ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 6

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Suniskye I'm still new and can't figure out how to quote you from my phone.. I'll eventually get the hang of it.
This is in reference to what you wrote to me up thread. Just wanted to let you know. I completely agree with about the whole person that is using Robyn to push herself or to attach herself to further her career.. Or like you said.. An hour special. But the person I got my information from is not her. Nor CJ or any people from the case that we have publically heard from yet. And I must say, there are even more twists to this story that will come out very soon.. And even more when gg is released.

Not sure what any relationships she had prior to going to Aruba could have on the fact that she is missing and presumed dead at the hands of her travel partner who took out and tried to collect on a 1.5 million dollar accident policy. Plus it isn't looking any better for him.

If witnesses saw him beating RG that could be enough. If no one who rented a white RAV4 was at that area on that day and time it pretty much narrows it down to GG & RC. Not going to be hard to check it out for sure. It's a small country and the drivers are on record and the FBI could contact all of the Americans who were there that week and drove that type of vehicle. Like shooting ducks in a barrel. jmo
 
Brought to our attention by neesaki

EXCLUSIVE! ARUBA MURDER EYEWITNESS SHOCKING CLAIM

In a sensational breakthrough in the disappearance of ROBYN GARDNER, Aruba police have two witnesses who saw a vio*lent attack on a woman who looked like the Maryland beauty, which they believe ended in her death.

“The cops believe a local couple actually witnessed the beginning of what turned out to be Robyn’s murder,” a source close to the in*vestigation told The ENQUIRER.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/exclusive-aruba-murder-eyewitness-shocking-claim
 
Even though the rental had been turned in and cleaned up, they should still be able to find blood. Or does ale not have the forensic means to investigate like the us? Here in the us. Someone can be murdered and a year later the police can go in and find blood spatter, despite the time elapsed or cleaning that may have occurred after. I am curious... Are the arubans that far behind in technology? I sure hope not.

What makes you believe there was blood, other than her toe. And if they found any blood he could say it was from her toe. Aruba sends most of their testing to Holland. They truly are like a small county (not country) surrounded by water. Since this is very unusual for this type of crime to happen there is little use for this type of technology down there. It's not as if they are behind the times.....they just have no reason to have it. Murder is not common on the island. Think about it. You can't hunt, no guns that I ever saw. You can't steal a car, where would you go? Don't think you could even rob a bank because they would find you.

So what are their problems...drugs, same as we have here. Break in's..same as we have here. Stealing, speeding, bar fights, etc. Not anything big by our standards. What I don't understand is the criticism of Aruba when it is probably safer than any neighborhood in the US by far and yet some Americans are appauled that this happened when it would be back page news at home. jmo
 
I have been looking around and so far, only the NE article is reporting this
 
Even though the rental had been turned in and cleaned up, they should still be able to find blood. Or does ale not have the forensic means to investigate like the us? Here in the us. Someone can be murdered and a year later the police can go in and find blood spatter, despite the time elapsed or cleaning that may have occurred after. I am curious... Are the arubans that far behind in technology? I sure hope not.

Don't know if there would necessarily be much if any blood from being slapped and punched w/ fists.
 
Don't know if there would necessarily be much if any blood from being slapped and punched w/ fists.



What kind of horrible beating would be going on for the car to be rocking?
 
Where is that cemetery in relation to Seroe Colorado where LE was seen searching last month?
 
This link is to the "missing" page of the Aruban Police website.
Interesting that there are two missing persons shown, one of which is Natalee Holloway. Robyn Gardner is not shown as missing.

http://www.kparuba.com/missing.html#
 
TimeLine (approx)

July 2011
- Robyn sends GG a text "Get me out of here." Per a report. there is a fight just prior to leaving for Aruba between GG and RF.

Sunday, July 31st - Flight time from Maryland to Orlando is about 1 1/2 hours. Given the time they would have needed to be at the airport for security, my guess-timate is that they were at the airport no later than 6am.
9am – Orlando Airport: ABC News has seen receipts that revealed that the couple ordered four Bloody Marys at 9 a.m. at the Orlando Airport on their way to the island,
?? Arrive at hotel - and that the two bought a liter of Ciroq vodka after they checked into their room at the Marriott Hotel in Aruba.
Sunday, July 31, late afternoon - I met Robyn and Gary on the beach in front of the Marriott Stellaris Hotel. They had arrived on that day. My husband and I sat and spoke with them for awhile. They asked my husband and I about activities on the island.... Was shocked to see that this had happened, since we just spoke with them last Sunday, late afternoon. I am sure it was Robyn because I commented on her tattoo, indicating that I liked it. Didn't think they went together as a couple, as he was much older. She was also sitting kind of far away from him on the beach chair. She was nice. We were actually discussing the Natalee Holloway case. I will pray for her return.
Sunday, July 31st – evening/concert started at sunset - GG & RG attend party at MooMba’s/pictures at party/concert; the Balashi Beach Bash at MooMba.

Monday, August 1st - GG and RG bought bottle of vodka this day, per reports.
3:09pm – Toyota RAV-4 drives by The Rum Reef Bar & Grill – seen on video.
3:41pm – GG & RG seen walking by the ‘closed’ restaurant gates –“ walking on beach” seen on video.
5:02pm – Facebook comment: “the 16. I can communicate here.”

Tuesday. August 2nd – 2:05am - Facebook comment left on RF's wall by Robyn: "This sucks."
Tuesday, August 2nd – 6:51am - Prime murder suspect Gary Giordano, who friends said she met on a swingers sex site, is thought to have threatened to kill her while grabbing her by the neck and shoving her into an elevator on August 2 - the last day Miss Gardner, 35, was seen alive. The videotape from the Marriott Resort in Aruba allegedly shows the two having a furious and violent fight on the day she went missing. A source close to the investigation told the National Enquirer: 'They were having a major fight. Robyn was waving her arms and shouting at Giordano. He was grabbing her arms and jerking her around and shouting back at her. 'Then Giordano apparently realized their argument was heating up in public where someone might overhear them. He violently grabbed the back of Robyn's neck with one hand and shoved her back into the elevator with the other hand.' After reviewing the video multiple times, experts believe Robyn shouted: 'I'm out of here. I'm leaving FU!. I'm not spending another minute with you!' while he shouted back: 'Get back here! I'll kill you, b*****!'

Tuesday, August 2nd – 7:57am - Facebook: RF to Robyn: “?? InBox me”

3:07pm - Arrived at restaurant – Seen on camera entering restaurant.

3:10pm - Robyn sends RF a Facebook message 'Don't worry. I care about you I love you we'll talk and sort things out when I got back,' Reportedly went to bathroom after entering restaurant.

At 3:57pm, Giordano returns to their rental car outside and refills his blue cup, going back inside at 4pm Seven minutes later, Gardner heads to the bathroom again. One witness has said that at this point she seems sober but groggy.

4:13pm - Robyn is last seen (leaving restaurant). A man who works near Baby Beach reported seeing their vehicle park up by the rocks close to the water, wondered why they chose there to go snorkeling. A fisherman comes forward and says that GG and RG never went into the water. Gardner was last seen alive Aug. 2 at the Rum Reef Bar & Grill in the Baby Beach area of Aruba with Gary Giordano - approximately 4pm. Giordano, 50, and Gardner, 35, had traveled to Aruba together. He is being held in an Arubian jail but could be released today. Giordano claims that Gardner got swept out to sea when the two went snorkeling

approx. 4:22pm - Approximately 10 minutes after leaving restaurant a fisherman reportedly saw Giordano and Gardner leaving a beach together, and said they did not get into the water.

Just before 5pm on August 2nd, the couple saw a white Toyota RAV4 just like the car Giordano rented parked in the eerie Dog Graves Beach Pet cemetery; as the couple drove along the road, they saw the man beating the woman in the face. He was slapping her really hard, then punching her with his fist and beating her on the head. She was screaming; the couple stopped their car, yelled at the man and asked what the hell he was doing. When the man saw them, he started his vehicle and drove off in the opposite direction. The shocked couple drove on to nearby Baby Beach. Then they thought about what they’d seen for a few minutes and drove back to Dog Graves Beach but didn’t find any trace of the other couple or their vehicle. They noticed it because vehicles are not allowed to park in that area, where Arubans have been burying their pets for generations. In fact, the car was parked on some of the pet graves (per National Enquirer Oct 3, 2011)

6:15pm (time seen on video) - GG knocking on several back doors.

6:16pm – (video) GG walking up the stairs.

6:16pm – (video) GG walking along the bar.

6:17pm - (video) GG walking the bar area; then walking around to the back (no footage).

6:20pm - GG reportedly headed to the back kitchen of the bar and told someone to call police. Three witnesses, two women and a man, told police that Giordano approached them on Aug. 2, saying, "Can you help me? We were snorkeling and my girlfriend is missing," she told police. One woman told police that while Giordano's sneakers were wet, his shorts were not. When Giordano reported Gardner missing, he seemed extremely drunk, a local fisherman, Sergio Silva, told ABC News, although Giordano told police that the two never purchased alcohol at the restaurant.

6.23pm - 911 received notification of a possible drowning of a woman. The traveling companion of this woman, a man G.V.G. stated that they were going snorkeling behind Nanki Country Club. At 6:23 p.m. on the day of her disappearance, police were called, and 20 minutes later began to search the area. Then, Giordano left the search to return to his hotel and take a nap, according to police. Disclaimer: This claim, at 6.40 GG went for a nap, not true, there are various pics of GG helping the police in the dark, pics where it is completely dark, it takes till 7:30 for it to get dark, so GG was not taking a nap at 6:40, he still was working with the police at least at 7:30.

Wednesday, August 4th - Robin’s mother arrives.

Wednesday, August 4th – original date to fly back

Wednesday, August 4th – throughout the day per RF – RG’s gmail chat function – turned green (active), orange (idle) and gray (signed off) on Wednesday and Thursday.

Friday, August 5th - Three days after the search for Gardner began, Giordano got within feet of leaving the country before he was stopped at Aruba's airport where he told U.S. Customs he had to change flights because of weather, and told officials that his travel companion was "taking another flight." He was trying to board a flight one hour earlier than his scheduled departure. When arrested, authorities say Giordano was drenched in sweat. Mug shot after being arrested trying to get on a plane off the island.

Wednesday, August 31st – GG detained in jail for another 60 days until Oct. 30th.

Note: I have included the couples sighting at Dog Graves Beach in the timeline
 
Don't know if there would necessarily be much if any blood from being slapped and punched w/ fists.

Unless those punches hit the face. If he was punching only her body, not hitting her face, I agree that there may not be a lot of blood evidence. However, if he hit her face, I would think that there would be something. Mouths and noses bleed easily.
 
Unless those punches hit the face. If he was punching only her body, not hitting her face, I agree that there may not be a lot of blood evidence. However, if he hit her face, I would think that there would be something. Mouths and noses bleed easily.

Never been punched in the face but my babies would swing their arms around and my instinct was to turn my face away. So if he was hitting her in the car it would have to have been to the side of her face and her head. Maybe he thought he could explain away the bruises by saying it had to have been the rocks. Too bad they didn't find her body.

What was she thinking going away with this guy? jmo
 
TimeLine (approx)


5:02pm – Facebook comment: “the 16. I can communicate here.”

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The above wording is inaccurate.

One thing that I have been posting all along is that in the original message, the word communicate is spelled "communictate". Therefore, I question if the word can, should have been can't.
 
Suniskye I'm still new and can't figure out how to quote you from my phone.. I'll eventually get the hang of it.
This is in reference to what you wrote to me up thread. Just wanted to let you know. I completely agree with about the whole person that is using Robyn to push herself or to attach herself to further her career.. Or like you said.. An hour special. But the person I got my information from is not her. Nor CJ or any people from the case that we have publically heard from yet. And I must say, there are even more twists to this story that will come out very soon.. And even more when gg is released.

I do not like seeing anyone take advantage of a situation at the cost of hurting someone else.

Unless and until something is proven and said by someone in authority, I like to be an optimist with an open mind. I'm certain that RG and RF had a love/hate relationship and I am even more certain that RF has alot of regret that he will have to deal with for the rest of his life. He can never make right the claims that are being made against him, if true, with the one person that I do believe he did care about in his own strange way.

There is plenty of hurt going around for those people right now ... if a news source, a blogger or anyone else wants to add to that hurt they should at least give proof. If proof is not given, then it should be left alone until such time as it is proven.
 
Even though the rental had been turned in and cleaned up, they should still be able to find blood. Or does ale not have the forensic means to investigate like the us? Here in the us. Someone can be murdered and a year later the police can go in and find blood spatter, despite the time elapsed or cleaning that may have occurred after. I am curious... Are the arubans that far behind in technology? I sure hope not.

Yes, they are.

They should have been able to find the most minute amount of blood if they had the right forensics equipment and specialists. They do not have forensic specialists on that island. Everything is sent to Holland.
 
Yes, they are.

They should have been able to find the most minute amount of blood if they had the right forensics equipment and specialists. They do not have forensic specialists on that island. Everything is sent to Holland.

I don't know if there would have been that much blood, very possibly a small amount if you're talking about a busted lip, nose, but as Lambchop pointed out, she would have turned her face away after maybe one or two shots .
And it would have probably been on the window or door, something that could have been easily cleaned up by GG. Beyond that, we're talking head hits against a window. Probably not blood from that, but hematomas, concussion, or just the fact that she was already so intoxicated it wouldn't take much to put her out, I think Lambchop pointed that out. Anyway, that's what I'm thinking. Not that hard for GG to clean up afterwards.
 
TimeLine (approx)


5:02pm – Facebook comment: “the 16. I can communicate here.”

---------------------
The above wording is inaccurate.

One thing that I have been posting all along is that in the original message, the word communicate is spelled "communictate". Therefore, I question if the word can, should have been can't.


okay - I will correct that next time I post the Timeline, as I can't edit the last one...
 
I don't know if there would have been that much blood, very possibly a small amount if you're talking about a busted lip, nose, but as Lambchop pointed out, she would have turned her face away after maybe one or two shots .
And it would have probably been on the window or door, something that could have been easily cleaned up by GG. Beyond that, we're talking head hits against a window. Probably not blood from that, but hematomas, concussion, or just the fact that she was already so intoxicated it wouldn't take much to put her out, I think Lambchop pointed that out. Anyway, that's what I'm thinking. Not that hard for GG to clean up afterwards.

Not hard to clean up at all but easy to pick up the smallest sample with the right equipment and, if you really want to find it. The key here is what did they really want to find? I don't think they did much in the form of making an effort much less making a concerted effort. It took them a whole month before they even sent the forensics that they did have to Holland. The BOULDER Robyn cut her foot on ... that has me stymied. It was huge. It's not something any one of us would have walked into or on. It stood out like a neon light in the middle of the sand.
 
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