GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #11

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It appears to me that only one person - Detective Jeff Locklear of the Fayetteville Police Department - is working Kelli's case.

That makes me very, very sad.
 
http://fayobserver.com/articles/2013/04/14/1247012

Two things in this article worth noting ~

1. The writer states that Kelli left the bar with NH between midnight and 12:20 a.m. Is that a fact now? Has LE confirmed this information?*

2. Mike, Kelli's husband, apparently now says that he spoke to Kelli over the phone between 5:00 and 6:00 o'clock Friday evening before Kelli went out. He called her from his dad's house in FL. There must be a record of the phone call available. Why can't he pin down the exact time he made the call? The time he stated previously has always been 3:00 p.m. in the afternoon.

I don't like when information changes especially if the new 'facts' benefit the person who is claiming them in some way.

*It helps to read the complete article! Now LE says Kelli went outside after midnight with NH but that they left the bar at 12:45 a.m. (not past 1:00 a.m. as was always believed early in the case). I give up trying to compute the facts as they've changed several times. Reading the article in completion, it sounds as if LE believes NH did it.

Don't get frustrated. The media often misquotes quotes and makes errors reporting pertinent information.
 
http://fayobserver.com/articles/2013/04/14/1247012

Two things in this article worth noting ~

1. The writer states that Kelli left the bar with NH between midnight and 12:20 a.m. Is that a fact now? Has LE confirmed this information?*

2. Mike, Kelli's husband, apparently now says that he spoke to Kelli over the phone between 5:00 and 6:00 o'clock Friday evening before Kelli went out. He called her from his dad's house in FL. There must be a record of the phone call available. Why can't he pin down the exact time he made the call? The time he stated previously has always been 3:00 p.m. in the afternoon.

I don't like when information changes especially if the new 'facts' benefit the person who is claiming them in some way.

*It helps to read the complete article! Now LE says Kelli went outside after midnight with NH but that they left the bar at 12:45 a.m. (not past 1:00 a.m. as was always believed early in the case). I give up trying to compute the facts as they've changed several times. Reading the article in completion, it sounds as if LE believes NH did it.

I would be curious to know what LE is basing the tie time of 12:45 on. Piecing it together in my own mind, I assume it is due to the text at 12:46 saying that Nick was driving her. I hate nitpicking language, but the following also stood out to me (BBM):

"A little after midnight, she made the decision to leave that bar. She left that bar, or the interior of that bar, with Nick Holbert."

Couple that with the statement:

It was about 12:45 a.m. when Holbert left to drive Kelli home, Locklear said.

That is what gives me pause for concern. Why, after leaving the interior of the bar, was it 25-45 minutes later that Nick was driving her home? What happened during that time?

I also noted from the article, they use the time she left the interior of the bar and NOT the time she was with Nick, as the last time she was seen or heard from.
 
I'm also one of those people who thinks that she did not send the first text. Without knowing what the previous texts were about, it seems kind of random. I took that text to establish that she was with Nick, as everyone in the bar knew, and alluding to something have happened for the reason for her to leave the bar, which you go with his alibi that something spooked her. Dropping her off 1/4 mile from her home makes no sense since he picked her up so she had already let him know where she lived. So it's HIS story that he dropped her off 1/4 mile away from her home and not necessarily hers.

I think NH is good for this one. I always try to keep an open mind and my options open and try not to make a judgment without any more evidence but in this one, I think he's the perp. FWIW, JMO
 
I would be curious to know what LE is basing the tie time of 12:45 on. Piecing it together in my own mind, I assume it is due to the text at 12:46 saying that Nick was driving her. I hate nitpicking language, but the following also stood out to me (BBM):



Couple that with the statement:



That is what gives me pause for concern. Why, after leaving the interior of the bar, was it 25-45 minutes later that Nick was driving her home? What happened during that time?

I also noted from the article, they use the time she left the interior of the bar and NOT the time she was with Nick, as the last time she was seen or heard from.

The new info that Kelli left the "interior of the bar" not long after midnight has me scratching my head too. The other night I was too tired to post any more thoughts.

An idea that comes to mind is that Kelli and NH went out back to smoke (I don't believe Kelli would smoke pot due to the random testing given by the Army). Early in the case, VOH confirmed that the barrels were lit Friday night (if I'm wrong about this, I'll take my lashings!). Now, does that mean that LE has determined, through interviews with the FB patrons, that the last time Kelli was observed in or around the bar was shortly after midnight? If so, we can probably conclude that someone else sent both texts. The texts sound off imo. Her trouble may have begun shortly after midnight.

Plus, if it's true that Nick picked her up at her apartment (we never pinned that down before), then dropping her off where he said he did doesn't make sense either (unless that's where he picked her up too). Where he picked her up was never part of his story. He said he figured she didn't want him to know where she lived exactly and that she seemed 'spooked'. From that, many of us thought she may have seen a familiar vehicle and didn't want to be seen in Nick's car. Yet (see below), if he used the taxi, why would she have the need to hide from anybody?

Wasn't it her old boss and friend (the one who is married) one of the people she was texting Friday night? But he said that he didn't get a text back and at some point the next day he tried to call her, text her, etc. Then, there was another character too, Justin. He was a former bf who Kelli may have picked up with again shortly before she disappeared. There was something about him having concert tickets Friday night but he had been in touch with her too. So, who received the last two texts? Both texts requested that the person call her. Did the person call her? If not early Saturday morning, sometime on Saturday and then again on Sunday? How rare is it that he couldn't reach her? Who received those texts? Why weren't they alarmed sooner when they were unable to contact her? I mean, even if she didn't type the texts, why wasn't that person trying to reach her constantly over the weekend?

The only answer I can come up with to my question above is; if the person who sent the texts, is the same person who received the texts. Does anybody else think it's strange that whoever that is, he didn't contact anybody sooner inquiring about Kelli's whereabouts? Afterall, her family and friends knew she was living alone at the time. This perplexing lack of action is what keeps me from believing 100 percent that NH is the perp. How would NH know who to text and why is it a secret who she texted at 12:-- a.m. and again at 1:-- a.m.? Who would that person be? It should be her husband but, no. ????? Mom, no. Sister, no. Girlfriend, no. Love interest, yes. Best friend, yes. (imo, not your male best friend who's married tho.) So, if the married person received the last two texts, (but I don't think he did), NH could have sent off the last two texts to the last person Kelli had texted earlier in the evening. NH might not realize how odd that would appear to others later. It might also explain why that person kept trying to reach her over the weekend though (as per the info he gave during a TV interview). What if she sent the texts to her boyfriend? What could that mean? Still, the language used in the texts is off. If I had received them, I'd be eager and then desperate to reach my friend asap on Saturday, right?

Another bit of information I can't seem to shake off, is that Kelli, a petite woman at just over 100 lbs.?, drank heavily that night. Iirc, she had four shots and four beers - is that right? SHE DIDN'T PAY HER BILL BEFORE GOING HOME. In the latest article, they state that Kelli was picked up at 8:00 p.m. If she stepped outside just after midnight, that's under four hours of drinking time, maybe only three, if she began feeling sick earlier and had already stopped. And what if someone put something in one of her drinks? She may have gotten sick or even died and a cover-up ensued (involving the owner and NH). LE took evidence from the back of that van and we've never heard anything about the results. No one can say for sure if NH used the van which is a taxi. It would make sense that the taxi was used to transport patrons at risk for DUI from the owner's bars. That would benefit the owner as he didn't want to draw attention to his "club" due to someone leaving drunk and having a wreck. It makes sense that NH would be enlisted as a driver and would make better sense as to why Kelli used him as a ride to begin with (versus meeting him once or twice at FB and then randomly asking him to pick her up - not her type imo!) The use of the van would also fit into LE's request if the public saw anything that may seem normal but mean something to them between midnight and 12:30 a.m. (A drunk woman or large package being loaded into the back of the van.) Also, this theory fits with LE's comment that they believe NH knows much more about what happened to Kelli than what he's told them.
 
Yeh, I have to wonder also why whoever got that text didn't call her when she asked them to in the first text. Did they not get the text right away?? Had they answered her back??? I would think the person who received that text would have called her as she requested. It might have made a difference in hindsight. JMO.
 
Search for Kelli Bordeaux

On April 20,and possibly Sunday if inclement weather 2013 TMC K-9 SAR Team will be coordinating a search for evidence connected to the disappearance of Kelli Bordeaux. The search is open to volunteers from the public who are interested in helping to find Private First Class Bordeaux.

A command post for the search will be set up in the parking lot of the Cape Fear Valley Health System’s Health Pavilion North located at the northwest corner of the intersection of Ramsey Street and Andrews Road. Check-in for the search will be open from 10AM to 10:45AM. Volunteers will need to show a valid photo ID and sign in/out at the command post. After check-in, search teams will be assigned to various locations around the North Fayetteville area. The search is expected to begin at 10:30AM and run until all areas are searched. After completing the search, volunteers are required to check-out at the command post.

Suggested Items to bring:
• Wear comfortable clothing, hat, and shoes. Volunteers may be walking through dense underbrush.
• Water, it is suggested to bring a bag-lunch and a backpack to carry supplies in. If you are bringing a K-9 bring water for them as well.
• Insect repellent and Sunscreen.
• A walking stick is helpful and useful in case of snakes.
• Rain gear in case of inclement weather.
TMC IS ACCEPTING BOTTLE WATER DONATIONS, sunscreen, bug spray and light snacks to give to searchers. Please drop off supplies Sat morning or call us to arrange pick up. Thank all of you!
 
Come to think of it, the fact that the owner of FB is the one who told LE that Kelli's bill was still in the unpaid pile on Saturday, sort of negates that he has full knowledge about what happened to her. If he knew she met foul play in or at his bar, why would he draw attention to her unpaid bill? Unless other witnesses knew too and they would be suspicious if he kept that fact hidden from LE. :banghead:
If NH did something to Kelli that caused her death, he may have forgotten about Kelli's unpaid bill. On the other hand, if he had the money, why wouldn't he have paid it to make it look as if everything was normal before he left to drive her home?
Logically, when you're ready to go home, you pay your bill before you walk out the door. So did Kelli walk out the door after midnight intending to go back inside the bar but never made it back inside? The unpaid bill would suggest that she did. Whatever happened to Kelli, may be the result of NH losing control of himself. After he did whatever he did, he didn't think about her unpaid bill. We believe NH didn't return to the bar until Saturday afternoon, right? By that time, other people who worked at the bar, noticed Kelli had left the night/morning before without paying her bill.
Upon seeing NH on Saturday, someone may have mentioned to him, 'Kelli didn't pay her bill last night.' NH may have replied, 'Oh, she was pretty drunk so that's probably why.' Yet, no one reported early on that Kelli seemed drunk when she left the bar.
Heck, when a theory sounds good, I keep finding reasons not to believe it, because, the next thought that enters my mind, doesn't match up with everything we've heard from the beginning.
 
Come to think of it, the fact that the owner of FB is the one who told LE that Kelli's bill was still in the unpaid pile on Saturday, sort of negates that he has full knowledge about what happened to her. If he knew she met foul play in or at his bar, why would he draw attention to her unpaid bill? Unless other witnesses knew too and they would be suspicious if he kept that fact hidden from LE. :banghead:
If NH did something to Kelli that caused her death, he may have forgotten about Kelli's unpaid bill. On the other hand, if he had the money, why wouldn't he have paid it to make it look as if everything was normal before he left to drive her home?
Logically, when you're ready to go home, you pay your bill before you walk out the door. So did Kelli walk out the door after midnight intending to go back inside the bar but never made it back inside? The unpaid bill would suggest that she did. Whatever happened to Kelli, may be the result of NH losing control of himself. After he did whatever he did, he didn't think about her unpaid bill. We believe NH didn't return to the bar until Saturday afternoon, right? By that time, other people who worked at the bar, noticed Kelli had left the night/morning before without paying her bill.
Upon seeing NH on Saturday, someone may have mentioned to him, 'Kelli didn't pay her bill last night.' NH may have replied, 'Oh, she was pretty drunk so that's probably why.' Yet, no one reported early on that Kelli seemed drunk when she left the bar.
Heck, when a theory sounds good, I keep finding reasons not to believe it, because, the next thought that enters my mind, doesn't match up with everything we've heard from the beginning.

How many drinks or how much $$ was her unpaid bill? That should indicate how many she bought at least, how drunk she may or may not have been. Husband says she doesnt really drink much.

Edit, just read post on prev page, 4 shots, 4 beers. Who's account is that? Didn't others say that she didn't appear to be drunk?

Also was the husband aware of her renewed relationship with Justin?
 
I am also really curious about the immediately preceding texts now too. What they said and when they occurred. The first released text starts off oddly as I recall. Shame on me for not going back right now and reading it again, but as I recall it starts off "Oh, well,..." as if it's a continuation of a conversation. It would seem to me to be a strange way to either start a conversation with that person or continue a conversation with that same person if the last text sent to that person had been hours before. I'm trying to think of a scenario of where I'd start off a sentence "Oh, well,..." Help me out. If the person just asked me how I'm getting home? Or if I had left yet? I suppose so. So the question nagging at me is were those kind of texts sent immediately before that first released one.
 
In a lot of the pictures I have seen, Kelli has a drink in her hand. So, 4 beers and 4 shots, even with her being small, over 4 or so hours, she probably could handle it just fine. The fact that her tab was unpaid is more of a question. Did NH tell her he would take care of it? Did they go outside and then he killed her or did something? Did someone tell her to leave, as in husband or friend? Or did a bartender just tell her take care of it next time? Did she forget her wallet? Was her wallet stolen? Her phone was never found, could it have been burned in one of those barrels after the final text was sent? Is the phone still with her? It amazes me that with all the searches, all the technology, that she hasn't been found!
 
In a lot of the pictures I have seen, Kelli has a drink in her hand. So, 4 beers and 4 shots, even with her being small, over 4 or so hours, she probably could handle it just fine. The fact that her tab was unpaid is more of a question. Did NH tell her he would take care of it? Did they go outside and then he killed her or did something? Did someone tell her to leave, as in husband or friend? Or did a bartender just tell her take care of it next time? Did she forget her wallet? Was her wallet stolen? Her phone was never found, could it have been burned in one of those barrels after the final text was sent? Is the phone still with her? It amazes me that with all the searches, all the technology, that she hasn't been found!

BBM - good point! That is a bit odd. Perhaps VOH910 would know more about this sort of thing.
 
I think every person in that bar that night needs to be looked at not just NH
 
In a lot of the pictures I have seen, Kelli has a drink in her hand. So, 4 beers and 4 shots, even with her being small, over 4 or so hours, she probably could handle it just fine. The fact that her tab was unpaid is more of a question. Did NH tell her he would take care of it? Did they go outside and then he killed her or did something? Did someone tell her to leave, as in husband or friend? Or did a bartender just tell her take care of it next time? Did she forget her wallet? Was her wallet stolen? Her phone was never found, could it have been burned in one of those barrels after the final text was sent? Is the phone still with her? It amazes me that with all the searches, all the technology, that she hasn't been found!

i dunno, i'm an average drinker but i'd be on the floor if i had four shots and four beers in four hours.
 

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