*graphic and adult content* Jodi Arias Trial media/ timeline thread **no discussion**

considering we may be talking more about DB on monday here is his testimony, etc:

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met in 2001 and were together four years

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195462&page=5
info on relationship

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cross starts: oh those pesky gas cans!

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oopsie! Arias ends up at his house vs utah.. and what is up with Matt showing up.. his phone records are also in play

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most interesting by far: she has money trouble but buys breast implants, she becomes distant, she bails the house and leaves him with it, she calls him hysterical in June saying Travis is dead and she "DOESN'T HAVE AN ALIBI".. oh and she returns to "GIVE HIM A REMOTE"

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Jodi Arias Murder Trial day 10. Part 1 - YouTube

Jodi Arias Trial - Day 10 - Part 2 - YouTube

(I believe brewer is in part 2)

JM: Ma'am take a look at exhibit 413. You recognize that exhibit, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And that's a picture of you, correct?
JA: yes
JM: and the other one is a picture of your dumb sister, Angela, correct?
JA: That's my sister, she's not dumb.
JM: Well, do you remember having a conversation with Travis Alexander back on May 10 of 2008?
JA: Yes
JM: And do you remember that you tape-recorded that conversation?
JA: Yes
JM: And during that conversation isn't it true that you said I honestly think, talking about Angela, she's a little bit dumb. You said that, right?
JA: Yes, I called her dumb and stupid
JM: Did I ask you whether or not you called her stupid ma'am?
JA: No
JM: I asked you whether or not you called her dumb, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Now take a look at exhibit 452. Do you recognize the two people there?
JA: Yes
JM: And this photograph was taken by your camera, correct?
JA: It looks like it.
JM: Well, when you say it looks like it, isn't it part of the same photographs that are involved in exhibit 413?
JA: Um, I think it is
JM: well exhibit number 413 that was taken on May 10 (bring it in) of 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and this photograph here, exhibit number 413, features the color of your hair doesn't it?
JA: And exhibit 452 also features the color of your hair doesn't it?
JA: Yes, a different part of my hair
JM: and this was taken sometime in May of 2008, correct
JA: this exhibit?
JM: No, exhibit 452
JA: I only remember it was the spring, I think
JM: of 2008
JA: yes

[Move for the admission of 452
Objection, lack of foundation. Counsel approach
452 is admitted]

JM: Ma'am take a look at the back of exhibit 452 to see the date on that. Does that date refresh your recollection as to when this photograph was taken?
JA: yes
JM: and what date was this photograph taken
JA: 5 days later the 15th of May, 2008
JM: And with regard to this photograph, it also features you and it also features your sister the one that you also said was stupid, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Now with regard to this name calling, one of the things that we heard through a text message was that you were upset at somepoint because Mr. Alexander said that you were going to turn out like your mother, or you were acting like your mother, do you remember that text message, ma'am?
JA: Yes
JM: And in that text message there was this indication that somehow he was saying something bad about your mother
JA: Yes
JM: And when you testified, you seemed to get pretty upset about that, right?
JA: I remember getting emotional
JM: and you indicated that you loved your mother
JA: I do love my mother, yes
JM: did you or did you not indicate that you loved your mother, I'm not asking you if you love your mother, I'm asking you if you indicated it.
JA: I don't remember
JM: Do you have problems with your memory, ma'am
JA: Sometimes
JM: So you can tell us, for example what kind coffee you bought at Starbucks back on June 3, 2008 , but you can't tell us what you said yesterday or the day before
JA: I always have the same drink at Starbucks
JM: And you can tell us, for example, what type of sex you had with Mr. Alexander many years ago, but your having trouble telling us what you said a couple days ago
JA: when I'm under stress, yeah, it effects my memory
JM: I thought you said that your relationship with Mr. Alexander was very stressful
JA: some of the sex wasn't
JM: pardon
JA: some of the sex wasn't
JM: so you did enjoy the sex then , is that what you're telling me?
JA: at times I did.
JM: but you did indicate at some point that, as part of your examination also that, Mr. Alexander at some point said something about your grandparents also. Do you remember telling us that?
JA: my grandfather
JM: right, that he made some perjorative comment, or some bad comment about him, right?
JA: yes his name
JM: Right and one of the things that seems to be coming out here is that you have a double standard with regard to making comments about people, don't you
JA: yes I do
objection, overruled
JA: I do
JM: and in fact it's okay for you to make comments about, for example, Angela to call her dumb and stupid, right
JA: no,
JM: well you said it right
JA: I did
JM: and we heard on the telephone conversation that you were laughing when you said that, right?
JA: it was sentimental, kind of
JM: you were laughing, you weren't upset when you said it, were you?
JA: no
JM: and then when Mr. Alexander says something like you're going to be like your mother, that's when you get emotional and upset, right?
JA: I did
JM: and you get upset when he says something about your grandfather, right?
JA: that night I was upset
JM: well you did get upset, yes or no
JA: no because I already was upset
JM: Well, you didn't get upset on the witness stand when you told us about that?

JA: oh yeah on the witness stand, certainly

JM: and it's okay to say these things unless it's Mr. Alexander that's saying them, right? You're applying a different standard to Mr. Alexander, correct, yes or no?
JA: No

Peeping
JM: ma'am one of the other things that we know regarding this standard applying, yesterday in fact
you told us back in August of 2007 you went to Mr. Alexander's house, do you remember telling us that?
JA: Yes
JM: And do you remember telling as at that time, you were broken up with Mr. Alexander
JA: Yes I had broken up with him
JM: well you had broken up with him or he had broken up with you, one or the other, correct?
JA: I broke up with him about a month before
JM: and you broke up with him on June 29, 2007, but you felt that it was okay for you to go over to his house in August 2007 didn't you?
JA: after he told me to
JM: yes or no, did you feel it was okay to go over to his house?
JA: I said yes
JM: and when you went over to his house you indicated that you knocked or you did something and that nobody came to the door right?
JA: I went over to his house a lot of times in August so it depends on the incident your refering to
JM: Ma'am we're talking about the incident you told us about yesterday related to the killing do you not remember that
JA: I did not knock
JM: And you did go over there and at some point you started to peep in to the house, didn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: so that means that you don't know if you knocked then, right?
JA: I did not knock I know I did not
JM: So you went around the back to look, right
JA: I went around the back to get in
JM: You went around the back then, right
JA: Yes
JM: And when you went around the back, you're telling us you went around the back to get in, right
JA: Yes
JM: but when you got to the back to get in, you started to look at what was going on, right?
JA: I glanced in as I was walking to the sliding glass door
JM: You did walk in and you looked at what was going on,right?
JA: I did not walk in
JM: then you were outside looking in'
you never went in, right
No I ran out of the backyard
You never went in, right, yes or no?
JA: I said no
JM: and when you looked you saw something that upset you, right
JA: Yes
JM: you saw mr alexander,right
JA: I didn't know if it was him at first, but yes
JM: yes or no, did you see him during that encounter?
Objection she's answered the question, overruled, answer the question.
JA: I did, I said no
JM: pardon
JA: I didn't know it was him at first
JM: You didn't see him when you were there that night?
JA: I did afterward, yes
JM: That night Ma'am, that night, did you see Mr. Alexander inside that house, yes or no
JA: Yes
JM: and inside that house there was a female
JA: Yes
JM: What's the name of that female?
JA: He didn't tell me her name
JM: Did I ask you if he told you the name?
JA: No
JM: so did you recognize her
JA: no, I did not
JM: he was there with a female, you were able to see her face
JA: yes, sort of
JM: well yes and sort of means two different thing
JA: part of it was shadowed by the tv behind her
Judge, she's not answering my questions. Judge: answer only the question you are asked.
JA: Ok
JM: could you see her face, yes or no
JA: part of it
JM: But you were able to see that they were making out, right
JA: oh yeah they were
JM: So is that a yes, they were making out, right
JA: mmm hmm,
JM: is that a yes
JA: Yes
JM: and part of what you also saw was that her brassiere was off
JA: I didn't see that I just saw her re-hook her bra
JA: I didn't see it all the way off
JM: You indicated that you saw her hooking the brassiere back on, right
JA: she was rehooking it
JM: so you did tell us that yesterday, right
JA: yes
JM: So that means that at least her bra was unhooked, right?
JA: it was unhooked
JM: So you stood there and they stood up in reaction to something that you did, is that what you're telling us
JA: No
JM: they didn't see you,
JA: they didn't see me
JM: so what happened is that you were actually watching what they were doing?
JA: Briefly, yes
JM: did I ask you for how long, ma'am?
JA: No
JM: I asked you if you stood there and watched them, right
JA: no
JM: you didn't stand there and watch them
JA: no, I didn't stand there, I saw it and then I turned and ran out of the backyard.
JM: but you saw them enough to know they were kissing, right
JA: um, yes
JM: you used the term making out, didn't you yesterday
JA: yes
JM: You were there long enough to see that one of the individuals was Mr. Alexander not his roommate
JA: yes
JM: you were able to see there was a female, right
JA: Yes
JM: you saw the bra was unhooked, right
JA: Yes
JM: And the lights weren't on, right
JA: there was a light
JM: Well didn't you indicate it was like a TV kind of light
JA: that light
JM: Yes, so there was no light there was a television that was on
JA: that's light
JM: ma'am was it a light or was it a television that was on,
JA: it was light from a television screen
JM: So are you saying that it was a television that was on then
JA: Yes
JM: and from that light you were able to make all this out, correct
JA: yes
JM: No other light was on
JA: Not that I recall
JM: And then you decided to leave
JA: Yes
JM: And this was the point you were living very close to Mr. Alexander, right
JA: No
JM: Well, you were living within 10 miles of him weren't you?
JA: I was living between greenfield and Broadway, I don't know the length
JM: How long would it take you to drive it
JA: About 15 minutes depending on traffic
JM: And after you saw this one of the things you did was that you took off, right
JA: Yes
JM: And then you thought about it, right
JA: Of course
JM: And you felt strongly enough about this that the next day you called your father, right?
JA: I called my parents' house, my father answered
JM: Yes or no, you spoke to your father?
JA: I did speak to him
JM: And you were crying, right
JA: Yes
JM: And you were upset about this, right
JA: Yes
JM: And you told him why you were upset, right?
JA: Yes
JM: I thought you said before that you didn't discuss these issues involving you and Mr. Alexander?
JA: not typically
JM: Not typically, you said you didn't yesterday and the days before, remember telling us that?
JA: the violence, yes
JM: Oh, I see. But you did discuss the fact that you saw him kissing with somebody else with your father, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And as a result of that you decided to go talk to Mr. Alexander about it, right?
JA: Yes
JM: What in the world gave you the right to go talk to an ex-boyfriend with whom, according to you, you'd broken up with. What right do you have to do that?
KN: objection, Judge, argumentative. Judge: Sustained
JM: Ma'am, you knew that you could go and talk to him about that?
JA: Of course
JM: Why, weren't you broken up?
JA: Yes

JM: You were being territorial about him weren't you?
JA: No
JM: oh you weren't, then why in the world would you even care what he was doing?
JA: Because he was trying to court me back
JM: That's you telling us that he was trying to court you back, if he was trying to court you back you could have walked away at that point, couldn't you?
JA: Yeah, I could have at any time, I guess
JM: Well, at that point you could have walked away, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You didn't need him for his paycheck, right, cause he wasn't giving you money.
JA: He was giving me money
JM: Well that was for some work, but you could have gotten other work, right
JA: I guess I could have looked
JM: You guess? You worked at other places, you know you could have gotten other work, couldn't you?
JA: not in August it's a very slow season for restaurants
JM: So you're saying that you were restricted in only getting work at restaurants, that there's no other kind of work that you could get.
JA: Restaurants is
JM: Yes or no?
JA: I guess that would be no, but I hadn't thought about it.
JM: So thenin addition to that, you were living in your own place, right?
JA: No
JM: Well, you were living with Mr. Alexander?
JA: No
JM: You were living elsewhere, weren't you?
JA: Yes
JM: You were living in another place, right
JA: Yes
JM: Where you were paying rent, right?
JA: No
JM: You weren't paying any rent at all?
JA: Not with Rachell
JM: So, in other words it was even better for you, you didn't have to worry about having to pay the rent then, right
JA: Yes
JM: And so you could have just left that situation alone, yet you decided to confront him anyway, right?
JA: Of course.
JM: and the reason that you did it is because you were jealous, right?
JA: No
JM: and you did talk to hinm about this issue, correct.
JA: Yes
JM: And he got upset with you, right?
JA: No
JM: he didn't get upset and scream and run upstairs isn't that what you told us yesterday?
JA: Yes, he did
JM: So, ma'am to go back to this issue involving the text messages, one of the things that you told us was that there was a text message you sent to somebody by the name of Steve, Steve Carroll, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that it was a two part text message, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And this two part text message, one part ended up going to Mr. Alexander, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that he got upset about it right,
JA: very yes
JM: And after he got upset about it, one of the things he wanted was to see the second part of this text message, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so you lied to him at that point, right?
JA: No
JM: Well, you fabricated a second text message didn't you?
JA: After that point, yes.
JM: So, are you telling me that fabricating a text message is not a lie?
JA: No, I'm not saying that
JM: So you did lie to him, Mr. Alexander, right?
KN: Objection, asked and answered.
Judge: Overruled
JA: Um, Yes and no
JM: so you think that sending him that text message and telling him this is the second part of the text message that that's not a lie even though you fabricated it?
JA: That part was the lie
JM: And so then you were asked the question How did that make you feel when Mr. Alexander was
sending these text messages involving Mr. Carrol? Do you remember that line of questioning?
JA: Yes
JM: We're applying a different standard then, right?
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Sustained
JM: With regard to this issue of how you feel, isn't that the same way you felt when you were peeping in hi window in August of 2007? Isn't that the same kind of feeling you were having?
JA: the same as what
JM: As the one involving Steve Carrol
JA: I don't know
JM: you were mad at Mr. Alexander both times
JA: I wasn't mad at Alexander
JM: You weren't mad at him, but you were upset with him.
JA: what time
JM: either time
JA: Steve Carroll no, the girl from phoenix, yes.
JM: And it just seems that it's okay for you to lie to him about a guy, but when it comes to him being with some other girl, you decide to confront him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And one of the other things that you told us yesterday, was that you were monogamous with Mr. Alexander, right?
JA: Sexually, monogamous, yes
JM: Ma'am, you told us you were monogamous and that's what monogamous means, sexual, doesn't it?
JA: I think it means more than that, sometimes.
JM: Well, in this case monogamous means sexual doesn't it?
KN: Objection,
Judge: restate the question
JM: When you say monogamous it means sexual, doesn't it?
JA: which time
JM: The time that we're talking about right now., involving Mr. Alexander, no other time.
JA: Our relationship evolved so
JM: I'm not asking you if it evolved, at the end, right when you killed him, you indicated that you were monogamous with him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And at that time, you then left the killing scene if you will and you went up to Utah, right?
JA: Yes.
JM: And when you went up to Utah, you ended up with someone named Ryan Burns, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you ended up in his bed, right?
JA: I think it was a love sac
JM: Ok, and with regard to that, at that point, according to you Mr. Alexander still wasn't dead, was he?
JA: wasn't discussed.
JM: Well did I ask you whether or not you discussed it with Mr. Burns? I didn't, did I?
JA: I wasn't talking about Mr. Burns.
JM: I'm asking you at that time, didn't you tell us yesterday at the time that you went up to Utah, you weren't sure if he was dead, do you remember telling us that?
JA: Not in Utah from the Hoover Dam or right before the checkpoint.
JM: So, when did you konw that he was dead, tell me that.
JA: I got confimation of it on June 10, but
JM: So, okay if you got confimation on June 10th you met with Mr. Burns before June. 10th didn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: You met him on the 5th, right?
JA: Yes
JM: so at that point, you didn't know , according to your own story, that Mr. Alexander was dead, right?
JA: I guess I knew, I didn't Iwasn't accepting it
JM: you either knew or you didn't, which one is it ma'am? Make up your mind please.
KN: Objection, asked and answered.
Judge: Ask another question.
JM: Did you know he was dead when you and Mr. Burns were kissing?
KN: Objection, asked and answered.
Judge: Overruled
JA: Um, yeah I think
JM: You think you did or you weren't sure about it
JA: I wasn't really in my own mind, I was out of my mind, sorta.
JM: so if you didn't think he was dead, that portion of you didn't think he was dead, then it's okay for you at that point, if you didn't think he was dead to sort of roll around with Mr. Alexander, with Mr.Burns and that was okay, right?
JA: I'm single.
JM: Just like he was in August 8th in August of 2007
JA: Yes
JM: So it's okay for you, then it should be okay for him, right?
JA: It was okay.
JM: Then why did you confront him the next day if it was okay?
JA: Cause he was still courting me, I wanted to know where I stood.
JM: And because of your definition of courting you, you felt you deserved an explanation, right?
JA: yes
JM: Hadn't you just had intercourse with Mr. Alexander on the 4th of June?
JA: Yes
JM: And if he was still alive, he would have deserved an explanation then for you being with Mr. Burns, right?
JA: no
JM: Well, I mean that's you're applying a different standard here, aren't you?
JA: No
JM: You're saying that its okay for you to confront him about the situation, but not okay for Mr. Alexander to confront you, right?
JA: if he wanted to confront me, it would have been okay.

(24:15)
JM: Ma'am with regard to the exhibit number 452, it does show you, right, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: and it shows Angela, correct
JA: Yes
JM: It shows something else on there, doesn't it? Doesn't it show your hand?
JA: Yes
JM: In fact let me show you another close-up of that hand.
KN: I'm gonna object
Judge: Please approach

(25:58)
JM: Exhibit 453 is a closeup of your hand, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you can also see the jewelry around your sister's neck?
JA: Yes, yes
JM: And you previously have told us about exhibit 452 and when it was taken and who's in that photograph, right.
JA: Yes
JM: I move for the admission of exhibit 453.
KM: no objections

JM: And ma'am this was also taken, according to your testimony, on May 15, let's take a look at that, or 2008. That's a picture of your left hand, isn't it?
JA: Yes
JM: and it shows your ring finger right?
JA: yes
JM: Do you remember that on January 22nd of 2008 you and Mr. Alexander were involved in some sort of violent encounter. Do you remember telling us about that?
JA: Yes
JM: And you told us that during that encounter, he threw you down. Do you remember that?
JA: Yes
JM: And while you were down that he kicked you, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And when he kicked you, ma'am one of the things that happened is that you put up your left hand, do you remember telling us that?
JA: Yeah, both hends.
JM: Well, you told us specifically about your left hand, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And when you went to put up your left hand, according to you, he kicked you and he damaged the ring finger on your left hand, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: and in fact you even held it up for us, didn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: And it was crooked when you showed it to us, wasn't it?
JA: It's bent
JM: It's bent
JA: Yes
JM: Show us how bent it is again ma'am.
(Jodie hold up hand 27:46)
JM: Higher, so we can see it sideways. Ma'am if he caused that damage on January 22, 2008 that would have been before this picture we have here which is exhibit number 453 it would have been about, 5 months before that?
JA: It was before that
JM: Five months, right?
JA: 4
JM: Four months, then, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You don't have a bent finger here in exhibit 453, do you?
JA: My finger is bent there.
JM: You're saying that your finger is bent there?
JA: Yes, just the
Hold u your finger again.
When my finger is straightened
Hold up your finger again. Sideways so we can also see it.
JA: When my fingers are straightened this one stick up
JM: That's what it looks like, your finger, and your saying that happened on January 22nd 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Ma'am one of the other things involving this particular finger, it seems to have had it's run, if you will, of bad things happen to it, right?
JA: This finger?
JM: Yes, the left ring finger
JA: I don't know
JM: Well, you talked to Ryan Burns about it, didn't you
JA: Yes
JM: and you told him that that finger, the left ring finger had been damaged, injured, didn't you?
JA: I don't know if it was the left.
JM: You don't remember telling him it was the left ring finger?
JA: No

(29:12)
JM: Again, do you have a problem with your memory?
JA: Occasionaly
JM: And so some of the things that you've told us about other things in the past, you may have also had problems with your memory then, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And so whatever you told us in the past, is somewhat suspect then, because your memory may be lacking.
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Overruled
JA: I only told things that I remember clearly, that are crystallized in my mind.
JM: With regard to Mr. Burns, you do remember who he was, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you do remember that you went over to West Jordan to meet him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you do remember that you did meet him that Thursday and it was sometime around 11:00 in the morning?
JA: I think so yeah
JM: And when you met him you decided to go somewhere to a restaurant for a business meeting, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And during that time didn't you have a bandage on your finger?
JA: Yes
JM: And it was your left finger wasn't it?
JA: No
JM: It was your right finger then, right. Is that what you're saying, it was your right finger?
JA: It was two right fingers
JM: So it was your right finger then, right? Ma'am, are you sure that it was your right finger?
JA: It was two,
JM: Pardon?
JA: two right fingers.
(30:30)

JM: Do you remember then that you had a conversation with Det. Flores about this issue regarding your finger?
JA: Yes
JM: And do you remember that that was on July 16th of 2008?
JA: Yes
JM: and then you remember that you told him that on June 4th you had been over at Mr. Alexander's home, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you told him that you were over at Mr. Alexander's home and some a guy and a girl had come in, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that whatever happened on June 4th, you told Det. Flores that it was your left finger that had been damaged. Do you remember that?
JA: Yes
JM: So you did tell that to the detective that it happened on June 4th, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Does that then refresh your recollection in any way so that we know what we're talking about
[Sidebar, close-up of Jodi's finger still on the screen]

(Orange jumpsuit Interrogation video “My finger isn't the same........ I'm pretty sure she scratches me a lot”)
(37:54)

JM: That tape, that videotape, right
JA: yes
JM: And that's you having a conversation discussing the left ring-finger, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you demonstrated to Det. Flores that left ring-finger, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you told him that this woman during this attack on June 4, 2008 cut you right there, didn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: And you showed him and the finger, if we look at it there, had the same aspect, or the same angle to it that your finger does now, doesn't it?
JA: Yes
JM: Ma'am the injury to your finger happened on June 4th, 2008 not January 22nd, 2008, didn't it?
JA: That's not correct.

JM: Ma'am with regard to the story involving this particular issue you told us that it happened on January 22nd of 2008, right?
JA: Which issue?
JM: The left ring-finger
JA: Yes
JM: You then discussed it, there was this issue with Ryan Burns, right?
JA: which issue?
JM: The cut finger
JA: The cut finger, yes. Two fingers
JM: And then Junly 16th of 2008 you discussed it with Det. Flores, right?
JA: Yes
JM: One of the things you told Mr. Burns was that you cut it at Margaritaville while you were working there, right?
JA: No, I did not say that
JM: You never told him that?
JA: I said at work.
JM: So you never told him Margaritaville
JA: no he said that
JM: right but you never told him that you cut it at Margaritaville, right ?
JA: no
JM: you told him you cut it at work, right ?
JA: yes
JM: and then when you spoke to Detective Flores, you gave him a different story. You didn't say that you cut it at work you told him that it was cut some other way, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And then you testified about it in this court, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you gave us another story about how this happened, right?
JA: No
JM: Well, do you remember that you testified you were at Mr. Alexander's home on June 4, 2008 at the sink, do you remember telling us that?
JA: Yes
JM: and do you remember telling us that you dropped a glass in Mr. Alexander's house?
JA: June 4th
JM: Whatever date you were there at Mr. Alexander's house
JA: I broke more than one glass at his house.
JM: Ma'am to you remember testifying yesterday about how how you suffered this injury to your finger, yes or no?
JA: Not this finger
JM: No, do you remember testifying that, involving you finger, your left ring-finger in fact, that that was cut when you dropped a glass when you were at Mr. Alexander's house on the day that you killed him?
JA: I did not indicate my left finger, I said finger
JM: So you're saying it was your right finger that you cut at Mr. Alexander's house, right?
JA: It was my right finger, yes
JM: So throughout this whole thing,, Mr. Burns, when he indicated what finger it was, he was mistaken, well not he was mistaken, you're saying that you never told Mr. Burns that it was the right finger that you cut, right?
JA: We didn't discuss which hand.
JM: OK, so you never indicated to him in any way, shape, or form that it was the right finger?
KN: Objection
Judge: Sustained

(41:35) JOURNAL
JM: and this issue of the 22nd of January 22nd, when you injured, when you say that you were injured. You kept a journal, didn't you? You kept a journal didn't you?
JA: Yes, I did
JM: And you didn't write in it all the time, but you wrote in it some of the time, right?
JA: Frequently, yes
JM: Frequently. And you were writing about what was going on in your life back in January of 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you were writing about things that were significant to you, right?
JA: Some things
JM: Right, and in fact with regard to this particular journal, you knew that you could almost right anything you wanted in it because it was going to stay private, right?
JA: NO
JM: Well, ma'am let me show you what is marked as an exhibit..

(43:35)
JM: I'm showing you exhibit 242.001. Recognize it?
JA: Yes I do
JM: And that's your journal, right
JA: Sure is
JM: Let me have that, back. Take a look at the entry, just read it to yourself, on Sunday, August 26 of 07.
JA: The whole entry?
JM: Just read the first five lines, six lines.
JA: Yes
JM: You wrote that, write?
JA: Yes
JM: Take a look at exhibit number 455. Is this a true and accurate copy of those lines, fivor or six lines?
JA: Yes
JM: You wrote that back on August 26, of '07, right
JA: yes
JM: Let me have that back please. Move for the admission of exhibit 455.
At sidebar

(51:31)
Judge: 455 is admitted
JM: take a look at this entry from August 26, 2007 and when you're done reading it let us know
(Jodi thoroughly reading journal)
(53:44)
JA: Just this one entry
JM: Yes, just that one entry of August 26, 2007. I know you have two entries, but the first entry is the one we're talking about.
JA: Yeah it looks like I have three on that day.
JM: Have you read the first entry that involves this particular snipper?
JA: Yes
JM: Thank you
KN: Objection...before she answeres questions.
Judge: Overruled
JM: This journal, and your journals, were meant to be private, right?
JA: yes
JM: And that's what it says there: Well I guess it's a good thing that nobody else read this because I write right now that I love TVA so completely that I don't know anyway else to be. Correct, that's what it says?
JA: Yes
JM: Do you remember when we started talking this morning that we talked about an incident where you went over to his house?
JA: Yes
JM: and this was the incident that you referenced involving the killing, right. That it went through your head.
JA: Umm, are you talking about the incident in August 2007?
JM: Right, exactly.
JA: Yes
JM: That incident in August 2007 where you went over and peeped inside o his house happened before this entry here of Sunday Aug 26, 2007.
KN: Objection,... her testimony by saying peep
Judge: what was the last thing you said
KN: by saying peep
Judge: Restate your question
JM: When you looked inside the house?
JA: yes it did happen before this entry
JM: and so really the reason why you confronted Mr. Alexander was not because he owed you an explanation or anything like that. The reason you confroted him back in August of 2007 was because you were in love with him and you didn't want to let him go.
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Overruled
JA: that not right..but I was in love with him.
JM: yes, you did right this didn't you
JA: Yes
JM: Now, you kept more than one journal. You kept another one, right
JA: Umm, I kept one journal at a time.
JM: Let's take a look at another journal.
KN: Objection
At sidebar

(58:10)
JM: Ma'am, take a look at exhibit 242.002. You recognize it,right?
JA: Yes
JM: Why don't you open it up and look through it. (she looks) That's your writing throughout that whole journal, right?
JA: Yes
JM: If I I could have that back. There is an entry for Thursday, January 24th, 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Why don't you just take a look at it. See that?
JA: Yes
JM: Let me mark another exhibit for you. Take a look at exhibit 456. And with the exhibit that you have in front of you, that's the whole entry for January 24th, 2008, correct?
JA: Um, I believe it is for the single one, yes
JM: There are other entries but that is the complete entry for that one, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: because it's written in blue ink
JA: Yes
JM: and the others are written in black ink.
JA: yes, the one following.
JM: I move for the admission of exhibit number 456.
KN: can we approach?
Judge: Yes
(1:02:54)
JM: Ma'am we're gonna take a look at exhibit number 242.02 we talked about the entry of January 24th of 2009. Take a look at this journal and isn't true that the previous in terms of chronological time, that the prevoious entry is on January 20th of 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So there's a gap of four days between the time you wrote on January 20th and on January 24th 2008, right?
JA: yes
JM: Nothing in between, correct?
JA: Not in the journal
JM: I'm asking about the journal, ma'am.
JA: That's correct.
JM: Is there anything else in front of you?
KN: Asked and answered, your honor and argumentative
Judge: Sustained
JM: In the journal ma'am there are no other entries between January 20th of 2008 and January 24th of 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: If we then take a look at exhibit 456 let's see what you wrote on Thursday, January 24th of 2008.
You wrote: “I haven't written because there has been nothing noteworthy to report.” correct?
JA: Yes.
(also on the exhibit: I turned down 4 offers for a date this Saturday Friday night 4 separate events. That's mildly amusing. Instead I'm going to a dinner at Brother Porter's house. It's for a new ward members. I'm tempted to skip out)
JM: Didn't you tell aus involving the finger that this injury to your left finger when Mr. Alexander went to kick that that happened on January 22nd of 2008?
JA Yes, it did.
JM: Yet you write here that nothing noteworthy has happened, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And then you also write you turned down 4 offers for a date on Friday night, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You were free to date, so was he, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And then you finish it out by talking about going up to the snow, right? See that?
JA: Yes
JM: You're gonna gp up there skiing. you crossed it out and your just going up to the snow? Right?
JM: did you go skiing?
JA: No, I don't ski.
JM: pardon
JA: No, I don't ski, I didn't go.
(1:05:25) [1/20/2008]
JM: The entry of January 20th, 2008 (take a look at exhibit number 242.02) Count the pages please.
JA: The pages between the two
JM: No, just your entry of Sunday January 20th 2008, do you want me to show you where it is
JA: I have it. Um it's 4 and a few lines
JM: And it starts on the lower left hand corner with threee lines on a seperate page indicating January 20, of 2008, right?
JA: Yes. And I'm sorry, I misspoke, it's 5 pages and a few lines
JM: And in it one of the things that you talk about is this issue involving Lonnie's baptism, right?
JA: I haven't read it, can I read it?
JM: Sure, go ahead
(1:10:13)
JA: Yes
JM: It does talk about Lonnie's baptism, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And, previously, when you testified you indicated that the reason that you missed Lonnie's baptism was because you and Mr. Alexander were involved in a sexual liason, right?
JA: Yes.
JM: And this was a sexual liason where the pop rocks and the tootsie pops were involved, right? That's what you said, right?
JA: I'd have to reference dates
JM: Well then let me show you a transcript then to refresh your recollection of what you told us on February 12.
JA: I would appreciate that.
JM: alright, I will
(while waiting Jodi flips to other places in the diary and reads)
JM: Starting on page five, on the bottom, read that.
JA: Would you like me to read it outloud?
JM: To yourself
JA: Just the highlighted portion?
JM: Nope, just keep reading it
JA: Starting at the bottom?
JM: Right.

(reading)
Sidebar
JM: Have you read the entire transcript that deals with the sexual encounter involving the pop rocks and tootsie pops
JA: Yes, I started where you highlighted and finished it.
JM: Well read it above it, does it have anything to do with the tootsie pops and the rock pops?
JA: (reading again)OK
JM: Does the upper portion have anything to do with it, or no
JA: Yes
JM: Well read the other part to make sure we've covered everything regarding that particular encounter.
JA: (reading, reading, reading slowly)
Objection your honor...the entire transcript, can't hear judge
JA: There's nothing about the pop rocks on this page.
JM: There is nothing before that, correct?
KN: Judge, I'm going to object to the questions until she's read the entire transcript, I don't believe she has at this point
Judge: read the entire transcript.
JA: I've read the entire transcript
JM: Irrespective of the date that we're talking about, whether it was January 20 or January 21 or January 22, you do reference the pop rocks and tootsie pops sexual incident, by reference to Lonnie's baptism, right?
JA: Yes (opens and looks in journal)
JM: The journal entry of January 20, 2008 also references Lonnie's baptism, doesn't it? Take a look at exhibit 458.
JA: (reading)Yes
JM: And that's a true and accurate copy in front of you, the excerpt, of what's in your journal referencing Lonnie's baptism and the sexual encounter, isn't it.
JA: Yeah, let me make sure I'm refering to the same day in my journal
JM: Well let's take a look and make sure. Let me have that. (takes excerpt and journal). The first entry is identical on the first page that indicates Sunday, January 20, 2008.
JA: Yes, That's when I wrote the entry
JM: Then has we continue on, there is the entry involving the baptism, right? Do you see that? The start, that that entry is there involving Lonnie's baptism?
JA: Yes, I just don't know if I'm referencing the 20th in that part of the entry.
JM: Ma'am is there any other intervening date between the January 20th of 2008 where we started and the very end where you put J.A? Is there any other date in it?
JA: the, the, I
JM: Yes or no
JA: There might be
JM: Well, why don't we take a look. Let's take a look at the first page. The first page starts Sunday, January 20, 2008, doesn't it?
JA: When I wrote it, yes
JM: Does it start out saying Sunday January 20, 2008, yes or no?
JA: Yes
JM: And isn't it true that it starts out in black ink, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and then it continues on in blue ink, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and it flows, doesn't it? The words flow from what's at the bottom there to the next page, don't they?
JA: Yes
JM: So then we go to the bottom of it, the next page is also in blue ink, right?
JA: Yes
JM: In the next page there is no other date reference, is there?
KN: Objection, she said she needs to review it before she can answer
JM: She's looking at it
Judge: overruled, ma'am you can look at it
JA: Thank you (turns the page)
JM: No, no ma'am, don't turn the page. I just want to reference the next page to see if you see a date.
KN: Objection your honor, she's reviewing.
Judge: that's not the question, overruled
JA: I didn't write a date
JM: No, there is no date on there, is there?
JA: No
JM: Ok, Let's turn the page, and that page is also in blue ink, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And there is no date on that next page, is there?
JA: That's correct
JM: Then let's look at the page following that. That page, where you have your left hand on, that's also in blue ink.no,no,no you turned the page, go back. That's also in blue ink, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: and there is no date on there either, is there?
JA: that's correct
JM: Turn the page. And then, on the next page that's also in blue ink, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And there's no date on that, is there?
JA: That is correct.
JM: And the page after that contains the initials J.A., right?
JA: Yes
JM: That's for Jodi Arias, isn't it?
JA: Yes
JM: And that's also in blue ink
JA: Yes
JM: And there's no date that, is there?
JA: There is not.
JM: And if you turn the page, go ahead, there's an entry for January 24, 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: We can then go back. Turn the page once, we're looking at the entry that says J.A. on it, right?
JA: Yes
JM: We go to the previous page, the one that you're pointing to, it does start, if I may have it back, with a word that's in quotations, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Exhibit number 458 includes that particular portion of the entry in quotations, right?
JA: yes
JM: then if we go to the previous page, at the bottom of the page, it's also in blue ink, right?
JA: Yes
JM: the entry that I'm showing you now, includes that last paragraph, right?
JA: Second to last
JM: second to last paragraph, well if you take a look at the bottom you see that there's a word that's
JA: Oh, I apologize, you're correct.
JM: So in essence what we're talking about with the word thats crossed out and travels on to the next page, and that's what's included in this entry, correct in exhibit 458, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: along with the first page that includes the date
JA: yes
JM: and the entry or exhibit 458 references Lonnie's baptism, right?
JM: Move for the admission of exhibit 416.
KN: Your honor we will need additional time (paraphrased)

Afternoon Part 1
Exhibit 458 is admitted
JM: Ma'am when we left off we were talking the issue involving the Tootsie Pops and Pop Rocks and that that has a reference involving somebody named Lonnie and their baptism, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Regardless of whether is happened on Sunday or Thursday that's the same incident because you missed Lonnie's baptism, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Exhibit 458 is the entry for Sunday, January 20, 2008, do you see that?
JA: Yes
JM: (Entry on screen) And it starts out well I'm at the Institute building at Johnson and Southern with sister missionaries, rigt?
JA: Yes
JM: and there are some two blank pages and a third page that begins: (entry on screen) “so I went to the church building and met with the sisters and gave them a ride to the institute building, where I am now.” Correct?
JA: Yes
JM: That's part of the same entry for that January 20th 2008 date, right?
JA: Yes
JM: There are no, in that whole body of that particular entry, there are no other dates mentioned, correct?
JA: there's another day referenced, but not a date
JM: I'm asking dates, aren't I?
JA: It's implied, it is referenced.
JM: No, I'm asking dates, do you see anywhere in those 5 or 6 pages another date?
JA: yes
JM: Show me where there is another D A T E date on 242.002
JA: I'm counting this as a date where it says Thursday
JM: It says Thursday night, though doesn't it?
JA: yes
JM: it doesn't say a date, does it?
JA: No
JM: we're getting to it where it says Thursday that's in the lower right hand corner of this exhibit number 458, correct?
JA: that is correct
JM: And your testimony involving pop rocks, exhibit number 457 does indicate that you thought it was a Thursday.
JA: yes
JM: You indicated previously that you were having trouble remembering it. Did this exhibit refresh your recollection?
JA: Yes
JM: and so your indicating sitting next to Sister Knight (who's totally trying to read this!) and Lonnie, who was just confirmed today, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that's the Lonnie we are talking about, right?
JA: Yes
JM: He was baptized Thursday night, which is the date that is referenced in your previous testimony, right?
JA: Right
JM: Shame on me, I was “wrapped up” in other activities that pulled me away from attending the baptism. And the reason that's in quotes is because you're trying to get across something else other than being wrapped up, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You're trying to get across that this involved a liason, or sexual liason with Travis Alexander, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You said namely work, but then getting prepped to go to Travis' house for the night, where we explored every naughty fantasy we could conjure up in our fruitful immaginations (sic) that we haven't already fulfilled with one another. I love him, I really do. Right?
JA: Yes
JM and the fantasy that you guys, that you're talking about, involved the Tootsie Pops and Pop Rocks, correct?
JA: part of it did, yes
JM: Part of it, well, ma'am this transcript that we talked about only talks about tootsie pops and pop rocks, doesn't it?
JA: No, it mentions bubble bath
JM: It mentions what?
JA: The bubbles
JM: And the bubble bath is part of the Tootside Pops and Pop Rocks.
JA: They were seperate the same night
JM: Same night, same, is that how this reads, ma'am, the transcript is that how it reads?
JA: I don't know if it reads that way but that's what it says
JM: Well then take a look at 459 which is partial transcript and see if that's how it reads that it's different
JA: different how?
JM: Well, the way you were trying to tell me it was different, that it features a different sequence of events
(6:34)
JA: yes, it references two different sequences
JM: Which two different
JA: events
JM: Are you talking about the issue involving the bathtub?
JA: Yes
JM: Isn't that part of the Tootsie Pops and Pop Rocks, engagement, if you will?
JA: not in the bathtub
JM: it didn't happen on the same day, ma'am?
JA: same day, yes
JM: same encounter?
JA: mmm, yes, I guess.
JM: Well no I'm saying, did he ejaculate twice that night?
JA: Yes
JM: so are you saying that when you were involved in the bathtub that was hours later than the tootside pops and pop rocks. Is that what you're saying?
JA: No
JM: It was part of the same encounter, wasn't it?
JA: Yes, I guess
JM: Well, you keep saying I guess, you were there, though, right?
JA: Yeah, I was there?
JM: And you were enjoying it weren't you?
JA: Yes
JM: And you enjoyed the tootsie pops and the pop rocks, correct?
JA: I enjoyed his attention.
JM: No, I want to know if you enjoyed the Tootsie Pops and the Pop Rocks. I'm not asking about his attention.
KN: Objection
Judge: Overruled
JA: I can't say enjoy would be the right word
JM: Well, what you're saying is when you talk about the Tootsie Pops and the Pop rocks, you're saying you didn't enjoy it, did not enjoy it, correct?
JA: I'm not saying that either
JM: Well there can't be a middle ground, you either enjoyed it or you didn't, right?
JA: That's not correct
JM: Oh so you can go, In your view, you can go through an act but not enjoy it, but also enjoy it. What are you trying to say?
JA: Am I allowed to tell you what I'm trying to say
JM: I want to know whether or not you enjoyed it
JA: I wouldn't characterized it that way
JM: so you're saying you did not enjoy it, just want to clarify
JA : If you're speaking only in the context of the tootsie and the pop rocks
JM: and the pop rocks sure
JA: I wouldn't call it enjoyed.
JM: You would not say you enjoyed it, right?
JA: I would not say enjoy
JM: If you then take a look at exhibit number 458 which references that encounter involving Lonnie, right
JA: um, Lonnie, no, you mean
JM: It didn't involve the batism involving Lonnie?
JA: I don't understand your question
JM: Well then let's just take a look at it, okay? Irrespective of the date, you referenced it as Lonnie's baptism. Just for point of reference. Remember we talked about that, right?
JA: That's right
JM: During this encounter that we've been calling Lonnie's baptism there were some Pop Rocks and Tootsie Pops that were involved, right?
JA: No, Lonnie's baptism did not involve Tootsie Rolls and Pop Rocks
JM: Ma'am we both know what we're talking about, this journal references Lonnie's baptism, doesn't it?
JA: Yes
JM: And you missed Lonnie's baptism, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and the reason you missed Lonnie's baptism is because you were having a Tootsie Pop placed somewhere, right?
JA: Yes, that's one of the reasons.
JM: And this exhibit here, exhibit number 458 does say that you explored every naughty fantasy that we could conjure up in our fruitful imaginations that we haven't already fulfilled with one another, right?
JA: Yes
JM: this doesn't say that you didn't enjoy it, does it?
JA: no
JM: I does say you did enjoy it, doesn't it?
JA: I don't see the word enjoy in there
JM: No, Did I say the word enjoy was in there?
JA: Yes, you said it said I enjoyed it
JM: Did I say enjoy was in there? It says you explored every naughty fantasy we could conjure up in our fruitful imaginations. You're saying that having a fruitful imagination, that's not enjoyment is what you're saying, right?
JA: I'm not saying that.
JM: And you're saying that every naughty fantasy, that's a bad thing, right, that's what you're saying.
JA: I'm not saying that.
JM: well the pop rocks were part of this naughty fantasy, weren't they?
JA: Part of it yes.
JM: and it was part of fulfilling your imaginations, right?
JA: his imagination, yes.
JM: Oh, so it was, even though you wrote it, he didn't write this did he?
JA: I wrote it
JM: That's right and those are your words, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and so even though you say haven't already filled with one another, these fruitful imaginations and all of that stuff, well that doesn't really mean what it says.
JA: I'm not saying that
JM: Well it doesn't distinguish between Pop Rocks and it doesn't distinguish between Tootsie Pops, does it?
JA: No it doesn't.
JM: And yet, you're saying here, they are different, right?
JA: Umm, no that's not what I'm saying
JM: What you're saying goes against what's written there, doesn't it.
JA: No, it does not go against it.
JM: Where? Show me here, point it out where it says I did not enjoy the Tootsie Pop encounter. Does it say that anywhere?
JA: I did not write anything like that in my journal.
JM: It doesn't say anything like that does it?
JA: That's correct
JM: And it does not say anywhere there that you did not enjoy the pop rocks encounter, does it?
JA: that's right
JM: Nothing prevented you from writing that in there, right?
JA: That's right
JM: You could have written anything that you wanted. It's not like you didn't have pens, right?
JA: yeah, that's right
JM: And you had enough space to write it because we know there's an entry after that, right?
JA Yes.
JM: And, It's a situation where you considered this to be a secret kind of thing so that if you wrote whatever you wanted there, you had a reasonable expectation that it would remain private, right?
JA: Reasonable.
JM: Which means you had an expecation that it would remain private, right?
JA: More a hope.
JM: Well, you were living with another individual, I think you said Rachel, correct?
JA: Not at this date
JM: okay where were you living?
JA: I was living at 9634 East ? Avenue in Mesa
JM: Is that an apartment, or were you renting a room?
JA: I was renting a room.
JM: And in that room that you rented you kept this journal, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So noone really had any authority to go into your room, right?
JA: That's not right
JM: Well, are you saying that people in that house went through your journal, is that what you're saying?
JA: I'm not saying that
JM: so you did have an expectation that your journal would remain private then, right?
JA: While it was at home yes.
JM: So, you're saying that someone broke in and looked at your journal? Is that what you're saying?
JA: No, because that would be at home.
JM: Well, you kept your journal at home didn't you?
JA: I took it everywhere with me
JM: So what you're saying if that if you went somewhere that it could have fallen into the wrong hands, is that what you're talking about?
JA: Yes
JM: You never reported to the police that your journal ever went, anybody ever looked at your journal, correct?
JA: I don't think it is a crime so no I didn't
JM: well, ma'am Did I ask you if it was a crime?
JA: No, you didn't
JM: Are you a lawyer? Do you know what I crime is and what isn't?
JA: I think I have a pretty good idea, but I'm not an attorney
JM: And so if someboyd broke into your house and read your journal you say nah, you wouldn't report it because you wouldn't think that was a crime, right?
JA: That's right, not the breaking and entering part just the reading the journal part.
JM: Oh, so now you're drawing a distinction. Isn't this where this journal was kept most of the time, with you in your home?
KN: Objection
JA: No, I misunderstood what you said
Judge: overruled
JA: Um, my understanding was that you were talking about if someone was looking in my journal if I would have reported that and no I would not have reported someone reading my journal to the police.

(14:29)
JM: Part of this encounter involving the Tootsie Pops, also involved braids, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: You have a definite opinion on the braids, don't you?
JA: umm, yes I have an opinion
JM: You think they're hot, don't you?
JA: Um, I guess.
JM: Well, no, you're the person that knows. We don't want you to guess. You think that the braids are hot, don't you?
JA: I think cute is more appropriate
JM: Ma'am, let's take a listen then, I'll have this marked as an exhibit, to part of the conversation that you had with Mr. Alexander back on May 10, 2010. I'll mark it, have you listen to it and you let us know if it's your voice talking about the braids. This is exhibit 460.
KN: Judge has this been admitted?
JM: It has not she's going to lay the foundation for it
KN: Then the jury can't hear it
Tape-recorded: (you know what I really liked when we were in the bath with the candles and I had braids and the bubbles)
Judge: There's an objection
(Tape-recorded Travis: Oh I love the braids. JA: I know, those are hot).
JM turned off the tape.
Sidebar
Same snippet plays again.
JM: That was your voice, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you're talking about braids, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Talking about how much you like them, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you're saying that they're hot, right? And this encounter involving the pop rocks and tootsie pops also involved braids, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So, you enjoyed those braids, right?
JA: I don't... it's not a yes or no answer.
JM: Well we did hear you saying that you enjoyed them, right? Do you want to hear it again?
JA: No
JM: you did hear that, right?
JA: I said I liked them.
JM: When you say that you liked them, isn't it true that that means that's something that's enjoyable
JA: Yes
JM: And you also said they were hot, right?
JA: yes
JM: So during your sexual encounters with Mr. Alexander, if you wore braids, you thought they were hot and you liked them, right?
JA: I liked his attention
KN: Objection to that last question he asked both hot and liked them.
Judge: Restate the question
JM: When you were with Mr. Alexander, isn't it true you wore braids, you liked them, liked them?
JA: Yes
JM: And with regard to the braids isn't it true that when you were with Mr. Alexander, you thought the braids were hot?
JA: Okay
JM: Oh no, I'm not asking for an okay, I'm asking for you to tell me the truth. What is it that you believe?
JA: I believe that he thought it was hot, so it was hot.
JM: So what you're saying here is with regard to exhibit number 460 and that telephone call that was played during your direct examination. You're saying you lied?
JA: No.
JM: Well, let's do you want to listen here where you say that they're hot?
JA: I just heard it.
JM: Right, it doesn't say anything about you doing this for Mr. Alexander anywhere does it?
JA: No, that's implied.
JM: It's implied, let's listen to it and see where it's implied.
Replay tape-recording (you know what I really liked when we were in the bath with candles and I had the braids? TA: mm hmm JA and the bubbles? TA: oh, I love the braids JA: I know they're hot).
JM: That's your voice, right?
JA: Yes and Travis's
JM: Did I ask you about Travis's voice, Ma'am?
JA: I didn't know which voice you were talking about
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Overruled
JM: Did I ask you if that was Travis's voice?
JA: no
JM: we're talking about your voice, that was your voice right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you do say those braids are hot, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you said it because you believed it, right?
JA: Yes

(21:20) More Journal
JM: These two entries that we have here, these journal entries. Exhibit number 456 you start them out by dating them at the upper left-hand corner of that one which is exhibit number 456. And 458ou also dated on the upper left-hand corner, or the left-hand corner you see that?
JA: Yes
JM: And you've already told us that there were no dates in between the Sunday 1/20/08 and the Thursday 1/24/08, correct?
JA Correct.
JM: And you looked at the journal, there are no entries between those to dates, right?
JA: that is correct
JM: And it's fair to say that September 22, 2008 falls in between this gap here, correct?
JA: Correct
JM: and nowhere do you mention either in this January 24th of '08 and January 20th of 08 document you don't mention anything about this physical encounter with Mr. Alexander that you told us happened on January 22nd 2008, do you?
JA: No I would have never
JM: I'm not asking you if you would ever, Do you mention it there?
JA: I said no
JM: and with regard to mentioning there, nothing stopped you from mentioning it, right?
JA: yes something did stop me
JM: So you're saying that someone held your hand and stopped you from writing that?
JA: I'm not saying that
JM: are you saying that someone came into your house and stole your journals and said you know and took whatever was the journal there took the journal, so you couldn't write in it.
JA: I'm not saying that
JM: You had the ability to write in it, right
JA: yes
JM: You had the free will to write in it, didn't you?
JA: Yes
JM: and there is nothing there, correct?
JA: Referencing that incident?
JM: Pardon
JA: do you mean referencing that incident?
JM: I can't hear what you're saying?
JA: do you mean referencing that incident, there's nothing there regarding that?
JM: Right, there's nothing referencing that incident between those two dates, is there?
JA: There is not
JM: The reason that it's not there is because it didn't happen, right?
JA: that's not right.
JM: You could have written it, you do say in exhibit number 456, I haven't written because there has been nothing noteworthy to report, right?
JA: that's right
JM: so to you getting this injury to the left ring-finger, that's no big deal, right?
JA: that's not what it says
JM: Pardon
JA: That's not what it says
JM: I'm not asking you what is says, I'm asking you what you think. It's no big deal to you then, right?
JA: That's not right
JM: well you came in and told us about it, right. But it's not written in your journal, right?
JA: No
JM: you didn't call the police, right?
JA: No
JM: you didn't get any medical care for it
JA: not professional medical care
JM: did you go to a doctor to get it looked at?
JA: No
JM: Did you go to a hospital to get it looked at?
JA: No
JM: Did you go to a friends house, or an acquaintance to tell them about it?
JA: Definitely not
JM: And during this conversation you had with Det. Flores back on July 16 of 2008 you didn't tell him anything about it, did you?
JA: No, definitely not.
JM: In fact you gave him a different story, didn't you
JA: Yes
JM: You told him something about those two people and how you got that injury to that finger, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So you're saying that what you told the detective there was a lie?
JA: Yes
JM: So in your view do you, when do you decide to tell the truth? When you're in this court and no place else is that what I'm hearing from you?
JA: No
JM: Just because you're in this court doesn't mean you have to tell the truth, I mean that's what your telling us, right?
JA: That's not what I'm telling anyone
KN: Objection
Judge: Sustained
JM: Ma'am nothing has stoped you from telling this story ever, correct?
JA: That's not correct
JM: You have freewill don't you?
JA: Yes I do
JM: Nothing the detective did stopped you from telling it, right?
JA: Flores, no
JM: Nothing stopped you, you had a car back then, didn't you?
JA: when?
JM: when this supposedly happened Jan 22nd of '08.
JA: Yes
JM: You could have driven yourself to a hospital, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You could have, do you remember telling us about an incident in August 2007 where you caught Mr. Alexander kissing another girl, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you told us that with regard to that incident I called my father, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you told him some things about what you have seen the day before, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Nothing would have stopped you from calling your father to tell him that, right?
JA: Well, sorry I'm kind of hyper literal sometimes. Nothing did that day.
JM: Yes or no would anything have stopped you from calling your father?
KN: Objection, asked and answered
Judge: Overruled
JA: Umm, maybe, but
JM: well ma'am you didn't have any problem calling in August of 2007 and complaining, did you?
JA: I did have a problem, he had to convince me to tell him.
JM: well you called him and told him, right?
JA: eventually, yes I did
JM: You called him and you told him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: you could have called him and said, hey I've got this problem with my finger, you had a telephone then, right?
JA: I didn't have a problem with my finger then.
JM: Well, I thought that you told us and testified that on January 22nd 2008 was when you had this finger injured by Mr. Alexander. Do you remember telling us that?
JA: Yes, January yes
JM: And so January 22nd of 2008 or anytime after, you had a telephone, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You could have called your father and you could have told him, right?
JA: Could have
JM: But you didn't
JA: I wouldn't have, no I did not.
JM: And noone knew about this injury or this supposed or claimed injury to the little finger until after you killed Mr. Alexander, right?
JA: That's right


(27:47)
JM: Ma'am, that was a significant day, January 22nd of 2008, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: It was significant for a number of reasons, including the fact that you claim that on January 21 of 2008 you caught Mr. Alexander masturbating to some images of boys, correct?
JA: I only saw one image, it was a blur.
JM: Ma'am didn't you say there were images, there were more than one?
JA: There were more than one image, I only caught a clear view of one image
JM: Was there more than one image ma'am?
JA: Yes
JM: but you only saw one, right?
JA: One clear,
JM: According to you
JA: mm hmm
JM: is that a yes
JA: Yes
JM: And that was the day before this supposed thing happened on where he had this violent issue with you on January 22, 2008, correct?
JA: that's right
JM: And if we go again to that entry in here of 456 “I haven't written because there has been nothing noteworthy to report” That's what you wrote, correct?
JA: Corret
JM: the way you explain it to us here, this issue involving, this claim involving Mr. Alexander, that's pretty noteworthy isn't it?
JA: Not for my journal, but, yes, in reality I guess it's pretty noteworthy..
JM: It's noteworthy isn't it?
JA: it is today
JM: It's noteworthy to you, isn't it?
JA: I already answered your question
JM: And is the answer yes or no
JA: Yes
JM: And it's so noteworthy to you that you waited until after you killed Mr. Alexander to tell anybody about it, didn't you?
JA: I waited years
JM: The answer is did you wait until after this prosecution had been started, until after you had been charged to tell anybody about it correct?
KN: Objection, asked and answered
Judge: overruled
JA: Yes, I wated years
JM: And ma'am one of the things you made it sound like he had a problem, right?
JA: He did have a problem
JM: That's what you claim, right?
JA: That's the reality
JM: That's what you claim, correct
JA: Okay, yes
JM: When back then, there was this problem, did you call, the way you made it sound it was such a big problem, did you call, for example, child protective services?
JA: No
JM: I mean you made it sound that there was such a big problem that if he spent the night somewhere, at a friend's house, and they had a child and that concerned you. Do you remember telling us that on direct examination?
JA: Yes
JM: and yet you didn't go to that person and say hey he's got this issue, did you?
JA: No
JM: You didn't go to the police department and tell them anything, right?
JA: No
JM: you chose to keep that allegation until about 2 years ago, is that right?
JA: I think it's almost 3 years ago at this point, no, I think it's almost 3 ½ to 4 years ago.
JM: pick a year, what year did you
JA: 2009 is when I first
JM: And
JA: told somebody
JM: and you were arrested back in July of 2008, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and when this detective interviewed you, you didn't tell him anything about it, did you?
JA: Definitely not
JM: And you could have, though, right?
JA: in theory, yes I could have
JM: Ma'am one of the things that happened with regard to this particular issue is that there was a hearing that was scheduled involving this well, what time did this allegation happen. When do you claim, we know the date, when do you claim that you saw this masturbatory activity?
JA: It would have been in the afternoon after my morning shift.
JM: And what time would that have been ma'am?
JA: I don't know the exact time but it was afternoon well before it was dark, it was still light out.
JM: Okay, could you be more specific. Was it noon?
JA: It was after. noon.
JM: Alright, was it 2:00?
KN: Objection, asked and answered, Judge
Judge: Restate the question.
JM: If it was so noteworthy why can't you remember the time?
JA: It was kind of traumatic
JM: So, what, just because it's, weren't your senses heightened, heightened, at that time that you saw this? Didn't you get angry or upset?
KN: Objection..question
Judge: Sustained
JM: were you angry?
JA: I was sick to my stomach, I was not angry
JM: Ma'am, were you angry? Were you angry?
JA: I became angry later, but not in that moment
JM: Were you angry at that time, ma'am?
JA: I said not in that moment
JM: So the answer is no, right
JA: Yes
JM: were you upset at that time?
JA: yes
JM: so if you're upset, aren't you kind of, your senses heightened at that time, to know the time?
KN: Objection, she's answered the question.
Judge: Overruled
JA: Can you repeat that?
JM: Weren't your senses heightened because of the anger to at least know the time so that somebody could check it out?
JA: Well, you said because of anger, but I wasn't angry at that moment
JM: Well, then you see this, you're not angry and you're not upset.
JA: I am upset
JM: If you are upset, don't you think your senses were heightened to what you just saw?
JA: My mind doesn't work like that.
JM: So the answer is no, then, right?
KN: Objection..
Judge: Overruled
JA: It kind of moved in slow motion so if that's heightened
JM: Yes or no, ma'am?
JA: It's kind of a matter of opinion. I don't know
JM: And I'm asking for your opinion.
KN: It's been asked and answered, she can't speculate
Judge: Overruled
JA: whether it's heightened, my perception of things, is that your question?
JM: Right, at that time when your viewing this, the way you describe it, this bad act?
JA: Well, it's , I'm not sure, it's something that I'm never gonna forget,
JM: You're never gonna forget, right
JA: That's right
JM: but you have forgotten the time
JA: I know it was the afternoon
JM: Ma'am, I'm asking you for the time.
KN: Objection she said she doesn't know the time.
Judge: Restate your question, sustained.
JM: you said that you'll never forget it, right?
JA: the incident
JM: and I'm asking you, isn't it true that you forgot the time
KN: Objection again, she said she never knew the time.
Judge: rephrase
JM: you said that you had just been let or out from Mimi's cafe, right
JA: for a little while, I was off work for a little while
JM: you worked at Mimi's cafe, right?
JA: yes
JM: you had been working there, right
JA: yes
JM: your shift was over
JA: yes
JM: what time did your shift start?
JA: it varied
JM: that day, what time did your shift start?
JA: in the morning
JM: what time?
JA: Sometime in the morning, I don't know the exact time.
JM: You don't know the exact time, yet you knew that you had to be there on that day?
JA: Yes
JM: At a certain time? What time does Mimi's open?
JA: I've never opened Mimi's so I'm not sure, but they open early.
JM: So you don't know the time that it opens, you don't know the time that you went to work, right?
JA: not the exact time
JM: just the morning it what you can give us?
JA: Yes, the early morning
JM: So if you went at 10:00, 10-12 would only be two hours, right/
JA: that's right
JM: Was it an 8 hour shift
JA: No, they're not 8 hours
JM: So on that day it was not an 8 hour shift, right?
JA: That' right
JM: How many hours was your shift?
JA: It depended on the flow of business.
JM: I understand that it may depend on that, how many hours did you work on January 22, 2008 on this day that this horrible thing that you claim happened?
JA: I would only be able to tell you a range.
JM: How many hours then, give me a range since you what you're telling me is you don't know.
JA: I know the range, but not the exact hours.
JM: So what you're telling me is you don't know the exact hours?
JA: Yes
JM: and anything else that you'd give me would be a guess, right?
JA: Yes

(36:51)
JM: and ma'am, I mean you have a lot of memory for a lot of events involving sexual instances regarding Mr. Alexander, yet you seem to be having a lot of problems with your memory here today. And you also alluded that you have problems with your memory. Is this a long-standing thing that you've had problems with your memory of is this something that happened recently?
KN: Objection
Judge: Sustained
JM: Your problems with your memory, is it a recent vintage?
JA: Define recent.
JM: I don't know, since you started testifying.
JA: no it goes back further than that
JM: How far back does it go?
JA: I don't even know if I'd call it a problem
JM: well just tell be how far back it goes, you said you were gonna tell me, so please.
JA: how far back what goes
JM: we're talking about your memory problem, right?
JA: I don't know that I'd call it a problem.
JM: Okay
JA: I don't remember every single thing that's ever happened to me in my whole life
JM: Ma'am, your memory issues, we're talking about those, right
JA: I wouldn't even call them issues, but okay, my memory?
JM: you don't want to call them problems, right?
JA: No, I don't want to
JM: You don't want to call them issues, right?
JA: I don't know, I reall don't
JM: You don't want to call them issues, you just told me that, right?
JA: I didn't say I don't want to
JM: Alright so can we call them issues then?
JA: OK
JM: with regard to these memory issues that you claim to have when did you start having them?
(38:45)
JA: It depends on the type of the memory issue
JM: It depends on the type of the memory issue? If it benefits you, do you have a memory issue?
KN: Objection, argumentative, your Honor
JM: Or if it hurts you to you have a memory issue?
KN: the same objection, your Honor
Judge: Sustained
JM: Well
JA: When it hurts sometimes
JM: Ma'am, there's no question right now. You say you have memory problems but it depends on the circumstance, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And give me the factors, I don't want to know about a specific circumstance, what factors influence you having a memory problem.
JA: Umm, usually when men like you are screaming at me and grilling me, or someone like Travis doing the same.
JM: So that affects your memory problems, right?
JA: It does, it makes my brain scramble.
JM: So, you're saying that it's, basically what your saying is it's Mr. Marinez's fault that you can't remember things that are going on?
JA: It's not your fault
JM: I'm not saying that, you're saying that, isn't it?
JA: No, I'm not saying that.
JM: Is it something about a certain decibel of the voice that creates problems?
JA: Decibel, tone, content, sort of a combination of those factors.
KN: Objection your honor, this is a stunt. May I approach.
Judge: You may.
Sidebar

(41:02)
Martinez using softer voice
JM: What time did you get off of work from Mimi's?
JA: In the afternoon
JM: Hold on, let me ask the question. What time did you getoff from Mimi's on January 21 of 2008?
KN: Objection asked and answered....
Judge: Overruled
JA: A time in the afternoon.
JM: Can you be more specific about the time?
JA: No
JM: why not?
JA: Because I don't think I was looking at my watch or phone or any other clock.
JM: Where did you go after you left Mimi's?
JA: Um, I went to Travis's house.
JM: you went directly to Mr. Alexander's house?
JA: That's right.
JM: And what time did you getover to his house?
JA: I'm sorry?
JM: You couldn't hear me?
JA: I couldn’t hear you
JM: What time did you get over to his house?
KN: Objection, asked and answered....
Judge: overruled
JA: about 20 minutes after I left Mimi's
JM: And, when you got there, ma'am did you walk in?
JA: yes
JM: the front door
JA: yes
JM: was it open
JA: yes
JM: was it unlocked
JA: yes
JM: And, you said you walked in and you went straight up the stairwell, right
JA: Umm, yes
JM: And you didn't say a word going up the stairwell, did you?
JA: I'm sorry
JM: You didn't say a word going up the stairway, did you?
JA: Umm, I don't remember.
JM: You didn't call out his name, right?
JA: I might have, yes.
JM: And ma'am in January 21 of 2008 you and he were broken up weren't you?
JA: Yes
JM: So it wasn't like you were boyfriend and girlfriend and you went over every day, right?
JA: we were not boyfriend/girlfriend, but I went over almost every day.
JM: Pardon
JA: We were not boyfriend/girlfriend, but I did go over almost every day
JM: You're mumbling, I didn't hear you.
JA: We were not boyfriend/girlfriend, but I did go to his house almost every day.
JM: And on this particular day, what were you there to do?
JA: He needed help putting boxes up in his attic
JM: And, had you talked to him about this previously?
JA: Yes
JM: Qas it via text message, was it via some other manner
JA: I don't remember, it was discussed
JM: Was it by telephone?
JA: Probably
JM: Well ma’am how could it be discussed via telephone if you were working at Mimi’s?
JA: it was discussed previous to my shift.
JM: So, what time did you discuss it then?
JA: It was, it had to do with, well it wasn't that day. It was weeks ahead of time. It was about the Christmas things that were in his attic.
JM: So now it wasn't that day that you discussed it, right?
JA: Um, once I got there we were discussing it.
JM: I want to know if that day that you claim this happened there was a telephone call in the morning.
JA: I don't remember that part
JM: And if, back then, what was your number? We’ve already heard it, but?
JA: 831-402-1901
JM: And that would have been the number that you called him on, you used to call him. That would have been the telephone you used to call him, right?
JA: Usually, yes
JM: That was your telephone, right?
JA: yes, that was my cell phone.
JM: You say, well, normally I would use that to call him. Pray tell, what other circumstances would there be that you wouldn’t use your cellphone to call him?
JA: Land lines
JM: Pardon
JA: Land lines
JM: You had a land line also in your home, right?
JA: There were land-lines in the homes where I lived.
JM: Pardon
JA: There were landlines in the homes where I lived.
JM: I’m not asking about the homes where you lived, I’m asking about the homes, your home on January 21 on 2008.
JA: There was not a land-line in that home
JM: There was not, was there?
JA: No there was not.
JM: So you would have had to use your cellphone to call him, right?
JA: I probably would have used my cellphone if I called him that day, yes.
JM: And now you are saying that you aren't sure if you called him that morning, right?
JA: Um, I don't think I did cause he didn’t get up early.
JM: Ma’am so you’re saying you didn’t call him that morning, right?
JA: I don't recall if I did or not.
JM: I thought you said that there was an agreement or arrangement for you to go over there that day.
JA: There was.
JM: Okay, what was the arrangement?
JA: The arrangement was, after Christmas, when he had packed up all of his things to put them in the attic.
JM: No, no, I’m not asking about that. I’m asking about the arrangement about the time when you were going over. I don't really care about what the activity was. What was the arrangement about when you were gonna come over and how that was going to work?
JA: Just whenever it would make sense
JM: so whenever it made sense, you were going to go over that day.
JA: Yes, that day was a good day for use
JM: And you don’t know if you talked to him in the morning about if it was that day that you were going to be over?
JA: I don’t remember
JM: And if you didn’t talk to him, your coming over would have been a surprise then, after working at Mimi’s, right?
JA: No, he was expecting me the first time
JM: How was he able to expect you the first time if you didn’t call him in the morning to let him know you were going to be over that day?
JA: Because it was already discussed.
JM: When was it discussed, tell me.
JA: It was discussed multiple times in the weeks following Christmas.
JM: I understand that it was discussed multiple times in the weeks following Christmas, but in the multiple times following Christmas, did you pick a date? January 21, let’s just pick December 26th. You said to him, on January 21 of 2008, I’m going to come over and help with the Christmas decorations? Is that how it worked?
JA: no
JM: No, it didn’t did it. If you had an arrangement there would have been an agreement, wouldn’t there have been?
JA: We weren’t that formal
JM: But you just told me that you talked about it, right?
JA: It was discussed multiple times, yes.
JM: Right, and so all those multiple times you discussed it, you agreed that it was going to be January 21, 2008 after you got off work from Mimi’s, is that the agreement, or is that the discussion?
JA: I don’t think it was that specific at all
JM: So what was the discussion?
JA: Just whenever we got together to do it.
JM: Then he wasn’t expecting you like you said he was when you came over that day.
JA: He was hoping I would come over to help him with those things.
JM: Ma’am you keep saying he was hoping, how do you know he was hoping, if he didn’t even know you were coming over?
JA: Based on our discussions.
JM: So in your discussions you told him I want you to hope that I come over on the 21st?
JA: I didn’t tell him that
JM: Of course you didn’t, the point is, you didn’t, you can't tell us anything about the circumstances of that day, can you
JA: That’s not true
JM: Well, you can’t tell us about the time, right?
JA: Not a precise hour or minute
JM: You can’t tell us when you worked at Mimi’s, your hours, right?
JA: Not the precise hours
JM: you can't tell us the time you got over to his house, right?
JA: not the precise minute
JM: You can't tell us if there was even a telephone call that morning, right?
JA: I don't remember if there were calls that morning.
JM: You can't tell us anything, but you can tell us that you walked in and then there was this issue and you went in to help him with the Christmas decorations, right?
JA: yes
JM: And after you helped him with the Christmas decorations, you left, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You drove away, right
JA: Yes
JM: You came back, right
JA: Yes
JM: And according to you, that’s when you saw Mr. Alexander engaged in this masturbatory activity, right?
JA: yes
JM: And according to you, there were multiple photographs, but you saw one of them in particular. Correct?
JA: Yes
JM: and you then left, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you left in your car, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you went home and started driving around, right?
JA: I went home, threw up, cried and drove around.
JM: Sure, you did all these kinds of things that afternoon, right.
JA: Yes
JM: In your car, right?
JA: I didn’t throw up in my car.
JM: What’s that?
JA: I didn’t throw up in my car.
JM: You drove off in your car, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Well, isn't that problematic since you were driving Mr. Alexander's car?
JA: I wasn’t driving his car yet, we were supposed to swap cars.
JM: Well, he didn’t have a car that day, right?
JA: We were switching cars afterward.
JM: Ma’am did he have a, my question is
JA: He had a car
JM: Isn't it true, he did not have a car that day?
JA: No, he had a car
JM: Well, let's take a look at some of the text messages
JA: Okay.
JM: I’m gonna give you two sets, one with his responses and one without, okay.
JA: Okay

(51:13)
JM: Take a look at exhibit 461. Those are text messages between your telephone number and Mr. Alexander’s, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And the incoming means that that’s your message coming in to him, correct?
JA: wait, say that again. I’m sorry, I was reading.
JM: Do you remember previously testifying that when “incoming” was on these text messages that was you calling, or that was you leading the message?
JA: That was me sending the message
JM: Right, and the outgoing is him sending it out, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You also talked a little bit about the timing on them, right. The times that are designated?
JA: Yes
JM: You indicated that it was 7 hours off, right?
JA: Yes
JM: That copy that I have given you has taken the time to right down the actual time minus seven hours, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Go ahead and review them to make sure the times that are on there are correct
(52:41)
JA: Yes, those are correct, I believe.
JM: Well we don’t want you to believe. Take your time, subtract seven from there and make sure they are correct. Cause it’s important here and we don’t want you to believe.
JA: I'm pretty sure they're correct
JM: When you say pretty sure, it means you're not sure.
JA: No I said I’m pretty sure.
JM: And it does not include his response there, his outgoing messages, does it?
JA: Yeah, it looks like it’s blocked out
JM: take a look at exhibit 462. Same thing, right except that this one includes his responses on there, right?
JA: Yes
JM: the times are also written in there, correct.
JA: Yes
JM: And to the best of your knowledge those are the accurate times that are written in there those are the accurate times that that message was either outgoing or incoming, right?
JA: Umm that is right, they look like they match
JM: Ok, if I can have those back

(56:00)
KN: No objection to exhibit 461 your honor
Judge: 461 is admitted
JM: Take a look at exhibit 461 and let’s talk about the times first. Although it says 1/22/08 at 00:38:50 someone has written in 5:38 pm because of the 7 hour time difference that you talked about previously in direct examination, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And when we talked about, it’s got your name on there, right?
JA: That’s right
JM: It’s got your telephone number on there, right?
JA: Right
JM: And then it has the time of January 21st at 5:38 pm, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And then it says “I can't remember am I coming in for you on Wednesday at 10:30”. Isn’t that what it says?
JA: Yes
JM: Then, you see the next one at 6:41 pm, right? You claim you had already left Mimi's cafe in the early afternoon, right?
JA: Um, yes. I didn’t say early, I said sometime in the afternoon.
JM: But you can’t tell us the time, right
JA: That’s right
JM: But, at 6:41 pm you are talking about trading cars before FHE, right?
JA: Yes
JM: FHE stands for Family Home Evening, right?
JA: That’s right
JM: And family home evening starts at 7:00 in the evening, doesn’t it?
JA: I don’t remember
JM: Well, you were a practicing Mormon, right?
JA: Yes, sort of
JM: And you attended family home evenings, you were telling us about that, right?
JA: Yes, I did
JM: And you attended them more than once, right?
JA: Yes, I did
JM: And of all those times that you attended, didn't they start at 7:00?
JA: I don’t remember. They were in the evening, but I don’t remember the time.
JM: Would they have started at 10:00 at night?
JA: No, they were not too late
JM: How long, isn't it true that they lasted about an hour, Family Home Evenings?
JA: Yes, roughly and hour
JM: And then the people that were there, the singles that were there would get together and get involved in some sort of social activity, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Bowling, that sort of thing, right?
JA: my ward never went bowling
JM: Movies, something like that
JA: My ward never went to movies
JM: Going out to dinner
JA: It was usually at the church
JM: Well it could also be at people’s houses, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And then at 7:19 pm you are sending him a text “Nevermind. One of the stores I need to go to closes at 8 pm. I’ll just go tomorrow, right?
JA: That’s right
JM: That’s evening now, right
JA: Yes
JM: You said that this incident involving the masturbatory conduct occurred in the afternoon, right?
JA: It did
JM: so it would have happened before 7:19 pm, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You were already gone, you were wherever, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you told us that no he kept calling you and kept calling you and then you said you called him back, right?
JA: Yes I did
JM: And then you went out and got him something from, I think, it was Starbucks or something and you brought him something over, remember saying that?
JA: Not that day
JM: Well, then you went over to his house, right?
JA: I did
JM: You went over and you had sex with him, right?
JA: Yes
JM: What time did you go over to his house?
JA: It was in the evening
JM: What time
JA: Don’t know the time
JM: Well, if he’s going to family home evening, he’s not going to be around, assume it starts at seven. He’s not going to be around
KN: Objection
Judge: Restate the question
JM: If, hypothetically speaking, if Family Home Evening starts at 7:00, he's not going to be home at 7 pm is he?
KN: Objection
Judge: overruled
JA: If he went, then he wouldn’t be.
JM: I’m not asking if he went. It starts at 7:00 in the evening, he would not have been home, right?
KN: Objection
Judge: Overruled
JA: It wouldn’t necessarily mean that, it doesn’t mean that he went, but that night he
JM: Ma’am, I’m saying hypothetically. That means assume
JA: Ok, yes
JM: that he went to family home evening and if it started at 7, he wouldn’t have been at his house, right?
JA: that’s right
JM: And if he has become involved in this masturbatory conduct, why are you worried about trading cars with him.
JA: I think he wanted to trade the car
JM: Ma’am this isn’t him writing that out there, is it?
JA: I wanted to do it before FHE, he wanted to trade the car.
JM: Well, why don’t we take a look at this which is 462. This is the one that contained his responses, right?
JA: Yes
JM: take a look at it and see who was worried about trading cars.

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JM: It indicates the back and forth involving the car, doesn’t it
JA: Yes it does
JM: I move for the admission of exhibit number 462.

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Judge: 462 is admitted
JM: Ma’am you know who Alyce LaViolette is?
JA: Yes
JM: She’s someone that is assisting you in this case, isn’t it?
JA: Yes
JM: Isn’t it true that you told her that the masturbatory conduct, the masturbatory conduct involving Mr. Alexander took place while he was on the computer?
JA: No, I never said that
JM: Isn’t it true that you heard a statement from her indicating that you told her that the masturbatory conduct took place while he was on the computer?
JA: No, I’ve never heard her say that.
JM: Ma’am were you here at a hearing
KN: Objection your honor, may I approach?
Judge: You may

(1:05:45)
JM: Ma’am isn’t it true that you hear Ms. LaViolette indicate that you told her that you saw Mr. Alexander masturbating to images on a computer?
JA: No, I heard you say that in the hearing.
JM: Well, ma’am do you remember that I played a snippet with her voice on it?
JA: Yes, but I couldn’t understand it
JM: Did you hear that snippet, yes or not?
JA: I heard it, but I didn’t understand it
JM: I’m not asking you if you understood it, isn’t it true that you were here when that snippet was played?
JA: Yes
JM: That snippet involved whether or not she had ever told the prosecution that you told her that you saw Mr. Alexander masturbating to images on a computer.
JA: That’s right


JM: Let go ahead and continue with the text messages. This is now exhibit 462 and it includes the outgoing which is Mr. Alexander’s text messages, right?
JA: That’s right
JM: And we were talking about exchanging cars of going to FHE, family home evening, right?
JA: yes
JM: And ma’am you did indicate something about whether or not you called them, or did you say you did or did not call him that morning?
JA: I said I don’t remember
JM: So it could be true that you did not call him that morning?
KN: Objection
Judge: Sustained
JM: So it is true that you do not know if you called him that morning, well let me do this. It could be that you did not call him that morning?
JA: It could be because I don’t remember.
JM: And again is this issue with your lack of memory because of these questions, the way they’re being posed?
JA: No
JM: Does it have to do with the volume of the person asking the questions?
JA: No, I think it’s the length of time
JM: Is it, is it yes or no, the volume?
JA: That would be no.

JM: So at 7:20 you send her or send her or send him a text message, Nevermind one of the stores I need to go closes and eight, I’ll just go tomorrow, so that was one minute later, it’s the same message that you sent before, correct?
JA: That’s correct
JM: And then Mr. Alexander sends you a text message at 7:24 pm right?
JA: Right
JM: And he says “I got a ride from some peeps in the ward now you can just go get it. Let me know when you make the exchange.” Isn’t he telling you that he went to the Family Home Evening there?
JA: Yes
JM: So he did go to the FHE, right?
JA: I’m assuming
JM: Well, there’s nothing else indicated here, other than family home evening, right?
JA: That's right
JM: And FHE from your experience when you were going, how long would does it last?
JA: Usually about an hour, depending on the event. Sometimes there’s special events going on there.
JM: And then there are other events that may come along afterwards, right?
JA: I don’t know, I usually went home after FHE
JM: To your knowledge did they end after the hour or were there chances that, even though you may not have attended, they would have gone on longer than that.
KN: Objection, calls for speculation
Judge: Overruled
JA: I guess there was a change
JM: I’m asking from your knowledge when you were going.
JA: typically we all dispersed. It was a Monday night, we didn’t hang out later
JM: Okay. Then at 7:25 you sent him a text message that appears to be in response to that one, cause it’s one minutes later, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and you say I'm almost asleep, we'll see, right?
JA: Right
JM: You’re talking about exchanging the car, right?
JA: Yes
JM: The big concern here is exchanging the car, right?
JA: Yes
JM: It doesn’t have anything to do with what you claim you saw, right?
JA: Umm, we’re talking about the car in this text messages.
JM: And the point is, is that you’re talking about very pedestrian issues, such as exchanging a car, you’re not talking about Travis, I saw you masturbating and things like that, right?
JA: It wasn’t a pedestrian issue with Travis.
JM: Pardon
JA: The car was not a pedestrian issue with Travis
JM: So you’re equating this issue with the car, the same as him masturbating to images of kids, is that what you’re saying?
JA: No, Not by a long shot, no that’s not what I’m saying.
JM: Then he’s talking about you obviously don't need it that bad. I got a ride so you could go get the car, now you’re going to sleep, right?
JA: yes
JM: He’s made or tried to make arrangements for you to pick up your car, right?
JA: I don’t know which car I was driving.
JM: Well, he didn’t have a car because he got a ride with somebody else, right?
JA: That’s not why he got a ride
JM: Well when he's riding with somebody else, his car’s not with him, right?
JA: That’s right
JM: And so he's without a car at FHE or wherever it is that he went.
JA: yes
JM: You have a car
JA: Yes
JM: his car, right?
KN: Objection
Judge: Overruled
JA: I don't remember which car I was driving
JM: Well, it wouldn’t have been his car, because you wouldn’t have needed to exchange his car for his car, right?
JA: It would have been mine or his
JM: So, you’re driving his car, right?
KN: Objection, asked and answered
Judge: Overruled
JA: I’ve already said that I don’t remember which car I’m driving
JM: You indicated previously that after this happened, you went home and he kept trying to call you over and over, right?
JA: Um, I had voicemails from him, or missed calls
JM: That means he kept trying to call you over and over again, right?
JA: Right
JM: Whether he left voicemails or whatever, he kept trying to call you, right?
JA: I believe, yeah, he did.
JM: And you didn’t respond to those calls, right?
JA: Not immediately, I was at the visitation center, the Visitor’s Center
JM: Excuse me
JA: so I had my phone volume off.
JM: You were what?
JA: I was at the Visitor’s Center
JM: What visitor’s center are you talking about?
JA: The one by the Mesa temple
JM: And is that where you went after this incident happened
JA: That’s where I ended up after driving
JM: Is this where you’re almost asleep?
JA: No this is after the fact
JM: So now you’re back at home, right and in between then and, well in between what you say you saw and when you’re home, that’s when you have all these calls, right?
JA: From the time I ran out of his house he called
JM: From the time you ran out of his house til what time of night are these calls coming in?
JA: til I called him back
JM: When, what time
JA: As soon as I left the Visitor’s center, I called him.
JM: Right, so you’re sure that there’s a bunch of calls that he made to you and then they sort of piled up, whether they’re voice messages or missed calls and then you returned his call, right?
JA: That’s how I remember it, yes
JM: Actually, that’s not the way it really went on that day. Isn’t it true ma’am that there were actually 5 calls between you and him. Where he called you five times and you called him back five times. Did you know that?
JA: There were many more than five, there may be five from his cell phone
JM: I’m asking cellphone to cellphone and you’re saying that at that time you only had your cellphone. And he left you five, or he left you calls, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Actually there were only five calls from him all day long to you on the 21st, isn’t that true?
JA: That’s not true
JM: Isn’t it true there was only 5 return calls from you on that day
JA: That might be true
JM: And in fact when you say that he’s calling you all these times, actually didn’t it go this way that you called him at 3:53 in the evening or the afternoon, didn’t you?
JA: That sounds accurate.
JM: And then you called him again at 4:09 in the evening, didn’t you?
JA: That sounds accurate
JM: And he returned your call at 4:29, right.
JA: I believe he did
JM: And then you called him back at 4:53, right?
JA: That sounds accurate
JM: Well, I thought you said that there was this issue that you were not returning his calls. It looks like you’re returning his calls and he’s calling you back.
JA: well that’s probably his cell phone
JM: Well, what difference does it make if it’s his cellphone or not? Isn’t that a telephone call?
JA: Yeah, but he has a land line he called me on frequently.
JM: Right, but I’m talking about that day, the calls that were made. What was his landline number, ma’am?
JA: I don’t have it memorized, cause it was just in my phone as Travis Alexander
JM: so, he called, you called him at 4:53 and then he returned you call to him at 4:54 pm, remember that?
JA: I don’t recall that specific, but
JM: Isn’t it true he then called you back at 5:11 pm, remember that?
JA: Not specifically
JM: How about him calling you back at 5:20 pm
JA: I don’t remember specifically.
JM: And how about him calling you back at 5:48, pm
JA: I just know he called me a lot that day
JM: And then you returned his call at 5:53 pm, do you remember any of that?
JA: The time sounds accurate
JM: Well then if we go then to 462 which is the text messages, we have these calls and then it picks up with text messages, you see that?
JA: Yes
JM: The communication does, right?
JA: Yes
JM: So there was never a time when, as you said previously, when you and he are not communicating. You’re either communicating by telephone or text message, aren’t you?
JA: No, there’s a gap.
JM: You said that it was right that you called him at 5:53 pm, right? You just said that that was right.
JA: It sounds about right, I don’t remember the times.
JM: Right, and then the first message after this call you said sounds right at 5:53 pm is at 6:41, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Less than an hour later, right?
JA: the text, yes
JM: And then at 7:19, right?
JA: yes
JM: And if we say, hypothetically speaking that family home evening starts at seven, he’s already at family home evening by the time that he sends you this text at 7:24, right?
JA: That’s right.

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JM: You then say at 7:29 pm “I fell asleep and a phone call woke me up”, right?
JA: What date is that?
JM: the 21st ma’am
JA: That’s right, okay
JM: I fell asleep and a phone call woke me up. I thought you said you at the LDS center at Dobson and Southern
JA: Not by this time
JM: Well, I thought you were asleep
JA: I went home and crashed, I’d been crying and I had a migraine.
JM: So when did you go to sleep, give us a time.
JA: I don’t have a time that I fell asleep. I went to sleep after I went, came, left the Visitor’s center
JM: Well, when do you have time to sleep if you’re calling him back and he’s calling you and then right after that you begin texting back and forth? When is it that you find the time to sleep?
JA: Well, I didn’t sleep for a long time, I just dozed off.
JM: Well, you do say at 7:25pm that you’re almost asleep, we’ll see about this car transfer thing, right?
JA: Right
JM: You do put the zzs on here indicating that you’re going to sleep, right
JA: I was very tire, yes
JM: So you went to sleep, you say you went to sleep.
JA: I was laying there very tired. I think I fell asleep
JM: Well then you say four minutes later “I fell asleep and a phone call woke me up. That’s when I sent you a text.” That’s what you say, right?
JA: Um, yeah
JM: Well, when is it that you’re sleeping? What’s waking you up between those four minutes? What’s going on?
JA: Um, I don’t think I’m sleeping right there. I don’t know. I fell asleep, he wanted me to get the car.
JM: But he’s at Family home evening, already and he doesn’t care because he’s already at family home evening isn’t he?
JA: He was a little upset because he got a ride because he thought I was gonna go get it.
JM: But it didn’t happen, did it?
JA: No
JM: And the big point going on here is not talking about anything that may have happened, you’re not saying you’re upset about anything; you’re just talking about this car being exchanged, right?
JA: we’re talking specifically about the car being exchanged in the text
JM: And you don’t say anything like I’m upset, we need to talk, or anything like that, do you?
JA: No
JM: You say you have a really bad headache and that you can barely move, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And that’s at 7:36, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And then there’s a gap of about 2 hours or an hour and 45 minutes which could be with an activity with family home evening, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and he says alright, I’ll get it tomorrow, then, right?
JA: He says for me to get it tomorrow
JM: Alright, get it tomorrow, right
JA: Yes
JM: In other words, make the exchange of cars that’s going to happen, let’s just do it tomorrow or you do it tomorrow, right?
JA: Yes, whichever
JM: Which indicates you aren’t going to get together that night, are you?
JA: At the moment, yet
JM: Not at the moment, it says ‘do it tomorrow”, right
JA: when that text was sent, yes
JM: But then you want to talk to him, right
JA: Yes
JM: That’s at 9:16 pm you say “Can you talk right now” And he says “no not right now.”, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Presumably if he went to family home evening, I’m not saying that he did, that’s probably what he’s doing if he did go to, right?
JA: if he did go, maybe if family home evening is still going on
JM: If he did go, right? But previously, ma’am you told us that he was the one that wanted to talk to you, right? Didn’t you tell us that he kept calling and calling and calling until you relented? And then you went over, right?
JA: He did want to talk to me, yes
JM: But it looks here like you want to talk to him doesn't it.
JA: I do now, yes
JM: And then you still aren’t together at 11:33 and you sent him a message “How long”, right?
JA: that’s right
JM: How long is he going to be out is what you’re asking him, aren’t you?
JA: No, how long til he is ready to talk
JM: well that’s part of, given what we’ve seen about this relationship, isn’t that part of your jealousy because you want to know what’s going on that night?
KN: Objection, argumentative
Judge: Sustained
JM: Ma’am how long that’s you saying how long before we can talk, isn’t that what it means
JA: Yes
JM: And then he says to you and the times aren’t there, but he does and by that I mean there weren’t written in he says did you use my phone this morning without asking?
JA: Yes
JM: So, if you got together that evening it was after 11:33 after he got done doing whatever hw was doing, right?
JA: what was that questions
JM: If you got together that evening it was after he got done doing whatever he was doing?
JA: That’s right
JM: So, it doesn't seem like he’s in a hurry to talk to you, does it?
JA: I don’t know
JM: It doesn’t seem like he’s this upset like you portrayed him that he really wanted to talk to this issue that you say that you saw him engaged in, right?
KN: Objection, calls for speculation
Judge: Sustained
JM: there are gaps here where he’s doing whatever he’s doing and you’re doing the asking ‘how long’, right?
JA: That’s right
JM: He then asks you if you used his phone in the morning without asking, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you tell him that you did, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And you ask why and he says nothing, right?
JA: Yes
JM: There’s an issue about the deposit and in fact you're asking him if he made the deposit, right?
JA: Yes
JM: and he told you that you did, right
JA: Yes
JM: Is he giving you money there?
JA: What’s the date?
JM: Pardon
JA: What’s the date on that one?
JM: the 22nd
JA: I think, I don't know what we were referring there
JM: well you do say, your text message does say “did you make the deposit?”
JA: yes
JM: And he said yes, and then you say what
JA: thank you, I'll make it up to you soon.
JM: It looks like he lent you money there doesn’t it?
JA: Yes
JM: Any idea how much money he lent you?
JA: He lent me money in small increments, I don’t remember
JM: And he would do it if you needed it, right?
JA: If he could, he would, yes
JM: And if you needed it, right?
JA: Yes
JM: That same day at 3:36 in the afternoon you say to him “I’m gonna need a ride at 4pm. Txt me.” Still the issue of the car, right?
JA: Yes
For him to
JM: Where’s your car
JA: Um, probably parked at his house
JM: How’d you get to work?
JA: Sometimes he drove me and sometimes I carpooled with a co-worker
JM: So what happened on this particular day?
JA: I don’t remember.
JM: What time did you get to work?
JA: I don’t remember, I usually worked in the mornings, but sometimes I worked evenings also.
JM: So this day, you were going to get off at 4:00, right?
JA: Well, it would vary, if business permits
JM: but that’s what it says there, right
JA: Yes
JM: And this is at 3:36, you want him to pick you up, right?
JA: Yes
JM: How long is your shift, usually, four, six, eight hours?
JA: um depended on the flow of business, typically it was 4-6 hours
JM: And then at 4:04 you sent him a text message: “Scratch that. They’re keeping me here til 5pm! =( can you pick me up then? The lunch offer from my voicemail still stands. What are you talking about?
JA: For him to pick me up after work
JM: Pardon
JA: For him to pick me up after work
JM: No, I’m asking about the lunch offer, I’m not asking about him picking you up.
JA: I felt really bad for him after everything that happened, so I offered, I was just trying to feel better because if I were in his shoes, I’d just want to jump off a bridge
JM: So what about the lunch offer, what are you talking about?
JA: That’s what it was; I offered to get him lunch
JM: Well it’s 4:00 in the afternoon, lunch is usually at noon, isn’t it?
JA: well not for Travis
JM: Then he says Sure. I’m almost off, yay, are you eating? If so, just sit at the counter, right?
JA: Right
JM: Throughout this whole text message between you and him, there’s no discussion about anything that may have happened on the 21st is there?
JA: Not in text messages, definitely not.
JM: The answer is no, right
JA: No
JM: And in terms of the phone calls that you claim were being made, there wasn’t this barrage of phone calls from him that you didn’t respond to. Actually it was more give and take, wasn’t it?
JA: He left a barrage of phone calls at one period of time, yes.
JM: Pardon
JA: he did. He left a barrage of phone calls
JM: well, let’s just take a look at his phone records, okay, so that we can see.
Afternoon break.

JM: Nowhere in your journal do you ever mention anything about Mr. Alexander and this incident that you claim involving masturbatory conduct, correct?
JA: That’s correct
JM: Take a look at exhibit 463 listing phone calls between you and Mr. Alexander or from Mr. Alexander to you
(1:30)
JA: Ok
JM: I understand those are not your phone records, right?
JA: That’s right
JM: And so I don’t expect you to vouch for the authentication aspect of it, but we did previously discuss the between you and Mr. Alexander and you indicated that that seems right. The calls that were previously discussed, they’re on that sheet, correct?
JA: Um, not all of the calls but yes some are
JM: All of the calls that are there are the one’s between you and him, correct?
JA: The ones highlighted are between him and I, yes
JM: There are other calls, but not between you and him, right?
JA: yes

JM: And the calls between you and him are the ones that you and I talked about and that you indicated that they seemed right, correct?
JA: They seem correct, that’s right
JM: That sheet bears that out, correct
JA: Yeah, the times are out of order, but
JM: The times are out of order; they’re out of order because they’re different switches that carried the calls, right?
JA: I don’t know
KN: Objection
JM: But they are out of order
JA: The times are out of order, yes
JM: But the, in terms of the calls themselves, for example we talked about you calling him at 3:53 pm, you could find that on there, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: There’s a blue marking for those, right
JA: Yes
JM: There’s that call, right and there is no other call on the 21st previous to 3:53 pm that you can see, right?
JA: You mean from me to him?
JM: Um, right or from him to you or from you to him
JA: From me to him, I don’t see any others before 3:53
JM: Right, and the last call that was made by Mr. Alexander on that telephone was at 7:11 pm, right?
There are no calls from his phone number after
JA: I don’t see the one at 7:11
JM: The last call period that he made, not just to you, but to anybody.
JA: On the 21sr
JM: to anybody
JA: Okay
JM: That is the last call, right? There may be others that have called him, but that’s the last call he made.
JA: Oh, I didn’t look at who was calling who. Um it looks like this is the last call from his cell phone on the 22nd,
JM: The 21st
JA: um the 21st, my apologies.
JM: Ma’am this issue regarding your allegation, if I may have that back, that Mr. Alexander was engaging in masturbation while viewing images of boys and girls, that was subject of a hearing back on August 8 of 2011 wasn’t it?
JA: Um, I believe it was, partly
JM: Well, ma’am let me show you a document to make sure we’re clear. If I can have it certified.

Attorneys at sidebar
(10:18)
JM: Ma’am look at exhibit 464 and see if this refreshes your recollection as to the date of the hearing, which is in the upper right-hand corner, and then take a look at page three to see if that refreshes your recollection that there was a hearing at all
(11:10)
JA: Yes, there is some language I don't understand but I can remember this
JM: Right, I’m just asking about the date, August 8th, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And the purpose of that hearing involved at least an aspect of the allegation that Mr. Alexander had engaged in pedophilic conduct, correct
KN: Objection
Judge: Overruled
JA: an aspect, yes
JM: and 4 days, on August 4th before that, you tried to get somebody to lie at that hearing, didn't you?
JA: No
JM: Alright, let me show you some documents. I want you to take a look at exhibit 465.
KN: Judge we're gonna object, may we approach?
Judge: Yes, you may approach

(19:16)

Judge: Exhibit 465 is admitted
Ma’am, previously you talked to us yesterday during direct examination about being in jail and doing and interview with Inside Edition, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And in fact you were in jail when you received this magazine, correct
JA: Yes
JM: It’s addressed to you, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And with regard to this magazine, on August 4th, isn’t it true that an individual by the name of Ann Campbell came to visit you
JA: Yes
JM: And she came by and the visitation began at 1:36 but for you, roughly 1:30 in the afternoon, right?
JA: Yeah, it was in the afternoon.
JM: And that conversation between you and Ann Campbell lasted approximately an hour, correct?
JA: Um, it lasted a long time from what I remember
JM: And as part of the process while you were there, as part of the visitation one of the things that you wanted to do was to give two magazines to Ms. Campbell, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: and the way it works is that before you give that magazine, it has to go through a guard so that they can give it out to the person, right?
JA: It has to go through a sergeant
JM: Right, and in this case, that’s what happened with the magazine, correct?
JA: umm yeah, it goes through an officer, then a sergeant, then another officer.
JM: Bottom line is you wanted to give this magazine to Ann Campbell, right?
JA: That one and another one
JM: Right, Star magazine, correct?
JA: Yes, Star
JM: Well let’s look at the other magazine. Take a look at exhibit number 466.
JA: Is this the magazine that you wanted to give to Ann Campbell, exhibit 466?
JA: I don’t see
JM: Well, it’s got your name as the addressee, correct?
JA: Um, yes
JM: And it is a Star magazine, correct?
JA: Yes, that’s the one
JM: And it’s the one that went along with the photography magazine, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: Move for the admission of exhibit 466.
KN: No objection
Judge: 466 is admitted

(24:54)
JM: Exhibit 465 is called Digital Photo Pro magazine, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: You previously indicated to us that you’re very interested in photography and that sort of thing, right?
JA: I, yes, I was
JM: And that for many years prior to your arrest that you were involved in that sort of thing?
JA: Yes
JM: You took photographs at weddings and other kinds of photographs, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And here is the tag that’s on there, it does have your name on there, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And inside this magazine on page 6, if you just look at it, would be the printed numbers to the side and the red numbers to the side. There is some writing in pencil can you see it?
JA: Yes
JM: And can you tell us, if you can, what that says.
JA: Mark Stanach 520-256-1178, ABC in parentheses
JM: And you know who Mark Stanach is, right?
JA: Yes
JM: Mark Stanach is a producer for at that time was a producer for ABC news, correct?
JA: Yes, well I don’t know if he was a producer at that time
JM: But he had visited you on occasion, right?
JA: Um, yes about four years ago
JM: Right about the same time that it’s going on, let me just show you exhibit number 467. Does that refresh your recollection as to when this individual from ABC news was visiting you?
JA: Um, yes
JM: And what dates did he visit you?
JA: July 8 2009 and September 17, 2009
JM: Okay and that’s the same individual that’s mentioned there, right?
JA: Yes
JM: You previously indicated to us that in regards to Inside Edition that they came to visit you and that you really didn’t solicit them coming out to the jail to talk to you, right?
JA: That’s right
JM: And that you believe that the guard pushed you into that interview, right?
JA: Inside Edition, yes
JM: And what was that guard’s name?
JA: I don’t remember her name, it was 5 years ago, almost, she didn’t push me, she just encouraged me.
JM: Well who, what’s the name of this person that encouraged you?
JA: I don’t remember her name, they don’t wear nametags.
JM: But with regard to the visit involving to Mark Stanach at ABC news she had nothing to do with that, right?
JA: No, nothing to do with that one
JM: And you took his visit, right?
JA: Yes I did
JM: You can refuse a visit from anybody you want, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And you did not refuse his visit, right?
JA: That’ right
JM: Now, let’s take a look at another page, page 20 and there are some words there are page 20 and they’re kind of hard to find, but they’re in pencil, right. The writings?
JA: I haven’t seen them
JM: Those are in pencil, right?
JA: It looks like it, yes
JM: Pardon
JA: It looks like it, yes
JM: Well, no, take a look at it, I want to make sure.
JA: Yes, it is.
JM: and where you are living currently they do not allow pens, right?
JA: That’s right
JM: They only allow pencils, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And on this page number 20 it says, read it for me
JA: you testify so
JM: Page 37, you would agree that the one on page 20 is kind of hard to find.
JA: It seems like it, yeah
JM: Page 37 has some more writing on it, see that, right there. Again if the glare is too much let me know and I’ll
JA: It looks like it says, oh you want me to read it, sorry?
JM: yes, please
JA: It looks like it says “we can fix this”
JM: “we can fix this”, right?
JA: Right
JM: Page 40 has some more writing on it, and the lighting’s not so good, but it says. What does it say?
JA: It looks like it says directly contradicts what I've been saying for over a year
JM: ok and the publishing date on this item is August 2011 correct?
JA: That's correct
JM: Page 43 says what?
JA: It says you ****ed up what you told my attorney the other the next day
JM: ok and page 54 says, what
JA: Interview was excellent, must talk ASAP
JM: and 56 says what
JA: get down here ASAP and see me before you talk to them again and before
JM: It doesn't seem to make much sense but let me mark exhibit for you.

(32:42)
Take a look at exhibit 468 this contains the pages of what was written on them, doesn't it?
And if you need the book let me know.
JA: Yes
JM: I move for the admission of exhibit 468
KN: Objection as to foundation
Judge: approach

(34::50)
Judge: 468 is admitted
JM: In summary this is what we've just covered, correct, in the magazine
JA: That’s correct
[Exhibit 468: Digital Photo Pro Magazine
Page 6: March Stanoch (520)256-1178 (ABC)
Page 20: You testify so
Page 37: We can fix this
Page 40: directly contradicts what I've been saying for over a year
Page 43: You ****ed up. What you told my attorney next day
Page 54: Interview was excellent! Must talk asap!
Page 56: Get down here asap and see me before you talk to them again and before]
JM: Let’s take a look at the Star magazine, which is exhibit 466, and this is addressed to you correct?
JA: Yes
JA: I see July 2011 up in the corner and Feb 6 2012 there
JM: If we go to page 82, because if we look at this exhibit number 468, what is written here doesn't seem to make sense, right?
JA: Not offhand, not
JM: But if we then go to exhibit 466, there are some numbers on the bottom of that and they are in pencil, aren’t they?
JA: Um, yes
JM: What are the numbers?
JA: My understanding is that they’re page numbers
JM: That may be your understanding but what are the numbers
JA: 43, 40, 56, 20, 37, 54
JM: ok. If we then combine with exhibit 468, according to those numbers, ma’am, I want you to take a look at an exhibit: 469. Does exhibit 469 have those statements in the order that was set up in Star magazine?
JA: Yes
JM:
JM: Move for the admission of exhibit number 469
Objection your honor.
Judge: Overruled, exhibit 469 is admitted.

(38:52)
JM: Take a look at, read it please
JA: You ****ed up. What you told my attorney next day directly contradicts what I've been saying for a year. Get down here asap and see me before you talk to them again and before you testify so we can fix this. Interview was excellent! Must talk asap!
JM: so ma’am this was written in these two magazines four days, when you attempted to transfer them, four days before a hearing on August 8, 2011, right?
JA: I don't know where they were written
JM: Well, this magazine the Star magazine as well as the photography magazine, You attempted to transfer those on August 4 four days before this hearing, right?
JA: Just the magazines, yes
JM: I know you keep saying just the magazines, the magazines have your name on them, correct?
JA: Yes, I’m only allowed to release my own property
JM: Ma’am, I understand that, but those magazines have your name on them, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And those magazines were in your possession on August 4th of 2011, right?
JA: Yes
JM: And those magazines you had with you when you went to meet with Ann Campbell, right?
JA: I brought them almost to the visit, but they don’t go with me to see her
JM: Excuse me?
JA: They don’t go with me to see her they get passed off to several officers.
JM: I understand, but you brought them there yourself, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And you, at some point during the visit requested that these magazines be given to Ann Campbell, right?
JA: Yes
JM: These two magazines that we’re talking about, correct?
JA: Correct
JM: And that was actually done, and you’re trying to tell us about the process. Why don’t you tell us what the process is
JA: The process is when you want to release property, you have to fill out a request, you have to state your request fairly specifically, what you’re releasing, the title of what you’re releasing. Um at least those are the rules now, they’ve updated it. It was more generic then. And it is given to an officer who inspects it and when it passes inspection it’s given to a sergeant who approves then it’s passed off to, um, either I think it’s called there’s a control center it’s given to that officer, then it’s given to a visitation officer so when the visitor leaves, they pick up the property and go.
JM: And that’s how this, and you attempted to use that process to get these magazines to Ann Campbell, right?
JA: Yes

JM: Right, I’m just asking about the date, August 8th, correct?
JA: Yes
JM: And the purpose of that hearing involved at least an aspect of the allegation that Mr. Alexander had engaged in pedophilic conduct, correct
KN: Objection
Judge: Overruled
JA: an aspect, yes
JM: and 4 days, on August 4th before that, you tried to get somebody to lie at that hearing, didn't you?
JA: No
JM: Alright, let me show you some documents. I want you to take a look at exhibit 465.
KN: Judge we're gonna object, may we approach?
Judge: Yes, you may approach

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I somehow missed this question about her asking someone to lie at the hearing. This makes much more sense now.

David Hall's video of Travis shooting his guns is to be provided to the court

REGALED!

re·gale (r-gl)
v. re·galed, re·gal·ing, re·gales
v.tr.
1. To provide with great enjoyment; entertain. See Synonyms at amuse.
2. To entertain sumptuously with food and drink; provide a feast for.
v.intr.
To feast.
n.
1. A great feast.
2. A choice food; a delicacy.
3. Refreshment.

Missed some testimony first 15 min . . .

JA on stand w/JM . . .
it was hurting her to lie to Det.Flores . . . JA states she didn't want her family to see the video and her admitting to killing of TA . . . . back on 7/15/08 . . . JA admitted she had a problem (internal problem) . . . .

internal issue she had made it ok to lie on 7/15/08 . . . she kept lying over and over - JA says she told herself not ok to lie but never said that to Det. F. . . . .

In this interview she said she had never been in AZ . . . absolute lie - she knew she had killed TA . . . . gave excuse after excuse - not whole interview was a lie but anything having to do with her presence or responsibility was a lie . . .

It hurt her in the moment - how it didn't change anything . . .. since you are already charged - it didn't change where you were staying or were still charged . . . didn't change anything . . . that's not right
probably changed my whole future . ..
not asking whole future - just what it changed on that day

After that interview you had another chance to talk to Det Flores . . . voluntary -
on previous day not given too much info about the crime but on the 2nd day he showed you photographs . . . I think that was on the 16th IIRC

JA said she was not very sophisticated in dealing with LE in the past - gives you an excuse to lie? no . .. did it anyway . .. yes I did . .. . what difference does it make if you are not sophisticated with LE in terms of telling truth or a lie - guess it didnt'

He asked you questions . . .. you were answering - he was speaking English - you understood what he was asking (mostly yes) . . . you didn't understand what he was asking . . .I understood the English words not the meaning behind the question - don't know if I understood his motive behind the question.

you were answering whatever you wanted to answer- chose to change your story from the day before - reason you changed was the story didn't work . . .you were still in jail - nothing had changed (not that I remember)

Do you have problems with your memory? Occassionally Didn't have problems with memory about the sexual exploits with TA - you regailed (?) . . . you told us about sexual relations . . . to best of my recollection . . .

Great memory re: TA's sexual exploits . . . .
you told us a lot about you and TA's sexual . . . gave dates (yes - usually)
what happened - usually
oral sex - tell us when that was, where and when it happened . . . YES

November of 2006 -no
week after we met Sept 2006 - early Sept. 2006
you have a good memory for events before july 2008
I reviewed and memorized it . . .date and time stamps of photos

looked @ photos . . .there are photos first time you had oral sex with TA?
no - photos of convention Sept.2006 .
@ or near the time of oral sex
don't think so
you have an independent memory of having oral intercourse the first time it happened?
Independent of what?
memory of oral intercourse?
yes . . . .
before 7/15/08 interview
yes

memory . . .
very briefly it makes me sick to my stomach
your memory of 7/16/08 is so clouded it is based upon that review . . . you have an independent memory
what you remember in your head
based upon what I reviewed
you don't have any independent recollection"
some of it

you remember you lied about everything, and lied about killing of TA . . .drastic change from what you said the day before to the Detective . . .

Det. had already told you about the fingerprints an the hair and DNA analysis . . . photo with a foot - your foot
*yes

don't deny that is your foot in photo -
I don't deny
that is when you changed your story
yes

to change your story to comport with what he was telling you
yes
lie because of the consequences
not because of the consequences

goal to go to prison?
wasn't a goal of mine
something you were trying to avoid
I don't know I was trying to kill myself
you said that many times . .. more than 3-4 times

in Siskiu County jail . . . took razor and cut yourself
it was a nick
it stung so much it wasn't the way for me to go
I didn't say that
you said it stung
that night
I am not talking about any other night

nicked self and it hurt - stung . . . you stung and you stopped how much it hurt TA when you stuck that knife right into his chest that must have hurt right?
Object 0 sustained

(JA looking like she might actually have a feeling at this very moment - she might actually be trying to cry)

From twitter:

#jodiarias testimony convinces me that Travis never attacked her...if he was a violent man he would have killed HER long ago. #justifiably

You told 2 other stories . . . .

one where there is a female and a male . . . .
yes
police going to follow up on that
I didn't know that
you actually think police aren't going to follow up on that?


Did you consider the consequences of you lie?
no
no because it was all about you

you said you were taking a photo . . .never mentioned abut dropping a camera, running down the hall, someone hit you on the head - you heard a pop, heard TA moaning/screaming to go to neighbors . . .saw TA on all 4's . . . .

I said he couldn't move his feet . . . .he was lethargic . . . .get out of there . . .
told detective this lie because you didn't want to be charged in this case
not the reason
reason you told him you did want to be charged in this case?

didn't tell him astory just to be charged . . . for a reason . . . because of embarrassment is more important than telling the truth
I didn't really weigh importance

didn't tell truth because of embarrassment
shame
shame on you?
yes
you are ashamed because you killed him?
that and other things

you feelings in this case shame - so strong . . that was good excuse for your lie
wasn't the sole deciding factor but t was a big reason
this feeling of shame was more important to you then than telling the truth

your feeling of shame was stronger that it overrode you telling the truth
right
benefitted you because of shame . . .
wasn't thinking of benefits
werent' thinkin of telling the truth
I considered it

I would have to explan why - would have to go thru our whole history . . . I was ashamed
didn't you do that last 8 days -
I think it was 9 days - someone told me It was days . .. what I believe

are you testifying based upon what someone told you vs. what you know
the things I am saying right now are because I know them

Someone told you 9 days on the stand . . . with regard to that day all this information was out there and you didn't want it to come out . . .
it wasn't out there - Ididn't want it to come out

you were being a good Samaritan in lying? . . . you didn't want this stuff to come out you were being a good person . . .wanted to hide information in addition to lying

the Det isn't the only person you lied to. . . . lied to everyone . . . .lied to Ryan Burns
yes
had a romantic interest in him
yes
went to Utah to see if romantic interest
not my goal
he was an afterthought?
yeah he was

If RB was an afterthought . . . . he was a alibi?
no - after June 4th . . .. that was the reason why I planned the trip
romantic interest with RB . . had not seen him before- never been on a date . . just text message/phone calls . . . .
did instant message him
I can't remember if that was before or after June 4th - don't recall the date of the IM "this is a test"

I needed to keep up with the ? . . .. lied about getting lost
yes
didn't get lost that day?
I did get lost
because of TA you got lost?
where did you get lost?
my understanding it was somewhere in AZ
not where someone told you . . . tell m where you got lost physically . .. . .first time you realized you were lost>
when I couldn't power my phone it was dark
before or after killing TA
after

you pulled off to side of road . . .continued to on to see Mr. Burns
yes
one o the first persons you called once you got your phone charged was Matt McCartney -
he's a good friend, an ally, one who won't betray you
no he has betrayed me

you didn't tell 48 hrs he would not betray you
I did saythat
would he or not betray you
when I said that to 48 hrs it was my belief he would not betray me

With regard to what I said in Sept 2008 I believed he would not betray me
tried to call Mr. McCartney . . . said you are lost . . . got out of the car and clean up because you knew what you had done
I don't remember thinking that
you knew you had killed TA at that point?
yes or no
not really . .. it's not

on the side of the road in your mind - you don't know if you killed him or not
in my mind I was kind of not there
werent' there ?
weren't there in my head

you were there enough to call MMc and RB and leave a call for TA . . . you were not there?
depends on the time period
when you were washing your hands/
I think I did . . .

Blood on your hands - you had been driving . . .had been @ TA's . . there had been a fight and you had done something . . . . caused mr. TA to bleed . . . .

I had cuts too . . so . . . .
cuts could have come from you stabbing him?
don't know where the cuts come from?
I hAD cut myself before

on the glasses . . . .
you are left handed
I am both
you told 48 hrs you are left
depends on activity - I write with both but I am more proficient with my left

you find you charger when you pulled over . . made telephone all to Mr. Burns - then starts the lie . . .drive all the wy to see him - get there @ 11am . . . accurate?
I believe it was before hand
go up there and have this meeting . . . still don't know if TA is dead - that is what you are telling us right
not what I am saying . .. Its not . . . not accepting it in my mind . . .strong state of denial
You knew it just didn't want to deal with it . . . accepting and knowing are 2 different things . . accepting you didn't want to deal with it
I don't know . . . my mind wasn't right during thatwhole period
issue here is whether or not you knew he was dead .
I believe I knew he was dead
saw RB you were same person - happy, smiling
I was not but I was trying to portray that
a façade for RB?
for all my friends

pretend you were happy to see if there was any spark with Rb
furthest thing from my mind @ the point
the thing in your mind you killed TA

go on thru the day . . . meeting takes place with RB and an associate . . .go back to RB's place . . . in the afternoon you begin to kiss him . . . wanted to put up a façade when kissing him
one of the reasons
to see if there was a spark between the 2 of you
not the reason
you did kiss him knowing TA was dead
I guess so

You knew TA was dead
It's hard to explain
wha is hard to explain about a person breathing or not . . .
I never killed anyone before - I am having a hard time describing what my feelings were
why did you leave him to die?
I don't think I did that
you left him to die?
I don't believe that
can't have it both ways

at the time you were kissing RB's lips did you know TA was dead
I think I did
you continued kissing Rb anyway
I don't know
you don't know you were making out before you went out for the evening
I don't know -we kissed

went to atraining in the evening
not a training - it was a business briefing
when you drove with leslie Ude?
Don't know we might have followed RB to the place
met up with LU?
yes
then went to Chilis'
went to a restaurant . . .talking to Leslie in the car
in the parking lot . . .it was longer than 5 minutes
you looked forward to the future when you kids and TA's kids could play together
yes
that was a lie wasn't it?
JA refuses to answer looks up (rolls eyes?)

your kids and TA kids play together @ PPL events
that was a hope of mine
if you are saying that and you know he is dead - how can you lie to her?
I had that hope
you knew he was dead - can't have it both ways.

It was a hope o mine . .. fact he had died didn't change my hope . . . just made it unrealistic

that was your hope even though he was dead
it was a hope of mine
wasn't that a lie
no - that was a wish of mine

you were great friends never mentioned anything that had happened @ his house . .. do you know Mark Ude?
yes
did not have any cuts to your left hand?
I had cuts on my right hand for sure but I don' remember if on my left - there were no bandaids on my left

Mr. Ude sitting right next to you - he would have seen your hands on the table
I had bandaids on my right hand . . . I didn't have bandaids on my left hand . .

cuts on your left hand?
it's possible - not that I remember
there is a possilbity . . . . you don't remember if someone else says it could be your would not have reason to quibble over it
I don't know . .. I didn have band aids on my left but on my right

you returned back to RB's house - go to sleep . . .clock is set to get up - you need to get back t work . .. yes
Margaritaville?
no - I don't know any place called Margaritaville
cut yur hand @ work but not @ Margaritaville

you wake up & become passionate with Rb
not passionate but yes kissing
you "adjusted him"
I helped him adjust himself
if you helped him there was some adjusting going on - yes
you moved his buttocks
not
you didn't get on top of him and grind on him
I didn't grind my butt

Perhaps the Mormons have something different . . . .you and TA did some grinding . . . your genetalia rubbed against each other . .. . your saying you got on top of RB's waist area . . .no I got off of him I fell asleep on him

you got on top of RB
I got off
at some point you had to be on top of him
I was on top of his stomach
with your legs spread
we were in the love sac
were you straddling
I think I might have been
isn't it true you were straddling his mid section . . . .kissing going on
no we were sleeping

romantic kissing going on?
yes - it started first in the afternoon and early morning on the 5th or 6th
he placed his hands between your legs
no . . . he was full of crap when he said he got near my vaginal area

you are saying he is full of crap - you who lied to Det. Flores, Leslie Ude, people in Utah and Arizona . . .
yes I lied to everyone and he is lying about that

you drive back to Yreka . . . .you received a call 6/10/08 early morning from Daniel Freeman - testified earlier in these proceedings - he was telling you about TA - you lied to him right?
I don't know - I guess

you did lie . . .don't guess
I don't recall the conversation
did you tell him you were the one who killed him
I didn't tell that - I don't remember

did you tell him you knew whathappened to TA
no
the conversation allowed for that sort of response from you - but you kept it to yourself
yes

you heard his voice - you could tell if he was upset . . .been around him - went to his house for Sunday dinner - his sister Desiree and he went camping and went to Havisupai . . . you could tell from his voice he was upset
that done of voice was foreighn to you
it was gentle
you never told him you were responsible for killing TA
no
instead you chose to perpetuate the lie
yes
you then called religious person - Bishop Layton and asked him if TA was dead
I don't think I asked him that
wasn't that topic of the conversation - you were calling as the grieving ex-girlfriend someone who cares
I called as a friend . . . there were many things I didn't know
you were calling to get information so later you could lie about it
I just wanted to know if he knew
to see if anyone was onto you right
yes
what it was you needed to do so you would not be charged for anything . .. what purpose would it be to ask him what he knew . . . if not to benefit you?
the memory block was bothering me
I was asking about the information you were trying to get from Bishop Layton . . .called him in the middle of the night @ 3am . . . spoke to him wanted to get infor about what he knew about the investigation
that was part of it


That wasn't my thought
you remember you had been there that day . . .there had been this confrontation and you didn't call 911 . . . what did you need to know about the investigation when you had first hand knowledge - why did you need info from someone with 2nd hand information?

you knew that you were there - and he was dead - why are you calling for information? to rub it in?

Sidebar

I called Gus Searcy, Leslie Udy, Bishop Layton . . .

went out of your way to contact TA's family didn't you?
I made contact yes
Do you know Mumum's is?
Norma ? - his Grandma
who raised him?
You talked with TA about his upbringing in the Rubidore? area of Southern Calif . . . you sent her 20 iris's . . . you indicated she was in your prayers . . .you felt badly for her?
yes
a way for you to assuage your guilt?
that was not my thought
she received them on 6/13/08 didn't she? you wrote that in your journal
I was going off my email confirmation
you included this message you were sorry for what happened
yes
for your benefit
no .

Not for your benefit - even though you had done it - you sent the Iris's - you knew she was an older woman who was very tight with TA . .. you sent these items to her

Noon recess . . .be back by 1:25

JA wipes a tear from her chin

Question of the Day from Prosecutor Juan Martinez to defendant Jodi Arias:

"How do you think Travis felt when you stabbed him in the heart?"

Priceless!!

We are back in court .. . . Judge asks Atty's to approach the bench . . . JM is up @ the bench and waiting for Defense . . .. JW has a ton of files/papers/documents in her hands . . . camera focuses on JA's Mom and Aunt who appear to be sucking on candy or a cough drop/mint? . . . .

Ja is staringinto the gallery - her ears perk up and she looks overto JW who s talking intently to the Judge and has her left palm extended out in front of her an to the side as while talking . . . .(like . . . . here's all/what I've got your honor) . . . .
Det. Flores sists @ State Atty talble strumming hi fingers . . .

JA looks down and away . . . then watches JM hand over a document to the judge who appears to be reading it (with her glasses on) . . . JA stares out into the gallery . . .. TA's sisters look briefly toward the camera an quickly away (is JA in their line of vision?)

Judge is speaking directly to Wilmot now . . . hands paper back to JM .. . JM speaksing directly and closely with the Judge . . . Judge leans in listening . . . . (JA appearsto crane her neck and listen intently for a moment) . . . Juge picks paper back up and re-reviews document . . .Wilmot arguing her point wit her left index finger tapping the desk

judge has righ pal up and out . . .gesturing to Wilmot directly . . . judge looks over her glasses @ Wilmot - who appears to be attempting to argue her case . . . judge appears to be listening and talkg to Wilmot -JM leans into listen . . .

Gallery shot . . herAun & Sister appear to be interested . .. Ja stares out into the audience of the gallery . . . JA's Momwatching intently . . . Judge still talking to Wilmot . . . hands paper back . . . WM gives judge paper back . . judge is holding her chin (thinker pose/)

TA's sisters watching . . . JA is looking down . . . .

now judge is talking to JM and asking him questions - still in the thinker pose

JA looks down and appears to be "zoning ut' . . . . almost as if she were sleeping . . . . (praying?)
camera backs ut . . . Judges still listening to JW and JM argue their point . . .

JA is "tuned out . . looking down . . . not mentally/emotionally present" - at least that is what it looks like to me . . .

Judge is reading something aloud or talking while reading . . . .

Judge handed paper back to JM and said "OK"
JM now appears to be arguing a new point

Folks it's 12:45 PST . . . I think court began approx. 15 min ago an everyone is waiting for the Atty's to argue their points . . . I do not think the Jurors have been allowed back into the room.

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