Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #2

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On Fox News Shep Smith just said Joran extorted money from Beth H......Greta will have more on her show tonight.
 
Patty G said:
It's very strange that Greta put out Beth Holloway's name and it is not being discussed on Issues that it was Beth Holloway that gave the $15,000.00 IF Beth gave the $15,000.00.

For some reason, I just can't see Beth paying $250,000.00 to Joran in this manner. She is way too smart to get caught up in this scheme.
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I can't either ......

Poor Beth I want to hug her right now. It keeps getting worse and worse for her...

HEY JORAN :python:
 
CharlestonGal said:
"Beth Holloway was extorted. Joran van der Sloot took money from her and used it to finance his trip to South America where it is now believed he murdered.

Beth Holloway wanted to know what happened to her daughter. Joran van der Sloot said he would tell her if she paid him. She brought in the FBI. The events happened in Aruba.


The FBI, as early as May 10, knew they had a case against Joran van der Sloot for wire fraud and extortion but failed to act until today. Had they arrested him when they had the case against him, May 10, he would not have had the money to travel to South America and murder. "

BBM. So now VDS has victimized Beth AGAIN. Can you imagine how she must be feeling knowing it was her money that financed his trip to Peru where he very probably killed another girl???
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Exactly! It's just horrible and my heart goes out to all of the victims.
 
PB: he lost control that night
SHonowitz, FL pros: if she was gay, it got out of hand; not reminiscent of anniversary; drug and sexually assault.
 
No one should feel guilty. The money didn't cause the murder any more than the person who checked him into the hotel. For all we know, Joran might have been able to scrounge together enough to get to Peru without it.

To me, it seems like a sting operation strategy worth pursuing. Unfortunately, it never got to the second stage. That the FBI was apprised of the transfers indicates that it was not simply extortion.
 
I'm having a little trouble understanding how this is extortion. The legal statute says this about extortion:

"The use, or the express or implicit threat of the use, of violence or other criminal means to cause harm to person, reputation, or property as a means to obtain property from someone else with his consent. USC 18

The Hobbs Act defines "extortion" as "the obtaining of property from another, with his consent, induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right." 18 U.S.C. S 1951(b)(2)."

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e073.htm

How is it extortion to say to someone, "If you give me X, I'll give you Y?" I agree it's heinous in this case, but how exactly is it illegal?
 
Just read that Joran can't be jailed yet, because the international APB takes 3 to 5 days to arrive (omg in this age of internet!!! wtf!!!).

But they did take his passport.
 
Aruba disappearance suspect held in Peru killing

By FRANK BAJAK and FRANKLIN BRICENO, AP
23 minutes ago
Chile's investigative police detain Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot, after...





LIMA, Peru — He was the last person to see two young women alive — one in Aruba, one in Peru exactly five years later, police say. Joran van der Sloot was caught in a taxi Thursday, several days drive and a country away from the Lima hotel room where the second woman was found face down with a broken neck.
A fixture on TV true-crime shows after Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba, the 22-year-old Dutchman did not speak or even turn his head when photographers shouted his name as Chilean police officers escorted him, without handcuffs, into a Santiago police office for questioning.
Aruban authorities didn't prosecute van der Sloot even after he was caught on video saying he had asked a friend to dump Holloway's body. The Alabama woman's family was outraged by how Aruban authorities handled the case, and now the family of another young woman wants to make sure they get justice.
 
epiphany said:
Did JVM just say a close cousin was going to get him (VDS) on extortion?

Anyone else hear that?
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Jane said: "and I have to go back to Lisa Bloom, you know what they say, they always get you on the taxes. And a close cousin of that is getting him on extortion.
 
TravelingBug said:
Which conclusively shows for those who asked...Joran WAS in Thailand.

There is a card with Thai writing stamped in the passport. I didn't look closely enough to see if it was a visa or just an entry exit one that required paperwork that stays stapled in your passport (I've had both in paper forms for various places - as well as stamped forms of both for other places - so it could be either)

But in either case...it clearly shows he traveled to Thailand!

ETA, it was at least two cards indicating they were Thai departure cards used by immigration - so there are, elsewhere, two stamps for his entry in Thailand, as well. And those are just the pages we see...could be more.

So now it's MULTIPLE trips to Thailand.
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OK that's kind of chilling. The almost total similarities between the Natalie Hoolowell case and the new one in Peru, Stephanie Flores, especially with the 5 years apart to the day, really beg the question, what exactly went on between the two events. And how many women have mysteriously gone missing from hotels in areas of his travel? It would be way to easy for him to do this same thing in Thailand.
 
SWAG1959 said:
I kinda think, (and this is JMO) that she won the money at the casino. He saw her (or was even sitting with her) when she won it and he saw "opportunity".

From the extortion suit filed just today - we now know he had at least $15K, as it was stated that 15K had already been wired to him as a down payment. He probably went through that - or was working his way through and only had a minimal amount left when he went to this poker tourney (hoping to parley his "little" into "a lot") and when that didn't happen - he met Stephany (or watched her winning).

Opportunity - plain and simple.
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What you say sure makes sense on how it could have happened, knowing everything we know at this point. If she threatened him with her dad's power to get her money back it could have sent him into a killing rage. IMO
 
fransch said:
Just read that Joran can't be jailed yet, because the international APB takes 3 to 5 days to arrive (omg in this age of internet!!! wtf!!!).

But they did take his passport.
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Well that bites the big one, Im sure they will keep close tabs on him, he is not going anywhere
 
CharlestonGal said:
I'm having a little trouble understanding how this is extortion. The legal statute says this about extortion:

"The use, or the express or implicit threat of the use, of violence or other criminal means to cause harm to person, reputation, or property as a means to obtain property from someone else with his consent. USC 18

The Hobbs Act defines "extortion" as "the obtaining of property from another, with his consent, induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right." 18 U.S.C. S 1951(b)(2)."

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e073.htm

How is it extortion to say to someone, "If you give me X, I'll give you Y?" I agree it's heinous in this case, but how exactly is it illegal?
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Lisa Bloom just said the exact same on JVM.

In fact, she said, (paraphrasing slightly) "This would be reason enough for the Aruban authorities to pursue an arrest warrant for Joran van der Sloot. Why haven't they done that?"


The whole thing is strange. Maybe that is why whatshisname :banghead: (Beth's atty.) has been down there. Maybe they were putting the pressure on Aruba....

God, this is getting so confusing. All I know is the walls were closing in on Joran van der Sloot.
 
Chanler said:
No one should feel guilty. The money didn't cause the murder any more than the person who checked him into the hotel. For all we know, Joran might have been able to scrounge together enough to get to Peru without it.

To me, it seems like a sting operation strategy worth pursuing. Unfortunately, it never got to the second stage. That the FBI was apprised of the transfers indicates that it was not simply extortion.
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ITA - JVDS probably did contact Beth. His father had just died - from what we hear he was not coping well with that (for obvious reasons). Now, he has no money - mommy dearest cut him off? Probably. So, he puts together this arrogant, cockeyed scheme to get money (from Beth). I'll bet she immediately RAN to the FBI and told them and they continued on with it - including the 15K wire. Once he accepts that first one - they got him, and wire fraud is included in the complaint.

Good point made about the "drugging" on JVM. If it was GHB in the car and he did drug her - how did she put up such a fight? GHB puts you OUT! Not even semi-conscious for quite a while - and they got to the hotel at 5:30ish and he was gone by 9. Not long enough for someone who has been drugged by GHB. So, was she drugged? How did he get her to that room? Just his "charming, charasmatic personality"? Offer to sell her some trinket he had because she just won all that money? She went to the room willingly (from what we heard) under her own steam. Why? How did he get her back to that room?
 
epiphany said:
Did JVM just say a close cousin was going to get him (VDS) on extortion?

Anyone else hear that?
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I just re-watched. She said:

"They always get you on the taxes and a close cousin of that is getting him on extortion. So one way or the other he's likely to remain behind bars."

Her way of saying if they can't get him on one thing, they can get him on another.
 
I've been watching JVM, seen the new video of Joran after arrest with his dyed hair ~ and couldn't help but agree with Lisa Bloom's comment about how SP also dyed his hair trying to disguise himself. Thank goodness he's been caught.

Nancy's on now.
 
CharlestonGal said:
I'm having a little trouble understanding how this is extortion. The legal statute says this about extortion:

"The use, or the express or implicit threat of the use, of violence or other criminal means to cause harm to person, reputation, or property as a means to obtain property from someone else with his consent. USC 18

The Hobbs Act defines "extortion" as "the obtaining of property from another, with his consent, induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right." 18 U.S.C. S 1951(b)(2)."

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e073.htm

How is it extortion to say to someone, "If you give me X, I'll give you Y?" I agree it's heinous in this case, but how exactly is it illegal?
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Good question. As I understand it, the applications are broad, including acts of coercion or threats to cause pain. Thus, kidnappers or hostage-takers can be charged with extortion. In any case, it's more than an honest exchange of goods or services.
 
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Watching this now, don't know if anyone else posted it yet. It features Lurigancho prison in Lima in the second half of the video. Scary!
 
I'm also just hearing the details of how Stephany was murdered. :furious:
 
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