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One thing I'm confused about (hey, I live in the woods, okay!)...is New York Port Authority Bus Terminal JUST a bus terminal? Or is it a port for other things too? Trains...buses...is there shopping there? Bars? I have zero understanding of what the place is like.

ETA: Oh good lord. I just looked PABT up on google. I really DIDN'T have a clue. :eek:

LOL, MK - the port authority is quite the busy place. It has shops, a few bars/restaurants, but no one goes there just to eat or drink. It's certainly not a tourist destination....especially around 5-6:00 pm lol. However, what stands out is the location of PA. It's right in Times Square, where Maureen said she wanted to stay in the hotel. And obviously, Times Square is the most tourist-visted place in the world. Meaning, there a ton of people and a ton of things to do, and although Guliani cleaned it up, there are still several shady places and girls working in and around TS. Possible the SK trolls around the area, looking for potential girls? Also, because some of the calls in Melissa's case came from TS, LE figured it was because it would be hard to track from there...which may be true, but what if the SK has another reason for being in TS?
 
WOW!!! You all have sure been busy!

I just re-read the 48 hrs show transcript and there's additional info there that I had not remembered. I thought might be helpful for us to compare facts from the 48 hrs show and the NY article that MK posted. Here's a link.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/12/48hours/main20078763.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody


wm

The thing that jumps out at me from the 2 articles I linked, and the transcript you linked, is that police didn't seem interested in these missing person reports until AFTER the four bodies were found at Gilgo. The Gilbert's say they badgered police for 7 months before investigators started searching in earnest.

Maureen's family had to come to NY themselves and searched for her, and the sister says that SHE retrieved Maureen's emails and phone records herself and turned them over to police. If CT cops had hauled butt down there and gotten Maureen's laptop themselves, why would the sister have had to give them phone records and emails? It doesn't make sense. It doesn't even make sense that Maureen HAD a laptop with her, imo...if she did, and she only worked out of her hotel room, why on earth would she have had to call friends to refresh her ads for her? (I know, I'm repeating myself.)

In Shannan's case...HOW long was it before police bothered to search Brewer's home and confiscate his vehicle? Even Brewer says that Shannan's jacket sat outside his house for days before it "got lost". What about the ear ring Shannan's sister found on the sidewalk? How come police didn't retrieve the security tape from the gated community, if they had REALLY been trying to find out what happened to Shannan?

The one thing I'm absolutely convinced of, at least in the case of Shannan and Maureen is that cops didn't give a flip about these girls disappearances.

<snipped by me>

Gus Colletti was waiting at the gate for the officer when he arrived.


"Did the police seem concerned about the missing - " Moriarty asks Colletti.


"Not at all."
 
Okay, let me bring this together, just that I get it too:

1.) Maureen worked strictly from a hotel in Manhattan and refused to work outside of Manhattan. That doesn't say, she wouldn't do outcalls in Manhattan.

2.) She called from the bus terminal, which indicates, she was on her way home. Whatever time it was, she was finished with her business.

3.) Even if she didn't check out from the hotel, she would have taken her laptop if she had with it in Manhattan in the first place, but that would mean, the robber would have taken it. So, the laptop had to be in CT, not in the hotel room, there is simply no other way.

4.) The bus terminal is near Times Square, did I get that right (I'm in the Midwest, nowhere near NY)? Remember, at least one of the killer's phone calls to Mellissa's sister was pinged back to Times Square.

5.) Bus Terminals have some attraction to serial killers. Even at the peak of traffic, there is always a shady corner. Gacy abducted from bus terminals, I remember a German case of a guy who abducted girls from a bus terminal and I'm sure, I will find more if I dig. The nice thing, from the pov of a serial killer, is, that nobody really pays attention because everyone is too busy with the own stuff.

6.) This whole ad-business is a bit foggy. Okay, they renewed ads ... and okay, they asked friends to do it. But who did Maureen ask to do her ads? There must be someone.

Now, lets speculate a little:
Maureen was at the bus stop, not at LI when we have the last trace. She could have asked for the money, we talk here about five dollars? The desperation to pull a quick trip couldn't have been that big and, if it was, a ten minute quickie would have brought her the money rather than making out with a new client (the ads didn't include the cell phone number? If so, there had to be a contact person. She couldn't read her emails directly, remember the laptop problem).
That places Maureen and her killer in Manhattan, near Times Square (where he also was pinged with Melissa's phone much later). But then, what do we have here? Was Maureen just a victim of convenience? That would mean, our killer either started then to establish his signature part of hunting for Craigslist escorts instead of street corner girls and there is nothing, that would make him go from victims of convenience to the victims that demand more afford to lure them in the first place.
The other possibility is, the killer knew her by sight or knew her ads, only the situation was random. Then, it was an accident to run in him and the murder was spontaneous, as if a dam suddenly breaks.
The point here, that bugs me more than the laptops are the cell phones. Someone tried to get Maureen's voice messages a year after her disappearance? Did I get that right? That would indicate, the killer kept cell phones as souvenir. Cells have quite some souvenir qualities because they hold pictures. And, due to the phone registers stored on them, they offer the killer a posthumous access to his victim's whole life.
There is a third option: As I said, it's maybe a silly idea, but what if the connection is really the client? Nowhere is written in stone, this client is from LI or has only sex in LI. But if, IF, IF ... old man wastes his money with prostitutes at $1000 rates, would that be a reason for a potential heir to snap? It would of course explain, why we have this pattern of all four going to a client, one returning from this client and get abducted later, but all four dropped in the same area and with the same signature. Because if the killer is connected to the client, he would stalk them from the time, they met with the client. However, there is a problem. LE didn't find the same client for all four victims. Which means, he exists and they just were not able to find him or he had other contacts and didn't need to go via Craigslist or at least not always. Which would indicate, some of our victims had mutual acquaintances.
However, how I turn and twist it, I don't see Craigslist as the only common denominator. And I want to take a look at the victimology again. They all looked different. Different sizes, different ages, different hair colors, different face shapes, ... all different. That would, if the killer is connected to one special client, mean, this client doesn't have a special type he finds attractive. Lets face it, the older men get, the less picky they become, but that effect is normally countered if the man has money. Because money allows the same kind of pickyness earlier in life is enabled by physical attraction. So, this speculative client spends $1000 or even more on prostitutes, that means, he has some money. Honestly, I can't bring that victimology together. Because if he would be just a guy liking his change, we would find also African-American or Asian under the victims. Unless of course there were, there is a second dump site and they weren't found yet.
So, there is something, we don't see yet in the mix. Other bodies, places in NYC and surroundings, social contacts of the victims. Something.
 
Peter, I agree there is something that we aren't seeing just yet...whether it be the NYC locations, the dates, whatever it may be, it's there, just not totally visible.

And you are correct, Maureen's phone pinged in 2008, the only year there is no victim (that we know of) someone tried to access her vmail. So there were victims in 2007, 2009, 2010, but not 2008. Also, I've been thinking, you're on target with the cell phone as souvenirs, and what jumps out at me is the Maureen was known to be at the Port Authority, (Times Square), and her phone pinged one year later near the victim site in LI. Now, Melissa's phone pinged at several locations, including Times Square and MSG - what strikes me as the SK would want high traffic areas to make the calls harder to trace, but Times Square and MSG are also two of the busiest transportation hubs in the world (PA and Penn Station) I firmly believe there is another reason why he was at these locations aside from using her phone, whether it be for transportation, work, etc..
 
Okay, let me bring this together, just that I get it too:

1.) Maureen worked strictly from a hotel in Manhattan and refused to work outside of Manhattan. That doesn't say, she wouldn't do outcalls in Manhattan.

2.) She called from the bus terminal, which indicates, she was on her way home. Whatever time it was, she was finished with her business.

3.) Even if she didn't check out from the hotel, she would have taken her laptop if she had with it in Manhattan in the first place, but that would mean, the robber would have taken it. So, the laptop had to be in CT, not in the hotel room, there is simply no other way.

4.) The bus terminal is near Times Square, did I get that right (I'm in the Midwest, nowhere near NY)? Remember, at least one of the killer's phone calls to Mellissa's sister was pinged back to Times Square.

5.) Bus Terminals have some attraction to serial killers. Even at the peak of traffic, there is always a shady corner. Gacy abducted from bus terminals, I remember a German case of a guy who abducted girls from a bus terminal and I'm sure, I will find more if I dig. The nice thing, from the pov of a serial killer, is, that nobody really pays attention because everyone is too busy with the own stuff.

6.) This whole ad-business is a bit foggy. Okay, they renewed ads ... and okay, they asked friends to do it. But who did Maureen ask to do her ads? There must be someone.

Now, lets speculate a little:
Maureen was at the bus stop, not at LI when we have the last trace. She could have asked for the money, we talk here about five dollars? The desperation to pull a quick trip couldn't have been that big and, if it was, a ten minute quickie would have brought her the money rather than making out with a new client (the ads didn't include the cell phone number? If so, there had to be a contact person. She couldn't read her emails directly, remember the laptop problem).
That places Maureen and her killer in Manhattan, near Times Square (where he also was pinged with Melissa's phone much later). But then, what do we have here? Was Maureen just a victim of convenience? That would mean, our killer either started then to establish his signature part of hunting for Craigslist escorts instead of street corner girls and there is nothing, that would make him go from victims of convenience to the victims that demand more afford to lure them in the first place.
The other possibility is, the killer knew her by sight or knew her ads, only the situation was random. Then, it was an accident to run in him and the murder was spontaneous, as if a dam suddenly breaks.
The point here, that bugs me more than the laptops are the cell phones. Someone tried to get Maureen's voice messages a year after her disappearance? Did I get that right? That would indicate, the killer kept cell phones as souvenir. Cells have quite some souvenir qualities because they hold pictures. And, due to the phone registers stored on them, they offer the killer a posthumous access to his victim's whole life.
There is a third option: As I said, it's maybe a silly idea, but what if the connection is really the client? Nowhere is written in stone, this client is from LI or has only sex in LI. But if, IF, IF ... old man wastes his money with prostitutes at $1000 rates, would that be a reason for a potential heir to snap? It would of course explain, why we have this pattern of all four going to a client, one returning from this client and get abducted later, but all four dropped in the same area and with the same signature. Because if the killer is connected to the client, he would stalk them from the time, they met with the client. However, there is a problem. LE didn't find the same client for all four victims. Which means, he exists and they just were not able to find him or he had other contacts and didn't need to go via Craigslist or at least not always. Which would indicate, some of our victims had mutual acquaintances.
However, how I turn and twist it, I don't see Craigslist as the only common denominator. And I want to take a look at the victimology again. They all looked different. Different sizes, different ages, different hair colors, different face shapes, ... all different. That would, if the killer is connected to one special client, mean, this client doesn't have a special type he finds attractive. Lets face it, the older men get, the less picky they become, but that effect is normally countered if the man has money. Because money allows the same kind of pickyness earlier in life is enabled by physical attraction. So, this speculative client spends $1000 or even more on prostitutes, that means, he has some money. Honestly, I can't bring that victimology together. Because if he would be just a guy liking his change, we would find also African-American or Asian under the victims. Unless of course there were, there is a second dump site and they weren't found yet.
So, there is something, we don't see yet in the mix. Other bodies, places in NYC and surroundings, social contacts of the victims. Something.

BBM

Again, I don't understand where you are getting this assumption from. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that any of the girls, on the evening of her disappearance, met a client, left that client, and then was later abducted by this client on the same night.

I'm trying to understand what you are saying here, Peter...but I just flat out don't know where you are getting this from.
 
Peter, I agree there is something that we aren't seeing just yet...whether it be the NYC locations, the dates, whatever it may be, it's there, just not totally visible.

And you are correct, Maureen's phone pinged in 2008, the only year there is no victim (that we know of) someone tried to access her vmail. So there were victims in 2007, 2009, 2010, but not 2008. Also, I've been thinking, you're on target with the cell phone as souvenirs, and what jumps out at me is the Maureen was known to be at the Port Authority, (Times Square), and her phone pinged one year later near the victim site in LI. Now, Melissa's phone pinged at several locations, including Times Square and MSG - what strikes me as the SK would want high traffic areas to make the calls harder to trace, but Times Square and MSG are also two of the busiest transportation hubs in the world (PA and Penn Station) I firmly believe there is another reason why he was at these locations aside from using her phone, whether it be for transportation, work, etc..

What makes me wonder, after Maureen near Times Square and Melissa's phone after her death at Madison Square Garden (I assume, that's MSG?) and Times Square, is he maybe living in Manhattan? Phone calls are not like sending a letter to a newspaper office. They are direct, so it's logical to assume, the phone calls were either made from the dump site or the comfort zone. We know, some came from the dump site, but what about the other calls in Melissa's case?
Unfortunately, I am too far from New York (mentally as physically) to understand that place at all. What is around there, how far are the living neighborhoods, how far to business and workshop areas (our killer seems to hold them for a time, so he needs a secondary site with some privacy). Honestly, I think, I understand serial killers better than New Yorkers right now. :innocent:
 
BBM

Again, I don't understand where you are getting this assumption from. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that any of the girls, on the evening of her disappearance, met a client, left that client, and then was later abducted by this client on the same night.

I'm trying to understand what you are saying here, Peter...but I just flat out don't know where you are getting this from.

Except for Maureen making phone calls from the bus terminal ... Lets make this simple:

1.) She came to Manhattan to meet with clients (her sister said so)

2.) The phone was pinged at the port authorities bus terminal (this is from LE)

3.) She told friends, she needed a ride home, so her business was finished. (this is from the receivers of the phone call)

So, unless you claim, she had sex with the client at the bus terminal, her business with the client had ended a while ago because she obviously had already reached the bus terminal and had enough time to get robbed in between.
 
Except for Maureen making phone calls from the bus terminal ... Lets make this simple:

1.) She came to Manhattan to meet with clients (her sister said so)

2.) The phone was pinged at the port authorities bus terminal (this is from LE)

3.) She told friends, she needed a ride home, so her business was finished. (this is from the receivers of the phone call)

So, unless you claim, she had sex with the client at the bus terminal, her business with the client had ended a while ago because she obviously had already reached the bus terminal and had enough time to get robbed in between.

1). Agreed...she had come into the city for the weekend to work.

2). Maureen's phone didn't ping from PABT that we know of. That's never been reported in any article I've ever read. You're thinking of Melissa's phone, I believe. But at any rate, a friend did say that Maureen had called them from PABT that night. So we can agree on that point.

3). She did tell friends she needed a ride home that night. However, we don't know the full details of that. Perhaps she had asked these friends if they could pick her up much later. We have no idea what time this call took place. So any assumption we make about what she did after she called friends are just guesswork at best.

But the thing I'm not getting with respect to what you are saying about the client (meaning the person who killed her, I assume), is that we have nothing what so ever that says she had seen him at any point prior to calling friends from the bus terminal. For all we know, she might have booked a date with this guy for an hour, and called friends to pick her up at a time later, when she would be finished with this last date. Or maybe he just happened to see her ad and ring her up while she was at the PABT, and she decided to try to make alittle extra money before returning home. Or maybe he wasn't even a client at all, but just someone she found who said they could give her a ride back to CT. WE DON'T KNOW. We also don't have any idea when Maureen was robbed of her money. She could have been robbed at 10 that morning for all we know. We don't even know the circumstances of this "robbery". She could have been ripped off during a drug deal for all we know.

Is it possible she had seen a client earlier who ended up coming back and killing her later? I guess it's possible. I just don't understand why you state that that is what happened with such certainty, when there are so many facts about that night that we don't even know.

JMO
 
1). Agreed...she had come into the city for the weekend to work.

2). Maureen's phone didn't ping from PABT that we know of. That's never been reported in any article I've ever read. You're thinking of Melissa's phone, I believe. But at any rate, a friend did say that Maureen had called them from PABT that night. So we can agree on that point.

3). She did tell friends she needed a ride home that night. However, we don't know the full details of that. Perhaps she had asked these friends if they could pick her up much later. We have no idea what time this call took place. So any assumption we make about what she did after she called friends are just guesswork at best.

But the thing I'm not getting with respect to what you are saying about the client (meaning the person who killed her, I assume), is that we have nothing what so ever that says she had seen him at any point prior to calling friends from the bus terminal. For all we know, she might have booked a date with this guy for an hour, and called friends to pick her up at a time later, when she would be finished with this last date. Or maybe he just happened to see her ad and ring her up while she was at the PABT, and she decided to try to make alittle extra money before returning home. Or maybe he wasn't even a client at all, but just someone she found who said they could give her a ride back to CT. WE DON'T KNOW. We also don't have any idea when Maureen was robbed of her money. She could have been robbed at 10 that morning for all we know. We don't even know the circumstances of this "robbery". She could have been ripped off during a drug deal for all we know.

Is it possible she had seen a client earlier who ended up coming back and killing her later? I guess it's possible. I just don't understand why you state that that is what happened with such certainty, when there are so many facts about that night that we don't even know.

JMO

Wasn't Maureen supposed to meet a John in NJ (or from NJ, I can't remember) but she was a "no show". I seem to remember something in addition to the Staten Island cop that called her. That the police talked to one John from NJ and he said she was a "no show". I am getting that right or wrong?
 
1). Agreed...she had come into the city for the weekend to work.

2). Maureen's phone didn't ping from PABT that we know of. That's never been reported in any article I've ever read. You're thinking of Melissa's phone, I believe. But at any rate, a friend did say that Maureen had called them from PABT that night. So we can agree on that point.

3). She did tell friends she needed a ride home that night. However, we don't know the full details of that. Perhaps she had asked these friends if they could pick her up much later. We have no idea what time this call took place. So any assumption we make about what she did after she called friends are just guesswork at best.

But the thing I'm not getting with respect to what you are saying about the client (meaning the person who killed her, I assume), is that we have nothing what so ever that says she had seen him at any point prior to calling friends from the bus terminal. For all we know, she might have booked a date with this guy for an hour, and called friends to pick her up at a time later, when she would be finished with this last date. Or maybe he just happened to see her ad and ring her up while she was at the PABT, and she decided to try to make alittle extra money before returning home. Or maybe he wasn't even a client at all, but just someone she found who said they could give her a ride back to CT. WE DON'T KNOW. We also don't have any idea when Maureen was robbed of her money. She could have been robbed at 10 that morning for all we know. We don't even know the circumstances of this "robbery". She could have been ripped off during a drug deal for all we know.

Is it possible she had seen a client earlier who ended up coming back and killing her later? I guess it's possible. I just don't understand why you state that that is what happened with such certainty, when there are so many facts about that night that we don't even know.

JMO

Of course, it is also possible, she went in without seeing a client at all and it was someone totally else who she met ... or may, she made out a ride home (which everyone seems to deny now) in an hour and put a date in Long Island in, to shorten the waiting time ... but LI is alone an hour drive? Or wait, she met with a client, she left there (because she was later at the terminal), made out a ride home and the client followed her and killed her ... wait, why should he, after he had her earlier already in a controlled environment. Or, she had several clients, and not the last one killed her but the first one ... wait, that would have probably taken some attraction from her for the later clients ...

No, lets just follow Okam's razor for a moment. She was at the bus terminal. Whatever happened to her, it happened later to her. Why was she at the bus terminal in the first place? To ride home! That's the whole point.

On a more general note: By my experience, the thing, that gives away most serial killers is the victimology. But it is rarely what we want to see, it is rarely the obvious, that connects the victims. Maybe you remember Abuelazam, the Flint-Stabber? Everybody was yelling, it was a white supremacist, it was racial motivated, he was mental ill and had probably been in jail before. I pulled the ire of a lot of people, when I commented on the case on several news boards, that a serial killer who kills blacks in an area with a 90% black population is not necessarily a white supremacist, he just kills according to the population statistics. And in fact, one or two victims were white, but hey, who cared, most people he attacked were blacks. Now, in the end, it was, all his victims were weak and sick, one even in a wheelchair. That was in fact the common denominator, pointing out a killer who had worked for a time in a hospital or care institution of some kind where he was surrounded by weak and sick people. Of, course, nowadays, everybody believes it, back then, when the hunt was on, nobody did.
The point to learn here is, the things, we see first are the obvious things, but rarely the only things connecting the victims. So, why do you deny every look at other possible common denominators, if, according to your own words, we know so little?
 
Wasn't Maureen supposed to meet a John in NJ (or from NJ, I can't remember) but she was a "no show". I seem to remember something in addition to the Staten Island cop that called her. That the police talked to one John from NJ and he said she was a "no show". I am getting that right or wrong?

The first, I heard. But then, the same rumor was around for Megan Waterman for a while on some boards and I never found anything that would corroborate that. Maybe you are a better searcher than me, so, go for it?
 
Wasn't Maureen supposed to meet a John in NJ (or from NJ, I can't remember) but she was a "no show". I seem to remember something in addition to the Staten Island cop that called her. That the police talked to one John from NJ and he said she was a "no show". I am getting that right or wrong?

I honestly don't know, Goathair. But it would be good info to have if we can try to verify it. Let's look and see if we can find anything in msm to support that.
 
Of course, it is also possible, she went in without seeing a client at all and it was someone totally else who she met ... or may, she made out a ride home (which everyone seems to deny now) in an hour and put a date in Long Island in, to shorten the waiting time ... but LI is alone an hour drive? Or wait, she met with a client, she left there (because she was later at the terminal), made out a ride home and the client followed her and killed her ... wait, why should he, after he had her earlier already in a controlled environment. Or, she had several clients, and not the last one killed her but the first one ... wait, that would have probably taken some attraction from her for the later clients ...

No, lets just follow Okam's razor for a moment. She was at the bus terminal. Whatever happened to her, it happened later to her. Why was she at the bus terminal in the first place? To ride home! That's the whole point.

On a more general note: By my experience, the thing, that gives away most serial killers is the victimology. But it is rarely what we want to see, it is rarely the obvious, that connects the victims. Maybe you remember Abuelazam, the Flint-Stabber? Everybody was yelling, it was a white supremacist, it was racial motivated, he was mental ill and had probably been in jail before. I pulled the ire of a lot of people, when I commented on the case on several news boards, that a serial killer who kills blacks in an area with a 90% black population is not necessarily a white supremacist, he just kills according to the population statistics. And in fact, one or two victims were white, but hey, who cared, most people he attacked were blacks. Now, in the end, it was, all his victims were weak and sick, one even in a wheelchair. That was in fact the common denominator, pointing out a killer who had worked for a time in a hospital or care institution of some kind where he was surrounded by weak and sick people. Of, course, nowadays, everybody believes it, back then, when the hunt was on, nobody did.
The point to learn here is, the things, we see first are the obvious things, but rarely the only things connecting the victims. So, why do you deny every look at other possible common denominators, if, according to your own words, we know so little?

I don't deny other possible common denominators IF there are facts that support them. It's when we start getting into wild speculation, and begin to state those speculations with certainty, that I begin to take issue. It's the difference between saying, "Shannan was killed by CPH" and "Shannan disappeared from a house in Oak Beach". One is fact, and one is theory. When one begins to state theory as if it were fact, it muddies the waters, imo, and is more of a hinderance than a help. Not saying YOU are doing that, I'm simply trying to explain my position on these things.
 
Something I wanted to point out from the 48 Hours transcript that WM linked:

Maureen checked into a Super 8 Hotel in Manhattan, and like the other young women, the 25-year-old seemed to vanish in the night.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011...78763_page3.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

While I've become sceptacle of even msm reports at this point, I'm inclined to think this info accurate because it appears to have come directly from MBB's sister. It's useful info for those of us mapping, so I just wanted to draw attention to it. :)
 
Melissa was the one who was supposed to have a client in JC the night she went missing and never showed
 
I don't deny other possible common denominators IF there are facts that support them. It's when we start getting into wild speculation, and begin to state those speculations with certainty, that I begin to take issue. It's the difference between saying, "Shannan was killed by CPH" and "Shannan disappeared from a house in Oak Beach". One is fact, and one is theory. When one begins to state theory as if it were fact, it muddies the waters, imo, and is more of a hinderance than a help. Not saying YOU are doing that, I'm simply trying to explain my position on these things.

Bus terminal (in NYC), Melissa apartment in the Bronx, Costello apartment in North Babylon, Megan prostitute since years and all the time coming in from what CT? Still you jump all the time on me if I only mention, this case could have it's center in NY. And everytime, I mention, Maureen called from the bus terminal and go from there, you construct things, like a client, she made out with at that time, but ignore the question way she was at the bus terminal in the first place.
So, as you wrote in another post, we will just have to agree to disagree.
 
Something I wanted to point out from the 48 Hours transcript that WM linked:

Maureen checked into a Super 8 Hotel in Manhattan, and like the other young women, the 25-year-old seemed to vanish in the night.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011...78763_page3.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

While I've become sceptacle of even msm reports at this point, I'm inclined to think this info accurate because it appears to have come directly from MBB's sister. It's useful info for those of us mapping, so I just wanted to draw attention to it. :)

Careful reading reveals, it is not directly from her sister but a little writing trick of the article writer who couldn't resist some heart wrenching drama. And he doesn't notice the later phone call from the bus terminal either. Reminds me a bit about the articles in the Bundy case. Media tend to value sometimes drama higher than facts. And this hasn't become better since the mid 70s.
 
Wasn't Maureen supposed to meet a John in NJ (or from NJ, I can't remember) but she was a "no show". I seem to remember something in addition to the Staten Island cop that called her. That the police talked to one John from NJ and he said she was a "no show". I am getting that right or wrong?

It was Shannan that had a regular client in NJ and did not show up.
 
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