GUILTY GA - Lauren Giddings, 27, Macon, 26 June 2011 # 2

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PlainJaneDoe said:
So is it your understanding that the e-mail address was truly his - that part of the story, at least, is true?
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In any case I follow, I always maintain a healthy amount of skepticism unless I hear the words directly from LE in a news conference. Short of that, only a direct quote of at least three sentences will suffice to convince me what's being reported is what was actually said. Too often, a reporter will take a statement and by changing just a word or two, skew the whole meaning. That said, this is the AP (usually reliable), and the statement is said to have been made by JG, the department spokesperson. So it carries a little more weight than "police said", or "sources close to the investigation said".

The article first appeared July 7th, I believe. By then, LE would've known if the e-mail was actually transmitted, and to whom. I don't know when JG told this to the reporter, though. If in the first day or two, details might've been sketchy. But if the department cleared the statement, then it's probably true. MPD also released a later statement saying they had evidence that showed LG was using her cell phone and computer up until about 10:30 that Saturday night, which also supports the e-mail as fact.

Like Smooth, I initially thought the e-mail might be a hoax. McD certainly could've been lying. It would've been foolsh for him to lie because the friends who he claimed saw the e-mail would've refuted his statement. But I don't credit him with thinking rationally, so that argument is null, imo.
 
Much thanks to Bessie for the AP article that states the email was indeed sent to the boyfriend.. Now unfortunately this really turns things upside down for me..

If it was indeed sent to the boyfriend at 10:30pm Saturday the 25th anyone have any thoughts on why in the world this boyfriend, who by all accounts seems to have been in Cali, did not alert about Lauren's missing much much sooner.. As some have speculated that they were not that serious as a couple.. IMO no matter whether they were or not or for that fact it doesnt matter if they were actually even split up(which we have zero indication that they were split up).. My point is that truly no matter how serious of their relationship when he read the pretty Alarming details of that email would he have not then been determined to get a hold of her.. Not because he automatically assumed the hoodlums had gotten her but just to check in on her after she shared these alarming details and even stated she was in fear.. Wouldn't he have just wanted to get a hold of her and the. When not able to for 24 hours or more wouldve called local friends of HER'S to check in just to ensure everything was ok.. Or even contacted her family, it' seems as tho they were somewhat close As articles made mention of him with the family at her wake.. So I would think even a simple call to one *or more of them???.. But nothing until 41/2 days later the fam and local friends make contact with one another and thus gets the ball rolling to discovering her missing..

In my mind that is just not working or fitting together.. I cannot make sense of the emAil being sent to the boyfriend EVEN IF IT WERE ACTUALLY LAUREN THAT AUTHORED THE LETTER!!!! that almost makes less sense!!! I mean come on this girl mentions to no one about this attempted breK in and her fears of being in her apt..to no one!! And then literally within moments possibly if her being murdered she just decides to tell all of this in an email to her boyfriend that not only doesn't live any where in the area but even more absurd is actuAlly thousands of miles away in California???!!!!

That just makes zero sense any way you put it!!! Jmo, tho!!

And then lastly I'll mention what makes no about the boyfriend being the recipient.. McD in his on cam interview.. Boy he knows everything about Miss Lauren his next door neighbor and classmate.. for 20+ mins he's chatty about all things Lauren and as we know in detail he goes into everything about that email that was to the boyfriend.. Yet when he's asked who it's to.. He doesnt know the guys name??? *Just doesn't add up to me.. But again, jmo, tho!
 
SmoothOperator said:
Much thanks to Bessie for the AP article that states the email was indeed sent to the boyfriend.. Now unfortunately this really turns things upside down for me..

If it was indeed sent to the boyfriend at 10:30pm Saturday the 25th anyone have any thoughts on why in the world this boyfriend, who by all accounts seems to have been in Cali, did not alert about Lauren's missing much much sooner.. As some have speculated that they were not that serious as a couple.. IMO no matter whether they were or not or for that fact it doesnt matter if they were actually even split up(which we have zero indication that they were split up).. My point is that truly no matter how serious of their relationship when he read the pretty Alarming details of that email would he have not then been determined to get a hold of her.. Not because he automatically assumed the hoodlums had gotten her but just to check in on her after she shared these alarming details and even stated she was in fear.. Wouldn't he have just wanted to get a hold of her and the. When not able to for 24 hours or more wouldve called local friends of HER'S to check in just to ensure everything was ok.. Or even contacted her family, it' seems as tho they were somewhat close As articles made mention of him with the family at her wake.. So I would think even a simple call to one *or more of them???.. But nothing until 41/2 days later the fam and local friends make contact with one another and thus gets the ball rolling to discovering her missing..

In my mind that is just not working or fitting together.. I cannot make sense of the emAil being sent to the boyfriend EVEN IF IT WERE ACTUALLY LAUREN THAT AUTHORED THE LETTER!!!! that almost makes less sense!!! I mean come on this girl mentions to no one about this attempted breK in and her fears of being in her apt..to no one!! And then literally within moments possibly if her being murdered she just decides to tell all of this in an email to her boyfriend that not only doesn't live any where in the area but even more absurd is actuAlly thousands of miles away in California???!!!!

That just makes zero sense any way you put it!!! Jmo, tho!!

And then lastly I'll mention what makes no about the boyfriend being the recipient.. McD in his on cam interview.. Boy he knows everything about Miss Lauren his next door neighbor and classmate.. for 20+ mins he's chatty about all things Lauren and as we know in detail he goes into everything about that email that was to the boyfriend.. Yet when he's asked who it's to.. He doesnt know the guys name??? *Just doesn't add up to me.. But again, jmo, tho!
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It could be that it was sent to an email account that does not update to a cell phone or an "old" email account this is not used much or at all anymore. If that is the case then it seems more likely to me that it was in fact NOT sent by LG, but by someone close enough to her to know who this person was, and know that the email would not be received, meaning that the person sending would also know this person didn't use this particular email addy anymore... I have serious questions as to whether LG and SM were actually this close?

Thoughts anyone
 
It makes absolutely no sense to me the killer would have sent the e-mail. If the killer were trying to deflect or buy time or whatever, he/she would have sent an e-mail something along the lines of "I think I'm going to go out of town a few days" or "I'm mad at you, don't call me" ..... not an expression of fear that would cause the BF potentially to immediately start trying to contact her.

How would he know the e-mail recipient, the BF, wouldn't decide to drive down there the next morning to check on her, or send LE to do a wellness check if the phone wasn't answered? Doesn't make sense to me.

No, I think it was Lauren that actually sent the e-mail. Why the BF didn't follow up with concern, who knows. We don't know what else was in the e-mail besides "the Macon hoodlums" stuff. Maybe they had had a fight or had recently broken up, so he was distancing himself from her? Or possibly since he was away from home he wasn't even checking his e-mail.
 
Snoothop....I agree on the BF. I got kinda chastised on here earlier for speculating on that, but my thoughts exactly.....why didn't he call someone or become alarmed....even if the perp sent the email he still should have been concerned....

Doesn't add up....when I was in college we would have never waited 4.5 days to check on an absentee comrade.

Also if they were separated or broken up you still check on someon after an email like that supposedly was.

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Something is missing...not accusing...but something is missing

JMO
 
currcat said:
It could be that it was sent to an email account that does not update to a cell phone or an "old" email account this is not used much or at all anymore. If that is the case then it seems more likely to me that it was in fact NOT sent by LG, but by someone close enough to her to know who this person was, and know that the email would not be received, meaning that the person sending would also know this person didn't use this particular email addy anymore... I have serious questions as to whether LG and SM were actually this close?

Thoughts anyone
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Then you run the risk of the bf telling LE that LG would not have used that old e-mail address, raising speculation about whether she was the author. I dunno...it's possible. In that case, I would think the person would have to know both LG and the bf to be so certain the bf wouldn't check a particular e-mail address.

Here's another scenario. On Saturday evening, LG is at home studying, taking a break now and then to munch on take out, text, maybe check into FB, and send an e-mail to her bf. She hears someone fiddling with her doorknob, jumps up and runs to the door, yelling out, "WHO IS IT?! WHAT DO YOU WANT?!" The would be intruder scurries off. She looks through the peephole, but no one's there. She makes sure the door jam is securely in place, and returns to her computer where she types, "I think someone was trying to break in my door. Damn hoodlums. I'll be glad to move away from this place. I'm almost afraid to fall asleep at night." And then on she moves to the next subject.

BF's busy out in California. By the time he reads the e-mail, it's Monday morning. He's not overly alarmed by her message. The would be intruder didn't succeed, so her apartment must be pretty secure. Besides, Lauren is smart, athletic, independent, and cautious. And she'll be out of there in a week. In the meantime, she has friends nearby she can call. Monday, Tuesday pass. No big deal. He and LG are focused individuals.

Lauren sends off the e-mail and returns to her studies. There's a knock at the door. Once again, she looks through the peephole, then opens the door to her nice little neighbor.

"Hey, Lauren, are you all right? I thought I heard you yelling a little while ago. Listen, may I borrow..." Lauren walks toward the kitchen (bedroom, bathroom), and the neighbor follows.
 
OLDMACONBOY said:
Snoothop....I agree on the BF. I got kinda chastised on here earlier for speculating on that, but my thoughts exactly.....why didn't he call someone or become alarmed....even if the perp sent the email he still should have been concerned....

Doesn't add up....when I was in college we would have never waited 4.5 days to check on an absentee comrade.

Also if they were separated or broken up you still check on someon after an email like that supposedly was.

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Something is missing...not accusing...but something is missing

JMO
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I understand what you're saying, Oldmacon, but we don't know what the e-mail really said, how it was worded. McD might've exaggerated. Or, she really was afraid, but she tried not to convey her fear to the bf. He couldn't help her, anyway, because he was in California. No need to worry him. It would make more sense to call on someone nearby, like a nextdoor neighbor.
 
currcat said:
It could be that it was sent to an email account that does not update to a cell phone or an "old" email account this is not used much or at all anymore. If that is the case then it seems more likely to me that it was in fact NOT sent by LG, but by someone close enough to her to know who this person was, and know that the email would not be received, meaning that the person sending would also know this person didn't use this particular email addy anymore... I have serious questions as to whether LG and SM were actually this close?

Thoughts anyone
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I agree. Interview very odd and mcD keeps on bringing the email up. And yes David in CA would have alerted Lgs friends.
 
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bessie said:
Then you run the risk of the bf telling LE that LG would not have used that old e-mail address, raising speculation about whether she was the author. I dunno...it's possible. In that case, I would think the person would have to know both LG and the bf to be so certain the bf wouldn't check a particular e-mail address.
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My point exactly-- I believe if in fact the email WAS NOT sent by LG, then it had to have been someone who knew them both, OR someone who knew her well enough to be privy to many of the bf habits and which one of his emails to send a "cover" message to--- JMO --

Of course we are all just speculating since none of us know what was really in that email - the scenario you give Bessie has just as much possibility of being what happened as any of the scenario's any of us put out here.

Hopefully we will get some more information soon.
 
The thing that is just so unsettling to me is that from early Saturday evening, she hadn't been heard from and was not reported missing (and that by a friend) until Wednesday. I'm not counting the email, just the Zaxby's footage since that's surely her. If that email actually went to the correct email address of her bf AND stated that she was afraid, it is very strange that no concerns were raised in the days following as to her whereabouts.

Now, if the killer sent the email, perhaps it did not go to the right email address or something of that nature, causing the bf not to see it for awhile. It's all just very strange and I think we have so many questions because so little is being said. The most we know of that email is from McD's rambling, so take that for what it's worth.

I remember reading, early on, that she phoned her grandmother every Sunday. I think that was in an interview with the Mom or other family when they came to Macon after Lauren's remains were discovered. If that truly was a standing tradition, wouldn't a red flag have been raised. Maybe someone follow up on Monday or Tuesday?

I guess what I'm wondering is - if McD is her killer, and cops came around on that Monday instead, what would they have found?
 
I'm still in the school of thought that the email was not a cry for help, but more of a vent. I have heard it from my own child. When she told me about the people in the park following her and telling her what they were going to do to her in detail (which is within walking distance of this apartment), I freaked and was ready to move her right then. She said it was no big deal, and she could handle it. When the car was stolen from in front of her house (next door to this apartment), she complained about the hoodlums in the area taking over and it was supposed to be a safe area. What I can see is someone complaining about the area and mentioning little things that have happened, even stating it makes her afraid sometimes, but mostly pointing out she is frustrated and ready to move on.

We all do it. We talk about being afraid to go to the local gas station, but we still do it. Why? Because we didn't mean we were terrified and needed an escort. We meant we are aggravated that we have to worry about going somewhere we should feel safe.

I really hope they share some info tomorrow. I am more than ready to know where they stand and what they have.
 
Destini said:
It makes absolutely no sense to me the killer would have sent the e-mail. If the killer were trying to deflect or buy time or whatever, he/she would have sent an e-mail something along the lines of "I think I'm going to go out of town a few days" or "I'm mad at you, don't call me" ..... not an expression of fear that would cause the BF potentially to immediately start trying to contact her.

How would he know the e-mail recipient, the BF, wouldn't decide to drive down there the next morning to check on her, or send LE to do a wellness check if the phone wasn't answered? Doesn't make sense to me.

No, I think it was Lauren that actually sent the e-mail. Why the BF didn't follow up with concern, who knows. We don't know what else was in the e-mail besides "the Macon hoodlums" stuff. Maybe they had had a fight or had recently broken up, so he was distancing himself from her? Or possibly since he was away from home he wasn't even checking his e-mail.
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The boyfriend was out of town the day Lauren was found. Maybe he was out of town on Saturday as well. McD certainly could have went through her text messages and seen one from the BF discussing his trip. Or perhaps there was an email from the BF he read. Not out of the realm of possibilities.

One more question I hope we have answers to soon.
 
PsychoMom said:
I'm still in the school of thought that the email was not a cry for help, but more of a vent. I have heard it from my own child. When she told me about the people in the park following her and telling her what they were going to do to her in detail (which is within walking distance of this apartment), I freaked and was ready to move her right then. She said it was no big deal, and she could handle it. When the car was stolen from in front of her house (next door to this apartment), she complained about the hoodlums in the area taking over and it was supposed to be a safe area. What I can see is someone complaining about the area and mentioning little things that have happened, even stating it makes her afraid sometimes, but mostly pointing out she is frustrated and ready to move on.

We all do it. We talk about being afraid to go to the local gas station, but we still do it. Why? Because we didn't mean we were terrified and needed an escort. We meant we are aggravated that we have to worry about going somewhere we should feel safe.

I really hope they share some info tomorrow. I am more than ready to know where they stand and what they have.
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I have a problem accepting that the email was sent by LG to her BF's active email account, even if it was more of a vent. I mentioned early in the first thread that I live in a neighborhood that has had its share of security problems, which included drug dealing years ago. One night someone broke the lock on my screen door when they forced it open, and then started turning the knob on the entry door. My spare key was missing at the time. Also during that time, I came home from class one night and a name was written on the chalk board next to my phone. It had been 8 days since I had a visitor and I didn't remember seeing the writing before. These are only a couple of the incidents and I eventually reported them to management. I also told co-workers about my concerns, but I didn't tell my family because I didn't want them to worry. When other incidents occurred while family members were visiting, I just downplayed them and acted nonchalant. I didn't want my family, who live 100+ miles away, to fret about my safety.

So, from LG's perspective, I would not have mentioned the incident to my BF or family, especially knowing they were far away and helpless, because I would not want them to worry about me. I would be more likely to mention such an incident to a trustworthy friend close by - someone I knew I could contact at any hour if I felt threatened.

What if McD knew that LG's BF was going out of town, and maybe was somehow privy to information to the effect the BF would not have Internet access during his travels (as Knox said, McD/the killer may have read email messages from the BF to LG)? Possibly, the BF told LG he would be unable to access his email for a few days. That would give the killer the perfect opportunity to divert LE's attention to "Macon Hoodlums" by sending the message, to be found later on LG's computer as "evidence," while being assured the email wouldn't even be read until the BF returned home, by which time the killer expected to be rid of the body and all evidence.
 
Indy Anna said:
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So, from LG's perspective, I would not have mentioned the incident to my BF or family, especially knowing they were far away and helpless, because I would not want them to worry about me. I would be more likely to mention such an incident to a trustworthy friend close by - someone I knew I could contact at any hour if I felt threatened.

What if McD knew that LG's BF was going out of town, and maybe was somehow privy to information to the effect the BF would not have Internet access during his travels (as Knox said, McD/the killer may have read email messages from the BF to LG)? Possibly, the BF told LG he would be unable to access his email for a few days. That would give the killer the perfect opportunity to divert LE's attention to "Macon Hoodlums" by sending the message, to be found later on LG's computer as "evidence," while being assured the email wouldn't even be read until the BF returned home, by which time the killer expected to be rid of the body and all evidence.
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I see where you are coming from, but since she was planning to move out the next week, I can see her saying something along the lines (which I have mentioned earlier), "I am so ready to get out of this place. I've already had those Macon hoodlums steal the GPS from my car right in front of the apartments, but I swear, 2 days ago, one of them tried to break into my apartment. It is getting bad out here. Sometimes, I am scared just coming and going from my own apartment. One more week and I am outta here!" To me, that sounds like something most of us would say to someone when venting about a place, especially if we were leaving soon.

If you received an email like that from a friend, you wouldn't see it as a plea for help. And I don't think she sent her email as a plea for immediate rescue. It is also why I have no doubt she sent it. I can see anyone sending that kind of email. It is a normal thing to do. Not a raising the red flag thing to do. But it does cover her saying someone tried to break in, and her fear. Of course, we may never know how she said it. We'll probably not see the real email.
 
About Break-in Email of June 25th :

Let’s assume that Lauren wrote the email:
As I mentioned up stream, my family member was Lauren's good friend. They were hanging out together at a local bar on Friday night, June 24. Lauren did not mention being fearful of hoodlums or that anyone had tried to break in her apt.. She was upbeat and her normal fun self.
She also kept her door key outside her front door. Her friends used it to enter her apt on Wed. June 29th.
I think she would have removed that hidden door key if she had been afraid.

Let’s assume that the perpetrator wrote the email:
After the murder, the prep decides he cannot go down for this crime. So right then and there, his mind spinning in panic, he decides that the only solution is to get rid of the body. That is when he decides to write the email as a deterrent. The perp sends the email to a friend in Atlanta thinking it might buy a little more time since that friend lives out of town. Plus, he thinks, when no one can find Lauren, they will read her ‘break in’ email expressing lack of safety and think someone took her. He knows that if no one ever finds the body then there is no murder. She is a missing person who was most likely abducted by unknown crazed Hoodlums. Another unsolved crime.

However, the body WAS found. So now the ‘break in email’ does not fit in with the current investigation:
the crime scene is a homicide at the Barristers Hall Apts.
IMO this is why we are puzzled by the break-in email.
It does not fit.
It does not fit because that email was designed for a missing person crime scenario.
IMO, of course.

As far as the content of the email - the only information we have is what McD disclosed in his verbal interview: the email was a safety concern, and the receiver was in Atlanta. We can only speculate as to WHY the receiver of the email did not reply. He may not have read his email for a couple days. LE has interviewed the person in Atlanta who received this email. He has undoubtedly explained to LE all the details of why he did or did not respond to the email, when he first read the email, and what he thought about the email, ETC. He was been cleared by LE, and is not a POI.

Until we have more facts from LE, a lot regarding this email remains a mystery. IMO, what is important about this email is the fact that it was sent from Lauren's computer, it was the last communication from her apartment, but most importantly WHO sent it.
 
SuperMom1995 said:
Well the condoms at least had to be out in plain sight, so that LE could see them, and then ask him why do you have those if you are not sexually active...and I agree that he thought he would impress them with his honesty about the condoms, and then get away with his dishonesty concerning Lauren. JMO
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Is it also possible that he claimed to be a virgin then they found used condoms in the trash or bathroom?

The logical progression of thought would then center around the question of why the condom's at all?
 
PsychoMom said:
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If you received an email like that from a friend, you wouldn't see it as a plea for help. And I don't think she sent her email as a plea for immediate rescue. It is also why I have no doubt she sent it. I can see anyone sending that kind of email. It is a normal thing to do. Not a raising the red flag thing to do. But it does cover her saying someone tried to break in, and her fear. Of course, we may never know how she said it. We'll probably not see the real email.
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We really do not know the full content of the email - but, I do not think she sent it.
Personally, I do not see this email as a 'normal thing to do'. Why would someone send it unless they actually thought someone may have tried to break in or the email was sent by someone else as a distraction?
Of course, this is conjecture, but if there is a murder charge this email could be another piece of evidence for the prosecution as they present the big picture using these pieces of this puzzle.

Lauren kept a key to her apt outside her front door. That key was used by her friends to enter her apt when they came searching for her on Wed. June 29 evening. IMO had she been fearful that someone was trying to break into her apartment she would never have left her front door key outside in an accessible spot. That speaks volumes to me.


The friend went to Giddings’ apartment and knocked, but got no answer. She used a spare key that Giddings had left outside the apartment to enter it. She found that Giddings’ belongings were still inside, including her car keys, her cell phone, textbooks and her laptop.



Read more: http://www.macon.com/2011/06/30/161...giddings.html?storylink=addthis#ixzz1Sp1HAuma
 
I could be stating something allready said but how do we know that she didnt say send the email so then the bf says what and calls her on the phone and then she does the rest of the talking on the phone and they just play it dows as some stupid school kids. As i said iam kinda new and dont know every detail so for all i know maybe they have the cell records and this has been awnsered but if they dont i could see that if my gf said that i would be calling immedientlly to see what was going on asap but then maybe they just play it down as just a prank and keep everything locked and whatever...i have not seen a google map but i know she was missing for a bit was she outside agains't the building the whole time and no one saw her or did someone only put her there the day she was found . Lastly the last thing i seen on this was a youtube interview with a friend or so called friend . he had long hair kinda chubby and made me think he was a complete weirdo.. just wondering if anyone thinks he has played a role in this...
 
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