Veidt
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I'm new to this case so if I say something obviously wrong please tell me, also, this is all JMO.
I think that's making A LOT of assumptions. I know that when I was 17 I was really careful and if I had a car back then I wouldn't have stopped for anyone/anything. I'm not saying that they were just like me in this - I'm just trying to say that everybody is different.
I also don't think the girls pretended to be lost to extend the night out. Think about it, they seem to have gone back and forth while they were out and even stopped to ask people for directions. If they were faking being lost the most they would have done would have been to call their parents. Plus why else wouldn't they be at the party? Don't forget these were the 90s, IIRC many phones at this time did not have a screen, so if they weren't truly lost they would have just called their parents from the party.
Finally, I definitely don't think the semen came from consensual sexual activity. In part because I think that teenagers trying to sneak around would have just cleaned it up to avoid getting caught accidentally plus it's just a gut feeling I get.
As to the scenarios, I wonder why there would be mud and briars on them. They would have to have gotten out of the car at some point, probably in a more rural area. Does anyone know what happened to the soil samples? Were they ever matched with any places? (What about the bullet shells?) It's important to remember, too, that areas that are paved and have houses on them nowadays aren't ruled out necessarily if in the 90s they hadn't been built on.
I agree with whoever said they were wondering about the seat's distance from the wheel. That could give us an idea of the size of the person who last sat there, and establish whether the girls drove it over to that street. Something that I find confusing - I initially thought that the car was driven to the spot where it was found by the murderer, which would explain the location being slightly strange and also the lack of keys which he could have used to drive and then kept as a token. BUT I also wonder, wouldn't this imply fingerprints on the wheel? If he was wearing gloves to drive he would have put them on before rather than leaving the palm print. Driving gloves, perhaps?
Regarding what would have made them stop - I agree that it was probably someone posing as a police office/a police officer, or someone pretending to be injured. This sounds much more likely. If their families were right in saying they would only have stopped for the police and also in general, this to me explains why they would have stopped. If they saw a police light they would have had no reason to think it was suspicious. Likewise, it's not completely outlandish to me that someone would be lurking, waiting for female drivers who were alone or in pairs to drive up, and then pretending to be injured or in need of help. Other killers have used ways of gaining sympathy to lure in their victims.
The rolled down window doesn't immediately say policeman/policeman impersonator to me; it could have been warm enough to have a window open OR they could have stopped again to get directions or to speak to the injured person. Then he points a gun at one of them, and threatens to kill them if they don't get out of the car (thus explaining why there were no signs of great struggle).
As a final thought - I wonder if maybe the mud could have been related or not. If it was, maybe whoever did it had to lure them into a patch of vegetation, e.g. crying out for help if that was possible without attracting attention. But they could have gotten it earlier, if they at some point stopped elsewhere to ask for directions before they were last seen.
Also...ladies...when you were 17 what is the one thing that would have gotten you to stop if you were driving around? A good looking guy in a nice car.....think about it...gives a bit more credibilty to the prominent son rumor...
I think that's making A LOT of assumptions. I know that when I was 17 I was really careful and if I had a car back then I wouldn't have stopped for anyone/anything. I'm not saying that they were just like me in this - I'm just trying to say that everybody is different.
I also don't think the girls pretended to be lost to extend the night out. Think about it, they seem to have gone back and forth while they were out and even stopped to ask people for directions. If they were faking being lost the most they would have done would have been to call their parents. Plus why else wouldn't they be at the party? Don't forget these were the 90s, IIRC many phones at this time did not have a screen, so if they weren't truly lost they would have just called their parents from the party.
Finally, I definitely don't think the semen came from consensual sexual activity. In part because I think that teenagers trying to sneak around would have just cleaned it up to avoid getting caught accidentally plus it's just a gut feeling I get.
As to the scenarios, I wonder why there would be mud and briars on them. They would have to have gotten out of the car at some point, probably in a more rural area. Does anyone know what happened to the soil samples? Were they ever matched with any places? (What about the bullet shells?) It's important to remember, too, that areas that are paved and have houses on them nowadays aren't ruled out necessarily if in the 90s they hadn't been built on.
I agree with whoever said they were wondering about the seat's distance from the wheel. That could give us an idea of the size of the person who last sat there, and establish whether the girls drove it over to that street. Something that I find confusing - I initially thought that the car was driven to the spot where it was found by the murderer, which would explain the location being slightly strange and also the lack of keys which he could have used to drive and then kept as a token. BUT I also wonder, wouldn't this imply fingerprints on the wheel? If he was wearing gloves to drive he would have put them on before rather than leaving the palm print. Driving gloves, perhaps?
Regarding what would have made them stop - I agree that it was probably someone posing as a police office/a police officer, or someone pretending to be injured. This sounds much more likely. If their families were right in saying they would only have stopped for the police and also in general, this to me explains why they would have stopped. If they saw a police light they would have had no reason to think it was suspicious. Likewise, it's not completely outlandish to me that someone would be lurking, waiting for female drivers who were alone or in pairs to drive up, and then pretending to be injured or in need of help. Other killers have used ways of gaining sympathy to lure in their victims.
The rolled down window doesn't immediately say policeman/policeman impersonator to me; it could have been warm enough to have a window open OR they could have stopped again to get directions or to speak to the injured person. Then he points a gun at one of them, and threatens to kill them if they don't get out of the car (thus explaining why there were no signs of great struggle).
As a final thought - I wonder if maybe the mud could have been related or not. If it was, maybe whoever did it had to lure them into a patch of vegetation, e.g. crying out for help if that was possible without attracting attention. But they could have gotten it earlier, if they at some point stopped elsewhere to ask for directions before they were last seen.