IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #27

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AbbeyR said:
Wouldn't this be the video that was described earlier of Lauren stumbling out of the elevator and CR helping her up and out of the building? This story was the one that challenged CR's first account that LS was helping him.
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I don't know of any account that named CR as the one who helped her up and out. This is the report I'm referring to:

“She comes stumbling out of the elevator, trips several times toward the corner of the lobby, where she comes to rest in the corner of the lobby, falls to her knees and leans against the wall for support until a male companion comes to her aid, gathers her under his arm and escorts out of the front of the building,” a source who has viewed the video tells the Journal News.

I've always wondered if one of the boys from the altercation or a Smallwood resident helped her up and out and then she and CR met up outside.
 
Jupiter812 said:
I don't know of any account that named CR as the one who helped her up and out. This is the report I'm referring to:

“She comes stumbling out of the elevator, trips several times toward the corner of the lobby, where she comes to rest in the corner of the lobby, falls to her knees and leans against the wall for support until a male companion comes to her aid, gathers her under his arm and escorts out of the front of the building,” a source who has viewed the video tells the Journal News.

I've always wondered if one of the boys from the altercation or a Smallwood resident helped her up and out and then she and CR met up outside.
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Disgusting! She could not consent to anything at this point and may have needed medical attention for a Long QT episode. Why would a decent guy take a girl home with him in this condition? Lame! And, asking for trouble.
However, despite his poor judgement, I don't think he hid her body. Maybe, he was slipped a roofie too. That would explain his memory loss.
Corey needs to talk with Rob, man to man.
 
Jupiter812 said:
I don't know of any account that named CR as the one who helped her up and out.... <snipped>
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Here's one. I thought the original article was in Lohud though. I remember it because of the discussion here last summer about the 'unnamed source'...

July 24: Video disputes claim Lauren Spierer helped a friend home

http://www.examiner.com/article/video-disputes-claim-lauren-spierer-helped-a-friend-home

An unnamed witness has come forward stating that a security camera video showing Ms. Spierer leaving the elevator of her Bloomington, IN apartment building, Smallwood Plaza, with a friend, Corey Rossman, conflicts with a statement that Rossman made to police that the 95 pound, 4 feet 11 inch woman was helping him home, after he was punched in the face during a fight, according to reports published on Friday, July 22, 2011 by WRTV 6News Indianapolis, WXIN-TV Fox59, ABC News, and other information sources.
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imkeylime said:
IMO, a lot of girls don't think that people their own age would harm them, regardless of the circumstances. And I suppose we inadvertently support that by warning them about "dirty old men," etc.
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So true.

Someone here (maybe you!) once said that because of Lauren's case, they talked to their kids to make sure they think about whether they can trust that the friends they are out with have their backs, in case they ever get into any kind of trouble. Living in a student and frat-house filled neighborhood where I see drunk girls stumbling home alone all the time, I often think of this. It's a good conversation to have.
 
AbbeyR said:
Here's one. I thought the original article was in Lohud though. I remember it because of the discussion here last summer about the 'unnamed source'...
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Yes, that is the same article I was thinking of. The quote I posted above is from the original article in the Journal News on LoHud.com. Maybe they couldn't tell for sure when viewing the video whether it was CR.
 
I just find it kind of sickening that every friend of Lauren's hasn't spent time her parents and allow them to ask them anything they want about that night, about Lauren, about any new friends she had made, anything they feel they need to know. I would hand myself over to her parents if I had been with Lauren that night and had done nothing more than the usual drinking and possibly drugging that so many do...as long I had not harmed her, I would ignore any advice not to talk to them, if it would help her parents in any way.

I do not think of people in their early 20's as kids, personally...so it is hard for me to make that excuse. I guess because I was married at this age and working full time as well as going to college, my mom was married and teaching at 21, and I felt that in every way I was an adult once I graduated from high school. I know it is very different with these pampered kids...but don't they still have feelings??

JMO
 
It's easy to sit on the outside and say anyone and everyone should do whatever the parents want to help them find their daughter while ignoring legal advice. But for one thing, why would you seek legal advice and then ignore it? Number two, there are civil and criminal penalties to consider that might have nothing to do with her disappearance but certain statements could lead to someone deciding that is the piece they need to use as a hammer to get 'more' info. But if more info doesn't exist, and you had nothing to do with her disappearance, fighting that charge or some other trumped up charge being used as leverage to get you to confess would be a terrible price to pay just because you wanted to be helpful and ignored legal advice.
 
AbbeyR said:
So true.

Someone here (maybe you!) once said that because of Lauren's case, they talked to their kids to make sure they think about whether they can trust that the friends they are out with have their backs, in case they ever get into any kind of trouble. Living in a student and frat-house filled neighborhood where I see drunk girls stumbling home alone all the time, I often think of this. It's a good conversation to have.
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Probably was ... LS definitely influences what I tell my kids. As RS recently pointed out, the "failure" to act seems significant here, on many levels. I hate to think that's a common response, but it seems likely that people you don't well have less interest in your safety.

Slightly OT, we have major police presence at our HS due to a student threatening to shoot up the school in an essay. While that's frightening, it's also frightening that many knew this student (now on house arrest) had been bullied for years. So "failure to act" was an issue there, too.

I do hate seeing girls walking alone, drunk or otherwise, so I hear you!
 
Father Of Missing Indiana College Student Calls Classmate A 'Liar And Coward'

As the one-year anniversary of their daughter's disappearance approaches, the parents of missing Indiana University student Lauren Spierer is making a personal appeal for help.

"We need compassion, we need caring, we need humanity," Spierer's father, Robert Spierer, told The Journal News. "We just need a shred of feeling to help us find our daughter and get closure."

Robert Spierer said he is frustrated with answering the same question over and over again. Instead, he made it clear he has reached a conclusion about Corey Rossman, a fellow college student at the university who was the last person to see Lauren Spierer.

"I think he's a liar and a coward," Robert Spierer told The Journal News.
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Snipped: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/lauren-spierer-missing_n_1452865.html
(video at link)
 
cluciano63 said:
I just find it kind of sickening that every friend of Lauren's hasn't spent time her parents and allow them to ask them anything they want about that night, about Lauren, about any new friends she had made, anything they feel they need to know. I would hand myself over to her parents if I had been with Lauren that night and had done nothing more than the usual drinking and possibly drugging that so many do...as long I had not harmed her, I would ignore any advice not to talk to them, if it would help her parents in any way.

I do not think of people in their early 20's as kids, personally...so it is hard for me to make that excuse. I guess because I was married at this age and working full time as well as going to college, my mom was married and teaching at 21, and I felt that in every way I was an adult once I graduated from high school. I know it is very different with these pampered kids...but don't they still have feelings??

JMO
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It's too bad there is no such thing as offering immunity to civil litigation...
Perhaps if both criminal immunity and civil suit immunity could be offered, someone would speak!
 
I don't believe Lauren knowingly or willfully took any drugs that caused her to disappear. She did not kill herself. The person who did this is a sociopath.
We will find this girl and I believe the location will betray the identity of the creep who committed the crime.
 
I hope these "kids" who won't sit down with Lauren's parents never need help from their children's friends some day...or maybe I hope they do, so they will understand what pain they contributed to the Spierers. JMO
 
Hi again everyone, thanks for the warm welcome! It seems like the Spierer's are pretty sure that these guys are the culprits, I wonder if they have new information or are just tired of being diplomatic after LS's friends have been so unresponsive for so long. I was surprised to hear that they did not feel satisfied by JR's statement, this makes me feel like somehow JR, MB and CR all had some hand in this. One of the first times a reporter questioned CR he made the comment "I wasn't the last one to see her" and that is when the public found out about JR. That has always made me feel they weren't in it together, but now I'm thinking about why he would have said that and about possible scenarios that involve them all, any thoughts on that?
 
His atty said he wasn't the last to see her. Did CR ever publicly say that?
 
MonroeRes said:
Hi again everyone, thanks for the warm welcome! It seems like the Spierer's are pretty sure that these guys are the culprits, I wonder if they have new information or are just tired of being diplomatic after LS's friends have been so unresponsive for so long. I was surprised to hear that they did not feel satisfied by JR's statement, this makes me feel like somehow JR, MB and CR all had some hand in this. One of the first times a reporter questioned CR he made the comment "I wasn't the last one to see her" and that is when the public found out about JR. That has always made me feel they weren't in it together, but now I'm thinking about why he would have said that and about possible scenarios that involve them all, any thoughts on that?
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Excellent point. I remember that. He was leaving the police station after giving dna and wearing a purple shirt. It makes a lot of sense that they could be in this together by, for example being culpable of slipping roofie or providing coke and not calling 911. One could have obtained, one administered, etc.
 
Here is CR on tv news. His statement is at the very beginning. The part where he says it is partially cut. Also, it sounds like he says, "I didn't saw anything. I'm sorry." Eek. Yeah, he was probably nervous being approached on-camera by a reporter, but still..."saw?"

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mW_ySvDPnw"]Search for Spierer: Police collect DNA - YouTube[/ame]
 
Jupiter812 said:
Here is CR on tv news. His statement is at the very beginning. The part where he says it is partially cut. Also, it sounds like he says, "I didn't saw anything. I'm sorry." Eek. Yeah, he was probably nervous being approached on-camera by a reporter, but still..."saw?"

Search for Spierer: Police collect DNA - YouTube
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It's hard to understand because he's cut off, but I heard [I wasn't?] "..the last person with her. This is all I can say, I'm sorry"
 
Her parents are very inspirational to me. They are probably stronger than they even know and I hope that wherever Lauren is she feels their love right now. It is absolutely tragic to me that she most likely died that night and now if they do get her back she wouldn't even be recognizable as Lauren. I am sorry that is a bit graphic.

I feel like multiple people failed Lauren that night even if they didn't outright murder her. I wonder if they do regret not protecting her. Or, if they grow older how they will feel sending their own daughters off to college and if they hope the boys/men that surround those daughters will do better than they did.

It doesn't seen like her parents will ever move on or get over it or anything. I wonder if that will eventually crack the case. Some cases seem to slip through the cracks, but I doubt that will ever happen with Lauren.
 
Darcyline said:
Her parents are very inspirational to me. They are probably stronger than they even know and I hope that wherever Lauren is she feels their love right now. It is absolutely tragic to me that she most likely died that night and now if they do get her back she wouldn't even be recognizable as Lauren. I am sorry that is a bit graphic.

I feel like multiple people failed Lauren that night even if they didn't outright murder her. I wonder if they do regret not protecting her. Or, if they grow older how they will feel sending their own daughters off to college and if they hope the boys/men that surround those daughters will do better than they did.

It doesn't seen like her parents will ever move on or get over it or anything. I wonder if that will eventually crack the case. Some cases seem to slip through the cracks, but I doubt that will ever happen with Lauren.
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I pray we're not sitting here when I'm old and gray discussing this case (though you're all good company!). But ... I do believe the Spierers have staying power, as they should.

I've only been invested in one case before (Oakland County Child Killer), and it's taught me that grieving parents who lack closure can be relentless. In that case, a mother just filed a $100M lawsuit against the county I grew up in. A father once paid $11,000 to have records photocopied. Having followed the case for all of my adult life, I understand why. (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/04...ounty-child-killer-victim-files-100m-lawsuit/)

Perhaps as the POIs age one or more will regret their silence and make things right. Hopefully sooner versus later.
 
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