NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #1

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GoingByMyGut said:
Rose, I'm not 100% sure if you are answering my Qs or ASWDH's in your post, so forgive me if you realize this already: In ASWDH's post, above, I'm pretty sure that's a faulty/broken quote of mine from an early post (#257) -- before we were sure anyone was actively looking for SL (thus the Q about who posted the pix on Classmates). In ASWDH's post, the first 4 paragraphs are mine. Then, the part BBM is his reply. I read him as answering the questions I asked in #257. Does that make sense?
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GBMG - I had no idea - ok, thanks for clarifying classmates quotes! I do wonder about the two entries for SL, though. It is confusing.
 
To our VI's...SL was very attractive, do you know if there were any other men around that time that were interested in her? Also did she have any serious boyfriends before this one?
 
MMQC said:
At the time I was dating my soon to be husband. We were going places and looking for an apartment and found one and had been shopping for furniture etc. MOO-when was I followed by PI? Could have mistaken my actions as SL's apartment? I had to do everything on the sly as my parents did not want me to get married so young. Then as time went on, I did tell SL's mother I was getting married and my parents did not know. She showed up at Borough Hall that morning. I expect she expected to see SL. Natural assumption if she thought we were still best friends and in contact with each other. She would have been my Maid OF Honor. That morning before I left to get married I told my parents when and where. My mother then said "i never had a daughter if you go out that door" I went. SL's mother asked why my parents did not show. I told her why and she said she would speak to my mother. At least she knows weather you are alive and where your are living. Always in the back of her mind SL was still in contact with me. So, so sad.
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BBM

It appears that you were more comfortable confiding this "secret" to Sylvia's Mother than to one of your own parents (at least, until the morning of your marriage).

Putting your parents aside for a moment, what was it about Sylvia's Mother that made you understand or trust that you could confide in her...IOW, were you aware, from past experiences, that such matters might remain confidential with Sylvia's Mother?
 
epiphany said:
BBM

It appears that you were more comfortable confiding this "secret" to Sylvia's Mother than to one of your own parents (at least, until the morning of your marriage).

Putting your parents aside for a moment, what was it about Sylvia's Mother that made you understand or trust that you could confide in her...IOW, were you aware, from past experiences, that such matters might remain confidential with Sylvia's Mother?
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I guess because it was close enough to the planned date that I could tell SL's mother. I could confide in her. Also that since SL and I were friends since early youth she was like another mother but not judging like my own.
 
epiphany said:
BBM

What indoor places did Sylvia & BF/F go when they wanted to be alone or perhaps, intimate (prior to her disappearance), MMQC?

Certainly, not implying your new place...only that families appear strict, etc. and there would be a natural desire for privacy, independence and freedom on the part of you and Sylvia (and a need for secrecy): young adult females with BFs.
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Speaking for myself lovers lane type of spots. Speaking for SL? I believe the same. Lots of places on SI back then. Checked them all out with my honey over the next few days after SL gone missing.

As far as "OUR" hang outs. GK Beach and the conferenct house park. Checked them out with SL's mother next morning. We used to sit on the rocks looking out over the ocean. It calmed us down and we were able to think. Same with the Conference House park area.
 
skeet said:
To our VI's...SL was very attractive, do you know if there were any other men around that time that were interested in her? Also did she have any serious boyfriends before this one?
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She did have a few BF's but none serious. May have had "friends" at Wagner? Don't really know about that. As I have said before I was not as active on her campus as I would have liked. I worked after class.
 
MMQC said:
Speaking for myself lovers lane type of spots. Speaking for SL? I believe the same. Lots of places on SI back then. Checked them all out with my honey over the next few days after SL gone missing.

As far as "OUR" hang outs. GK Beach and the conferenct house park. Checked them out with SL's mother next morning. We used to sit on the rocks looking out over the ocean. It calmed us down and we were able to think. Same with the Conference House park area.
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MMQC, did you go out with your BF/F after dropping SL off at home the night she disappeared? And if so, would it have been typical to run into each other on your different dates -- say, at Farrell's, after a movie, as you suggested earlier? Would other friends in your group have thought it unusual that SL and her BF/F didn't appear there? Or would they at least have noticed her presence/absence?
 
MMQC – In 2010, do you think the cold case detective was just following up on contacts? Or, perhaps pursuing a line of investigation?
 
ASWDeerHunter or MMQC-would you know, or could you find out, who the private investigator was that the Lwowski family hired?
 
rosemadderlake said:
Does Sylvia have a nickname? Was she ever known as Alice?
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That's a good question, keeping all options open, if someone did walk away and start a new life, sometimes they just use their middle name. I really don't think she walked away but it's nice to know when you are looking for history on a person if that person had used their middle name sometimes. Doing my family history I found many of my relatives went by their middle name and some even went so far as to shorten the last name. Made it harder to find info on them.
 
skeet said:
That's a good question, keeping all options open, if someone did walk away and start a new life, sometimes they just use their middle name. I really don't think she walked away but it's nice to know when you are looking for history on a person if that person had used their middle name sometimes. Doing my family history I found many of my relatives went by their middle name and some even went so far as to shorten the last name. Made it harder to find info on them.
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I remember too, when searching on ancestry.com for family information for SL, that the census data showed multiple spellings of the last name for the same family of Lwowskis. That complicates things too.
 
MMQC, do you know what friends she had from campus? Any one else she was close to beside you, maybe even going someone where with you and other friends?
 
GoingByMyGut said:
MMQC, did you go out with your BF/F after dropping SL off at home the night she disappeared? And if so, would it have been typical to run into each other on your different dates -- say, at Farrell's, after a movie, as you suggested earlier? Would other friends in your group have thought it unusual that SL and her BF/F didn't appear there? Or would they at least have noticed her presence/absence?
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No I did not go out that evening. Can't remember why. Group dates did not happen. We might have all gone to the beach or to a concert or something like that. Never really double dated. My BF/F did not like SL's BF/F.
 
Jmoose said:
ASWDeerHunter or MMQC-would you know, or could you find out, who the private investigator was that the Lwowski family hired?
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I have no idea who the PI was.
 
rosemadderlake said:
MMQC – In 2010, do you think the cold case detective was just following up on contacts? Or, perhaps pursuing a line of investigation?
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I believe the cold case detective was following up on contacts given to him by SL's brother in 2010.
 
skeet said:
MMQC, do you know what friends she had from campus? Any one else she was close to beside you, maybe even going someone where with you and other friends?
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I have no rememberance of anyone. She would have been friends with other band members. I just never knew anyony of them. I'm sure I met them at the party but one night since 1975? No memory at all.
 
This is somewhat off topic and not a nice thought, but it's something that really bothers me in relation to this case.

When I grew up on Staten Island, there was so much more open space. My street, for example, was 2 blocks long, with big empty lots at each end. (It is now a busy street that intersects two major streets, from what I've heard)

I can remember probably somewhere around 1978, we (my family) were coming home from somewhere and my dad took us on a detour. He took us to this big old abandoned farm somewhere on the island (no idea where) that was owned by his great uncle. I guess the uncle passed away and had no children so the farm just sat there for I'm not sure how long, but it looked abandoned and dilapidated. I really wanted to get out of the car and go look at the house and walk around but it was getting dark and my parents wouldn't let me.

It just seems that there were so many places back then where someone could be buried.

I went back to Staten Island briefly in 1990 for my dad's funeral, and barely recognized my old neighborhood. The empty lots were now houses, condos, sidewalks and paved roads.

I just really hate to think that missing persons could be under all the construction growth that happened on Staten Island. :( I really wish Sylvia's case had been investigated more thoroughly back then.
 
Was Sylvia a member of a church or synagogue? Any pastors or rabbis she may have confided in?
 
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