Thanks for the clarification . If he sees well enough without them to swim, it makes me wonder if she did take off his glasses to get him out of the school. Also...since LE is trying to get pictures of him out there without his glasses, I wonder if they think that he may not have been wearing his glasses when he left the school.
How to get yourself & a child out of the school and into a vehicle?
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Thanks for the clarification . If he sees well enough without them to swim, it makes me wonder if she did take off his glasses to get him out of the school. Also...since LE is trying to get pictures of him out there without his glasses, I wonder if they think that he may not have been wearing his glasses when he left the school.
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Can't they trace the IP address of who longed on? I would think they could narrow that down if that was the case.
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If this child did in fact talk to Kyron at 9am or so, about this electricity project, who told Kyron about the project in the first place? That would be my first question, my second question is; if class was at 9am why was he not heading to the class room for the kids to group up and do the tour instead of going off by himself? My third question is, was there a project like this? If so, who's was it? How did it get setup and who was there that day with that project? I bet LE has already been there, done that and I am way behind the curve here, LOL!
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I can't speculate on this, but provide only my own experiences. I am legally blind without lens correction. When I was a child, I could not see very well without my glasses and did not wear contact lenses. Though I only had my glasses to rely on, I did not wear them when I went swimming. It sucked, but we didn't want my glasses to get ruined by pool or ocean water. I understand that they have things now, such as corrective lens goggles and such, but I doubt a ton of parents purchase these for their children, as they are likely costly.
I do think that white thingy is a door. But the handout said people had to enter through the front door or the east door and check in at the office "before they entered any other portion of the building." The white door doesn't open into the front hallway, where the office would be.
The link to the handout I posted with the pictures might explain where the buses drop off students. There's a newsletter or that handout or something that explains a change they made awhile back in where the buses drop off. I must have coffee before I search for that.
However, the buses would not necessarily still be sitting around there at 8::45 (when the bell rings.) Someone could have parked originally in the lot and then brought the truck around to that door after the buses left for the morning.
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Just wanted to post this pic visually. This is Kyron's classroom and according to reports the last place SM saw Kyron.
Thanks...I didn't mean that he was swimming under water or anything. I just figured he was staying in shallow water. I am not sure of how extensive of a swimmer he is.
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Calliope, you are a genius. There was something about the Photoshopped picture that just looked odd to me but I was never able to figure it out. You are absolutely correct, in the Photoshopped picture, his eyes are still magnified.
Thank you!
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lol not a genius, just the grandma of a little boy who wears glasses ... and whose eyes look HUGE, until he removes his them. You see the same effect in those photos of Ethan with and without his glasses.
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The drop off has to be that door marked by the X, there's really no other place.
That's a miniscule parking lot, even for a school with only ~300 students. I can imagine on a 'normal' day it would be a mess.
So we have a day where there's an open house going on at a time when kids are being dropped off by parents in private cars and the buses are unloading. Families and friends and kids coming and going, the lot and every available spot near the school and alongside the road was probably taken. Cars trying to get in and out of that tiny area. It was no doubt a huge mess. I can see where one little boy in the midst of all that confusion wouldn't have been noticed. Getting lost in a crowd, kwim?
OR...
With all the chaos and hubbub going on over on that side of the school, perhaps no one would have noticed a little boy slipping out the opposite side of the school, near his classroom, where a dirt road leads right from that door and out onto the street in front of the school. The trees and brush in front of the school would have gone a long way in blocking the view from the parking lot to the soccer field area on the opposite side. With all the attention focused on the east side of the school, and then the line of sight likely obscured, IMO it's quite possible he was taken or otherwise left through the door leading out to the field.
I'm now ruling out (for myself) the south and east as options to have the child exit. There's too much going on, too many people, too much risk. I'm not going to choose them. East was a contender until you brought up the buses
lol. East is blocked. I can't get my vehicle there, and I can't have the child walk to my vehicle. It's too risky.So I've got west and north. North presents too much risk of the child being seen as he walks down those steps, plus too much risk of my vehicle being seen both as I drive back to an unusual place, and as I drive out from an unusual place.
West presents significant risk both of the child being seen as he walks up the dirt road. I think it's a tolerable risk though - the most tolerable for me - because of the distraction and concentration of activity on other side of the building. The trees that would partially obscure part of the child's walk up the dirt road is also a plus.
West gives one other problem, the risk of my vehicle being seen pausing at the end of the dirt road. I can mitigate that risk by not leaving the parking lot until the child is near the end of the dirt road, and only then exiting the parking lot, driving to the dirt road, pausing for a sec while the child jumps in, and driving away.
If I'm luring out a live, conscious child, then West is my #1 choice as least risky, and the risk is tolerable.
If I were leaving prior to the buses arriving, and I have no idea when the buses started arriving, then I would choose East as least risky, and a more tolerable risk than West.
If the child were deceased or unconscious, then East is really the only option I can see, either before the buses arrive or after the buses left. If after the buses left, it would also have to be after 10am when all the children, teachers, and volunteers are back in their classrooms. Before the buses arrive is still too risky because there are parents and children too nearby, and the risk of being seen is too high.
I think Kyron left the school unconscious or deceased, or that he's still in there.
The complexity and risk of taking a child out of the school alive is just too great, and too senseless to me to even attempt, whether the adult is known to Kyron or not.
Whether the motive was molestation or murder or both, and particularly if this was a planned crime of murder, it just makes no sense to even attempt to take the child out of the school alive. There's no reason to, so why take such a ridiculous risk?
I'm now ruling out (for myself) the south and east as options to have the child exit. There's too much going on, too many people, too much risk. I'm not going to choose them. East was a contender until you brought up the buses
So I've got west and north. North presents too much risk of the child being seen as he walks down those steps, plus too much risk of my vehicle being seen both as I drive back to an unusual place, and as I drive out from an unusual place.
West presents significant risk both of the child being seen as he walks up the dirt road. I think it's a tolerable risk though - the most tolerable for me - because of the distraction and concentration of activity on other side of the building. The trees that would partially obscure part of the child's walk up the dirt road is also a plus.
West gives one other problem, the risk of my vehicle being seen pausing at the end of the dirt road. I can mitigate that risk by not leaving the parking lot until the child is near the end of the dirt road, and only then exiting the parking lot, driving to the dirt road, pausing for a sec while the child jumps in, and driving away.
If I'm luring out a live, conscious child, then West is my #1 choice as least risky, and the risk is tolerable.
If I were leaving prior to the buses arriving, and I have no idea when the buses started arriving, then I would choose East as least risky, and a more tolerable risk than West.
If the child were deceased or unconscious, then East is really the only option I can see, either before the buses arrive or after the buses left. If after the buses left, it would also have to be after 10am when all the children, teachers, and volunteers are back in their classrooms. Before the buses arrive is still too risky because there are parents and children too nearby, and the risk of being seen is too high.
I think Kyron left the school unconscious or deceased, or that he's still in there.
The complexity and risk of taking a child out of the school alive is just too great, and too senseless to me to even attempt, whether the adult is known to Kyron or not.
Whether the motive was molestation or murder or both, and particularly if this was a planned crime of murder, it just makes no sense to even attempt to take the child out of the school alive. There's no reason to, so why take such a ridiculous risk?
I suspect the stepmother did take Kyron out of the school (or never went to the school that morning.) But, at this point, I agree with you that it doesn't make sense for anyone to plan ahead to take Kyron out of the school alive that morning without being seen.
However, I haven't yet looked at the video link to the Today Show pictures of the school that waltzingmatilda believes show that someone could take a child out alive without difficulty. I might be back with more ideas after seeing that!
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Here's another thought...before you can plan your exit route, you will need to know what entrances & exits ARE permitted access to vehicles.
Many schools have designated area's for parents to enter, drop off students and exit. Employee & Visitor Parking sometimes is only allowed in a certain area.
Other area's may be off limits & perhaps cordoned off with cones or a chain barrier.
Some schools also have a parent volunteer who monitors the parking lots, too. (ex: my gd's school has a monitor who makes sure parents dropping off children do not stop in front of the school as buses are entering)
Does anyone local have this kind of information on this school vs only a map?
Many schools have designated area's for parents to enter, drop off students and exit. Employee & Visitor Parking sometimes is only allowed in a certain area.
Other area's may be off limits & perhaps cordoned off with cones or a chain barrier.
Some schools also have a parent volunteer who monitors the parking lots, too. (ex: my gd's school has a monitor who makes sure parents dropping off children do not stop in front of the school as buses are entering)
Does anyone local have this kind of information on this school vs only a map?
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huh? SM was confirmed to having been seen with Kyron at school that morning...she spoke with the teacher, took a picture of Kyron in front of his project, Kyron left his belongings in his classroom, etc...
I think an older student known to Kyron could easily lure him from the school, on foot, unnoticed. They could go back to a house or secluded location. "Hey Kyron, I know where we could catch a frog..." "Hey Kyron, I have a pet tree frog, come back ith me to my house to get it..."
I am sure LE is looking at what older students were tardy or absent that day.
IMO, it looks less and less like family is involved to me.
I am sure LE is looking at what older students were tardy or absent that day.
IMO, it looks less and less like family is involved to me.
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I'm now ruling out (for myself) the south and east as options to have the child exit. There's too much going on, too many people, too much risk. I'm not going to choose them. East was a contender until you brought up the buses
So I've got west and north. North presents too much risk of the child being seen as he walks down those steps, plus too much risk of my vehicle being seen both as I drive back to an unusual place, and as I drive out from an unusual place.
West presents significant risk both of the child being seen as he walks up the dirt road. I think it's a tolerable risk though - the most tolerable for me - because of the distraction and concentration of activity on other side of the building. The trees that would partially obscure part of the child's walk up the dirt road is also a plus.
West gives one other problem, the risk of my vehicle being seen pausing at the end of the dirt road. I can mitigate that risk by not leaving the parking lot until the child is near the end of the dirt road, and only then exiting the parking lot, driving to the dirt road, pausing for a sec while the child jumps in, and driving away.
If I'm luring out a live, conscious child, then West is my #1 choice as least risky, and the risk is tolerable.
If I were leaving prior to the buses arriving, and I have no idea when the buses started arriving, then I would choose East as least risky, and a more tolerable risk than West.
If the child were deceased or unconscious, then East is really the only option I can see, either before the buses arrive or after the buses left. If after the buses left, it would also have to be after 10am when all the children, teachers, and volunteers are back in their classrooms. Before the buses arrive is still too risky because there are parents and children too nearby, and the risk of being seen is too high.
I think Kyron left the school unconscious or deceased, or that he's still in there.
The complexity and risk of taking a child out of the school alive is just too great, and too senseless to me to even attempt, whether the adult is known to Kyron or not.
Whether the motive was molestation or murder or both, and particularly if this was a planned crime of murder, it just makes no sense to even attempt to take the child out of the school alive. There's no reason to, so why take such a ridiculous risk?
I see a door and stairs at the other corner of the building where the "X' is.
Do we know where fire exits are? With that many kids, there has to be more doors in case of a fire or emergency. So someone who also knew there was no video, may know about fire exits, and if an alarm could be turned off. My hubby is an electrician and he knows about these things, because he installs them. Just something else to ponder.
As far as the bus drop off area goes, it was at the side of the school, but because of an accident, (a bus pinned a woman to a parked car), in January of 2009 they began to plan for the buses to drop students off at the back of the school.
http://skylineelementary.org/files/1_12_09issue.pdf
http://skylineelementary.org/files/1_12_09issue.pdf
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