MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #9

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liz b. said:
He asked why M was there ? I wonder what her response was ? I know, this was the first night he (Jeremy ) had worked, but I find it interesting that he connected M's presence in his mom's bed with all of the other strange stuff, like the lights being on, screen on window popped out etc. Makes it seem like a highly unusual situation for M to be sleeping in his parents' room...MOO Wonder why he was ?
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Yes, Mom said Dad asked her that...so must have been unusual.
 
2:38 phone call….LE won’t confirm
JI reported his car was broken into last month


LE not saying much.....
 
epiphany said:
Jeanne P: was front door locked or unlocked?

Mom: I don't remember
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TY

IIRC, DB reported recently that she left the front door unlocked (for the first time).

Now she says she doesn't remember.

Okay.
 
epiphany said:
JP: what's first thing u thought?

Mom: maybe one of t boys picked her up...i don't know

JP: did anyone come to mind?

Mom: no, not really...panic, thoughts racing, dream

Mom: [re the boys] yeah, t boys woke up...screaming her name
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What? The boys woke up screaming her (the babie's name) ?

The mom is all over the place.

imo
 
I think it is pretty obvious why they are searching gutters, roof, etc... They are getting pings from the cell phones at the house still...they are searching every nook and cranny.
 
Cappuccino said:
Studies into false confessions have shown that 12 hours is the most dangerous time. Regardless of whether they've been to the bathroom or had a drink or snack, after 12 hours of questioning an innocent person is most at risk of confessing to a crime they didn't commit.

Jerry Hobbs withstood 14, but that didn't save him from 5 years in prison while a serial killer was running around killing other children. So I repeat, if you find yourself being questioned for 11 hours solid by LE, even with the odd bathroom break, the wise thing to do is end the interview and insist on going home.

And what else did LE need anyway? What questions did they neglect to ask during those 11 hours? I know full well parents need to be questioned, and I know crimes can't be cleared in an hour, but what exactly did LE expect to get in the 12th hour that they didn't get in the first 11?

It sounds to me like they had tunnel vision because the mom failed her polygraph and they were in the process of rail roading, when the husband very sensibly put a stop to it.
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My first question would be..."Dangerous to who?" My second would be...do you have a source for that "study?"

We don't know what LE needed...and we probably never will...but they saw something in that interview that caused them to want to go further.

And, for you to say that they were "railroading" the mom shows to me a bias towards LE anyway...so not sure that our discussion will ever be worth much.

I am not at all biased. I personally don't know what to believe yet, and am not saying the parents did it or that someone else did it, BUT, what I am saying that for a possible murdered baby, 11 hours is not too long to be questioned. And that is my honest opinion.
 
Cappuccino said:
Studies into false confessions have shown that 12 hours is the most dangerous time. Regardless of whether they've been to the bathroom or had a drink or snack, after 12 hours of questioning an innocent person is most at risk of confessing to a crime they didn't commit.

Jerry Hobbs withstood 14, but that didn't save him from 5 years in prison while a serial killer was running around killing other children. So I repeat, if you find yourself being questioned for 11 hours solid by LE, even with the odd bathroom break, the wise thing to do is end the interview and insist on going home.

And what else did LE need anyway? What questions did they neglect to ask during those 11 hours? I know full well parents need to be questioned, and I know crimes can't be cleared in an hour, but what exactly did LE expect to get in the 12th hour that they didn't get in the first 11?

It sounds to me like they had tunnel vision because the mom failed her polygraph and they were in the process of rail roading, when the husband very sensibly put a stop to it.
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I would think that any "failed polygraph" would put any LE dept. into "tunnel vision". I know it put me into tunnel vision on every missing child case that I have followed, and it is many.
 
Renea said:
I think it is pretty obvious why they are searching gutters, roof, etc... They are getting pings from the cell phones at the house still...they are searching every nook and cranny.
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hope they check the freezer.
 
No I think she said she must have left it unlocked since LE can't figure out how entry was made otherwise. I don't think she has stated she has specific recall of leaving the door unlocked. I believe she has agreed with the suggestion that she must have left it unlocked since it was unlocked and there was no forced entry.

At least I believe that is what I have seen from her thus far.
 
epiphany said:
JP: what's first thing u thought?

Mom: maybe one of t boys picked her up...i don't know

JP: did anyone come to mind?

Mom: no, not really...panic, thoughts racing, dream

Mom: [re the boys] yeah, t boys woke up...screaming her name
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------------thanks for the updates for those of without Fox!

..( one of the boys picked her up??)
..it couldn't have been the younger one----she says he was in bed with her-----and the new stray kitten.
 
epiphany said:
JP: what's first thing u thought?

Mom: maybe one of t boys picked her up...i don't know

JP: did anyone come to mind?

Mom: no, not really...panic, thoughts racing, dream

Mom: [re the boys] yeah, t boys woke up...screaming her name
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How interesting that she went straight to one of the boys... MOO
 
I wonder what time M came into bed with DB. Did he possibly wake up a little during whatever was occurring with Baby Lisa and wander to the parents' bedroom afterward, but may not necessarily be cognizant of why he woke?
 
epiphany said:
Captain Young: re phone call at 2:38 from 1 of phones
can't discuss

i challenge anyone to think of anything we haven't done

Jeanne P: father's car broken into last month; he made a police report
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That's solid proof there was a 2:28 am phone call. A call Cpt. Young can't discuss.

bbm

imo
 
Jeanne P: re who do u think abducted daughter?

Dad: no one comes to mind; i ran outside; ran to neighbors-she wasn't there; grabbed flashlight...

JP: how did u pick names to give to LE?

Dad: ...started thinking of things, clues...peop who had miscarriages; peop who had divorces...___cheating on their husbands...
 
Renea said:
I think it is pretty obvious why they are searching gutters, roof, etc... They are getting pings from the cell phones at the house still...they are searching every nook and cranny.
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Is that possible though if the battery is dead?
 
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