: But I want to go back to Tammi Smith. Right before the commercial break, you told us that Elizabeth had told you, and referred to it as an underground help at least once that she had gone to. When did she tell you this?
TAMMI: She told me, I believe it was the day before that Sunday that she had found a domestic violence she didn`t tell me a name. She just said that that was her plan to go there and they would take care of everything because that was our last plea to come back. I had a friend in Nashville that works with attorneys call her and plea to her to come back here to Arizona to court on Monday. I had my attorney call her and plea to her to come back here and go to court on that Monday, so yes.
CASAREZ: So you say that she said to you the Saturday before the Sunday so you`re saying the Sunday of the 27th, she left San Antonio. So she was in San Antonio when she told you she had found an underground domestic violence shelter, a place to go?
TAMMI: Right. And my guess is, I believe when she got to Miami, I believe that`s kind of the place that she went to, some kind of teen hostel place, and maybe that`s what she was talking about. And maybe she was partially telling me the truth, but it wasn`t really going to be her and Gabriel, it was going to be her.
Why December 23?
On December 23, Tammi posts on her FaceBook that Elizabeth and Gabriel were on the road, that Elizabeth found 'an underground help' in TX. She writes that the 'help' had given Elizabeth formula, diapers, etc, and all the legal 'formalities'.
Why December 26?
Tammi stated on another Nancy Grace show the conversation took place on this specific day.
When Elizabeth Went Missing
Tammi made an unrelated reference to Sunday, December 27 as the day she considers Elizabeth to have gone missing:
TAMMI SMITH: And from what Yami says, her cell phone was had a signal in Victoria, Texas, and that was the day that she went missing. And that was the day that she actually got on the bus.
CASAREZ: And what day was the cell phone significance from Victoria, Texas? What day was that?
TAMMI SMITH: Sunday the 27th.
Nancy Grace Show Excerpt
Smiths Take Polygraphs in Missing Baby Gabriel Case - Aired January 8, 2010
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../08/ng.01.html
CASAREZ: OK. I`ve got to ask you about a FaceBook entry. I want to show everybody that this is a FaceBook industry, and it is from a Tammi Peters Smith, which would be you
and it is from December 23rd, 2009. And it says in part, quote, Please keep praying for Gabriel and his Mommy`s safety on the road. She found an underground help in Texas that has given her formula, diapers, et cetera, and all the legal formalities. Keep praying for his safety. Did you write that, Tammi?
TAMMI: Yes, I wrote that.
CASAREZ: What do you mean by it?
TAMMI: OK. What I meant by that is OK, I was being I don`t want to I don`t want to I don`t want to talk bad about Logan, OK? But I was somewhat threatened by Logan, and I wanted to make sure he understood because we talked back and forth wanted to make sure he understood that and in the beginning of that, you`ll see that we`re going to you know, we`re going to do our, you know, classes to be foster parents and all that.
So I wanted to make sure he knew that we are not interested in his son anymore. And secondly, before Elizabeth went missing, she let us know that she was going to a domestic violence shelter that was going to take care of her, the baby, and everything that they needed. And so I wanted to make sure that he knew that we`re out of it. We don`t want any part of her or the baby or you. And that was my way because the last time me and Logan spoke, he hung up on me, and I couldn`t tell him that. So that was me publicly letting him know. And I think anybody would want to pray for them, too, on the road.
CASAREZ: But you said she found an underground, underground help. That denotes something illegal, something not aboveboard.
TAMMI: OK. Well, she had mentioned to me the word underground, and she mentioned that at first, she mentioned that it was a domestic violence shelter. And she had used the word underground maybe once in the conversation. And instead of saying domestic violence, I didn`t want that to make Logan think that I was trying to say he was violent towards her because as far as I know, he was not.
CASAREZ: she told you she found a domestic violence shelter in San Antonio?
TAMMI: She didn`t say it was in San Antonio, but yes.
CASAREZ: But I want to go back to Tammi Smith. Right before the commercial break, you told us that Elizabeth had told you, and referred to it as an underground help at least once that she had gone to. When did she tell you this?
TAMMI: She told me, I believe it was the day before that Sunday that she had found a domestic violence she didn`t tell me a name. She just said that that was her plan to go there and they would take care of everything because that was our last plea to come back. I had a friend in Nashville that works with attorneys call her and plea to her to come back here to Arizona to court on Monday. I had my attorney call her and plea to her to come back here and go to court on that Monday, so yes.
CASAREZ: So you say that she said to you the Saturday before the Sunday so you`re saying the Sunday of the 27th, she left San Antonio. So she was in San Antonio when she told you she had found an underground domestic violence shelter, a place to go?
TAMMI: Right. And my guess is, I believe when she got to Miami, I believe that`s kind of the place that she went to, some kind of teen hostel place, and maybe that`s what she was talking about. And maybe she was partially telling me the truth, but it wasn`t really going to be her and Gabriel, it was going to be her.