Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 # 7 *Arrest*

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I don't really know how this works...

Is it possible that the investigators enveloped the body in something before removing it from the water so that any evidence that might be clinging to it would be preserved and not sloughed off during removal? That was my first thought when I saw the photo of a large white bundle being removed from the river.
 
i am betting the farm that was one of the first things LE did...bet we will be seeing POI named after this weekend's festivities

I seriously doubt you'll see and POI or suspect named. The way the AG operates here is that very little info is released until they make an arrest. I suspect the next significant news we hear on this case will be an arrest as soon as they get the tox report back.
 
well one particular gentleman was seen wearing shorts sleeves and had no problem being seen in public and on TV, prior to his voluntary admission, and I personally did not notice any 'wounds'...did anyone else notice anything on him?
Did a news article state that WN's admission to the Concord, NH psych hospital was voluntary? If so, please ignore the following.

It is very possible that when this individual left the rural, 16 bed medical-surgical hospital on Monday that the doc at this tiny facility told LE that this facility was not appropriate for his needs and he needed to be examined at a psych hospital. If someone drove this individual to the psych hospital and he went into the ER to be examined, if the physician or the Mental Health Nurse Practitioner assessed that he was was a danger to himself or others, they would have involuntarily admitted him even though he only presented himself for an assessment. (Just because a family member drove him to the psych hospital does not mean that he agreed to be admitted.)

It is very possible that this individual's family loaded him into their truck and told him they were going to Walmart or they were ONLY going to the hospital to get him checked out and he would not have to stay (or some other lie). Once he was inside the truck, they drove to the psych hospital's ER doors. These types of actions, along with police assistance, are commonly necessary to get a paranoid schizophrenic inside a psych hospital.
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I went looking for something mentioning the Black Hawk being used, I remember seeing it on HLN. Nothing online about it, but one was used on Monday to assist in an injured hiker rescue in northern NH. Maybe they called for the Black Hawk and it was assumed it would be used for Celina's recovery, but was for the search and rescue of the hiker.
 
She was on FB since sometime last year.

Thank you, ecco.

So anywhere from 7-19 months ago. Do we know how long ago SF started his page? Though it's not necessarily relevant to when it was made public.
 
Does anyone know why WN went to wake up Celina on the morning she went missing. Was she scheduled to go somewhere or do something that she needed to be awakened for?
 
I think many are missing the point of the basement discussion. IMO the point is why were the girls moved to the basement so that a 23 yo man could have their room (or at least Celina's room) in a perfectly normal part of the house. And then you add that the girls were sleeping on air mattresses. We don't know the condition of the basement or if it even had heat, let alone able to be dolled up with sheets on the wall. I have a passion for old houses and look at ones for sale just for the heck of it. My DD loves them to and chooses them for rentals because of their craftmanship inside. However, most of these basements are not liviing spaces whatsoever. And they were never meant to be. IMO there is a good chance that the basement Celina slept in was not ideal. We just don't know yet.

Here is why I want answers about the basement. Were they being punished? Were they being put in their place? I don't know the answer. But I do know it is typical in child abuse cases for those children to be treated lesser than others in the family and made to sleep and live in less than ideal situations. Garages, tents, cold unfinished basements, etc. etc. I think the questions about the basement are valid and reasonable. JMO.

I may be the guilty that brought up the basement as a living space. My thoughts were more about the
convenience of entering & exiting house/basement, with Celina's body, without being heard or seen.

I thought of this because when my youngest son (of 3) was 15 y/o, he wanted a room of his own.
We had an old 3 bedroom house in CT, in which he had been sharing a BR with middle son.

He decided to fix up a section of the basement. We cleaned, scrubbed, painted, hung sheets, & put down a
new area rug. He slept on his mattress/box springs, & used a small chest of drawers for his "night stand" etc.

He never used the basement's cellar doors to enter & exit, because the main back door was right at the top of
the basement stairs, & off of the kitchen... which also had a shower/bathroom right there, also. Even if he wanted
to sneak in & out, while the rest of the fam was asleep in other bedrooms, he would've still used the main backdoor,
without being seen or heard

What I kept thinking about was, if someone did anything to my son, while he was in the basement, and wanted to
take him out, the cellar doors would've definitely been used.

I just kept thinking that Celina's poor little body was taken out through the cellar doors in her house.
 
I read the info on the hospital and it said that they only take voluntary patients. But, did the news report say that WN was at the festival? Or did it just say family? tia

There was no mention of WN being at the festivities. AL and LN were there - at least for the ceremony dedication to Celina. I'm not sure how long they stayed.
 
http://www.wmur.com/r/28777625/detail.html


Celina's father, Adam Laro, attended the opening of the celebration, against the advice of his doctors. Laro is suffering from congestive heart failure.

Celina's mother also attended the event.

WN is not mentioned
 
I don't really know how this works...

Is it possible that the investigators enveloped the body in something before removing it from the water so that any evidence that might be clinging to it would be preserved and not sloughed off during removal? That was my first thought when I saw the photo of a large white bundle being removed from the river.

Personally that's what I think. And I've seen pictures of SAR recovery litters/baskets/cage ... they're huge, big enough for an adult male. I assumed what we saw pulled up was the victim, sealed in a white bag for that specific purpose AND the recovery litter. Not saying there isn't anything else in there, but I didn't think, after seeing what those litters look like, that there was tons of space for things like cinderblocks.

But then again, I'm wrong all the time ... just ask my kids! :crazy:
 
I am getting mixed vibes..........computer, and access, nice vehicles, dresses nice. (plus)
(minus) rent duplex with a non family member, 2 girls in a basement, SF mental issues.
A beautiful little girl starting to mature.

When I think of old victorian homes.........My BFF and DD each owned beautiful onesabout 125 years old.
BUT they still had DIRT floors and low ceilings.....here in PA more like fruit cellars.
Now they both had concrete poured and refinished for laundry rooms and extra bath, but far from comfortable. Tiny windows mde my daughter think hers was spooky. JMOO
 
There was no mention of WN being at the festivities. AL and LN were there - at least for the ceremony dedication to Celina. I'm not sure how long they stayed.

Unless I missed something, AFAIK, WN is still in the hospital.
 
Does anyone know why WN went to wake up Celina on the morning she went missing. Was she scheduled to go somewhere or do something that she needed to be awakened for?

I don't think anyone knows. But if you look back at threads one and two, we speculate 6 ways to Sunday why some of us thought it seemed hinky. :innocent:
 
Does anyone know why WN went to wake up Celina on the morning she went missing. Was she scheduled to go somewhere or do something that she needed to be awakened for?

I have never seen an answer to that question but wonder the same thing. Mom just left for work. It is summer time. Was CC expected to wake up @ 8:30 that morning? Or was he just checking on her?

One thing that bothers me. If he already knew she was gone, he would want to report it pretty quickly after mom left, because he would not want to be looking like he was home alone with her for long that morning. So IF he already knew, he would have to start the missing report really early, just like he did.
 
Using Google Maps Street View I followed Hwy 3 north from Celina's house up to where the dam is to get a better idea of the route the killer must of taken when disposing on Celina's body. Also looking for potential businesses that might have a surveillance system that might of captured a pickup driving up the road. The police station is located just north of Celina's house, but doesn't appear to have any camera's mounted that I could see. There are a few other businesses such as the restaurant/bar next door and a hardware store but it is hard to tell if they would have camera's either. Any locals around that could drive up this route and scout out any camera's?????

As you can see in the map picture below this is looking down at what is the old train bridge that was seen in the pictures of investigators and the divers in the boat.


I would suspect that who ever placed Celina's body in the river used this access point to get to the river with their vehicle. If you follow the highway further north the road is elevated a considerable distance above the river and dam and a continuous guardrail follows the road which would have made it very difficult for anyone to carry a body from the roadway over the guardrail and down though the brush to the river if they were to park along the road.

I would think the person that used this access point to the old train bridge and river is someone that is familiar with this area and it is also possibly that this person used this area for fishing. If I remember correctly it was said that Celina enjoyed fishing and releasing. I'm wondering who used to take her fishing and if this was the spot where they would go. Anyone know?

West Stewartstown - Google Maps
 
I have never seen an answer to that question but wonder the same thing. Mom just left for work. It is summer time. Was CC expected to wake up @ 8:30 that morning? Or was he just checking on her?

One thing that bothers me. If he already knew she was gone, he would want to report it pretty quickly after mom left, because he would not want to be looking like he was home alone with her for long that morning. So IF he already knew, he would have to start the missing report really early, just like he did.

I wonder if she had to get up early for something school related. Registering for school, school shopping, registering for sports. Something along those lines. I've been trying to find where Stewartstown Community School has a start date but can't find it.
 

Those are good, clear photos. Thanks!

Looking at the photos of the site where they found Celina, and the picture of the dam, made me think about how things went down the day they found her.

It's been mentioned Celina liked fishing.

It MAY have been mentioned SF was questioned that morning.

SF then checks himself into hospital for the first time.

Did LE, while questioning, make (pretend) small talk ... Good cop: "So, I imagine there's good fishing around here. Where's the best spot to catch (insert local common fish here)?"

SF: "Oh, definitely! We *always* go over by the dam...." Then in his head, "....Doh!"

Don't perps/accomplices usually dump bodies in areas they're very familiar with?

Not saying SF is the perp, just wondering if this could be a possible scenerio that happened the morning it went down.

Heck, the dam could have just been the next area on their checklist....
 
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