Victim: Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, missing July 2007, found Gilgo Beach Dec 2010 *POI Rex Heuermann*

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I know this is a long post, but please carefully review the following information. I think you'll find some insights here, as I did.

Mountain_Kat, I think the antithesis is true. The killer was getting more comfortable, bold and confident, not more cautious. This is the case with many serial killers, and is usually why they eventually get caught. This is the premise of my analysis below, which is based on geographic profiling techniques.

Under the theory that he was getting bolder rather than more cautions, he would be operating closer and closer to home. Megan was advertising from Happague, so that would indicate that he lives on Long Island. By extension, Amber Costello would indicate that he lives in West Babylon, or very close to it.

We might start by saying that his first clumsy murders (under a single killer theory) were Jessica and Jane Doe#6, where he physically went into Manhattan by car. These two murders don't factor into my geographic profile below, so please keep reading even if you don't subscribe to the single killer theory).

For the GB4, his first M.O. was apparently to lure them from Manhattan to a location relatively close to home in order to confound police through multi-jurisdictional investigations. He was only able to lure them out so far through the promise of lots of money for an overnight. He found that was effective. We see him use the same technique with Amber.

In choosing his rendezvous destination with Maureen, Melissa and Megan, he needed to arrange to meet them somewhere relatively close to home. He would choose a hotel that they would be familiar with (Budget Inn, advertised as a short stay on UtopiaGuide). His predominant security precaution would be that he'd need to avoid security or other cameras en-route to pick them up from the Budget Inn, and obviously then back to his "kill" site - most likely his house.

By having a rendezvous location, he could also scout their arrival to ensure he never ran into a pimp or other witness. This whole process is where he gets off - its the thrill of the hunt, so to speak. This is his hunting ground. The serial killer can almost certainly be physically placed at the Budget Inn, since Melissa's last call was traced there.

We also know for a fact that the serial killer picked Amber up in his car on America Ave in West Babylon. Anyone familiar with Long Island would know that the parkways have security cameras along the entire route, so anyone with a need to avoid those security cameras would need to take back roads. The main east/west "back roads" on the south shore are Montauk Hwy and Sunrise. He'd want to avoid these particular roads because there are cameras in play, from shops to banks to red light cameras, etc.

We also know with about a 99.9% certainty that the serial killer took the Robert Moses Parkway, since that's the only way to get to Gilgo/Cedar Beach. The only other options to get to Gilgo/Cedar are the Wantagh and Meadowbrook, both in Nassau County. Their distance from where Amber was abducted rules them out.

So if the SK went to Massapequa to meet up with Maureen/Megan/Melissa at the Budget Inn, he would most likely live somewhere between the southernmost entrance to Robert Moses in West Bayshore and Carman Mill Rd. in Massapequa (the Budget Inn). He would have pre-determined his driving route that optimized his ability to avoid security cameras. This route would take him:

- From his home to Carman Ave. (the Budget Inn, where he likely used as a rendevous location for Melissa, Maureen & Megan)
- From Carman Mill Rd. to his kill site - his home
- From his "kill" site (home) to the southernmost entrance to Robert Moses (intersection of Montauk Hwy. and Robert Moses in West Bayshore)

With Amber, we see him becoming more bold. Here's an escort operating in HIS operating zone. This is his "comfort" zone, and its too much to resist. He knows like the back of his hand the driving route that gets him from his kill site (home) to Amber's house and then to his dump site, optimized for avoiding security cameras. This route takes him:

- From his home to America Ave. in West Babylon
- From America Ave. back to his "kill" site (home)
- From kill site to southernmost entrance to Robert Moses (West Bayshore), and down to Gilgo/Cedar


Robert Moses doesn't have cameras that I'm aware of, possibly with the exception of the drawbridge which wouldn't be as worrisome since they're probably pointing at the water. He wouldn't have entered the Robert Moses ay farther north because there would have to use Sunrise Hwy or Southern State Parkway, which would have way too many traffic cameras. Based on the above reasoning, he almost certainly had to use the entrance to Robert Moses from Montauk Highway in West Bayshore.

Again, his east/west route to avoid cameras would need to avoid:
1) Montauk Hwy.
2) Sunrise Hwy.
3) Southern State Pkwy
4) LIE


These are the streets (in blue) that he likely used in the commission of his crimes.

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Based on the above analysis, let's geoprofile this serial killer based only on his "known" or "highly likely" locations. To maximize our precision, we'll exclude outliers (such as Times Sq., Port Authority, Gilgo/Cedar, Manorville).

Let's plot the locations that we can reasonably assume that the serial killer can be physically placed.

A) Carman Mill Rd. (Budget Inn)
B) Amber's house on America Ave.
C) Montauk Hwy. Entrance to the Robert Moses (avoids 1-4 above)

Here's how we'll geographically profile and identify the killer:

Problem: assume you have three points, A, B and C, located some distance from each other:

Your task: is to find out point X, which is the point that is equally as distant from all three points. How do you go about this?

Solution: it's not that difficult. first of all, make it a triangle:

Next step is to draw a line from each corner of the triangle to the middle of the opposite side:

the intersection is point X.

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Let A = Serial Killer's Rendevous Location with Victims
Let B = Amber's Pickup Spot
Let C = Entrance to Robert Moses Parkway

Let X = Kill spot (most likely Serial Killer's home)


Here we go:

Triangle showing the three "known" locations of the serial killer.

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The "Kill" Spot - this is where the GB4 were killed (the "kill" location) - Point X - in YELLOW.

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Enlarged image of the "Kill" location

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Street view of the "Kill" location.

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As I expected, it turns out my person of interest (POI) who has NOT been mentioned in MSM lives exactly 1 block from Point X (the "Kill" location) identified above. This person also:

- appears in a photograph taken in 2003 in Manorville (50 miles away) at a shooting range within a few hundred yards from where victims Jessica Taylor and Jane Doe#6 were found (other remains from these 2 victims were also found with the GB4 at Gilgo/Cedar Beach)
- annually (and actively, since 2000) attends an event at Cedar Beach (duck hunting related), exactly where the GB4, Jessica and Jane Doe#6 were found
- appears in a duck hunting photograph with a large camouflage burlap tarp (which is used as camouflage in his duck hunting sport)




If you think my method is B.S., check out "Geographic Profiling":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_profiling



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Sorry but I do not buy it.

If he brought the girls back to his home, he would have been caught by now. Neighbors see everything. They have cameras too. No way a home in West Babylon was the kill site.

I assume you've been to West Babylon in the neighborhood where you've crossed as being most likely his home. If so, then surely you are aware how congested the neighborhood is and how the homes there lack privacy (most houses there have neighbors viewing them all four sides with properties that are rarely more than 100 feet wide).

Residents in that neighborhood know every move their neighbors make. They are aware of the smallest little details.

Trust me, someone would have noticed if a resident there arrived home with struggling women who never left his house alive.
 
I know this is a long post, but please carefully review the following information. I think you'll find some insights here, as I did.

Mountain_Kat, I think the antithesis is true. The killer was getting more comfortable, bold and confident, not more cautious. This is the case with many serial killers, and is usually why they eventually get caught. This is the premise of my analysis below, which is based on geographic profiling techniques.

Under the theory that he was getting bolder rather than more cautions, he would be operating closer and closer to home. Megan was advertising from Happague, so that would indicate that he lives on Long Island. By extension, Amber Costello would indicate that he lives in West Babylon, or very close to it.

We might start by saying that his first clumsy murders (under a single killer theory) were Jessica and Jane Doe#6, where he physically went into Manhattan by car. These two murders don't factor into my geographic profile below, so please keep reading even if you don't subscribe to the single killer theory).

For the GB4, his first M.O. was apparently to lure them from Manhattan to a location relatively close to home in order to confound police through multi-jurisdictional investigations. He was only able to lure them out so far through the promise of lots of money for an overnight. He found that was effective. We see him use the same technique with Amber.

In choosing his rendezvous destination with Maureen, Melissa and Megan, he needed to arrange to meet them somewhere relatively close to home. He would choose a hotel that they would be familiar with (Budget Inn, advertised as a short stay on UtopiaGuide). His predominant security precaution would be that he'd need to avoid security or other cameras en-route to pick them up from the Budget Inn, and obviously then back to his "kill" site - most likely his house.

By having a rendezvous location, he could also scout their arrival to ensure he never ran into a pimp or other witness. This whole process is where he gets off - its the thrill of the hunt, so to speak. This is his hunting ground. The serial killer can almost certainly be physically placed at the Budget Inn, since Melissa's last call was traced there.

We also know for a fact that the serial killer picked Amber up in his car on America Ave in West Babylon. Anyone familiar with Long Island would know that the parkways have security cameras along the entire route, so anyone with a need to avoid those security cameras would need to take back roads. The main east/west "back roads" on the south shore are Montauk Hwy and Sunrise. He'd want to avoid these particular roads because there are cameras in play, from shops to banks to red light cameras, etc.

We also know with about a 99.9% certainty that the serial killer took the Robert Moses Parkway, since that's the only way to get to Gilgo/Cedar Beach. The only other options to get to Gilgo/Cedar are the Wantagh and Meadowbrook, both in Nassau County. Their distance from where Amber was abducted rules them out.

So if the SK went to Massapequa to meet up with Maureen/Megan/Melissa at the Budget Inn, he would most likely live somewhere between the southernmost entrance to Robert Moses in West Bayshore and Carman Mill Rd. in Massapequa (the Budget Inn). He would have pre-determined his driving route that optimized his ability to avoid security cameras. This route would take him:

- From his home to Carman Ave. (the Budget Inn, where he likely used as a rendevous location for Melissa, Maureen & Megan)
- From Carman Mill Rd. to his kill site - his home
- From his "kill" site (home) to the southernmost entrance to Robert Moses (intersection of Montauk Hwy. and Robert Moses in West Bayshore)

With Amber, we see him becoming more bold. Here's an escort operating in HIS operating zone. This is his "comfort" zone, and its too much to resist. He knows like the back of his hand the driving route that gets him from his kill site (home) to Amber's house and then to his dump site, optimized for avoiding security cameras. This route takes him:

- From his home to America Ave. in West Babylon
- From America Ave. back to his "kill" site (home)
- From kill site to southernmost entrance to Robert Moses (West Bayshore), and down to Gilgo/Cedar


Robert Moses doesn't have cameras that I'm aware of, possibly with the exception of the drawbridge which wouldn't be as worrisome since they're probably pointing at the water. He wouldn't have entered the Robert Moses ay farther north because there would have to use Sunrise Hwy or Southern State Parkway, which would have way too many traffic cameras. Based on the above reasoning, he almost certainly had to use the entrance to Robert Moses from Montauk Highway in West Bayshore.

Again, his east/west route to avoid cameras would need to avoid:
1) Montauk Hwy.
2) Sunrise Hwy.
3) Southern State Pkwy
4) LIE


These are the streets (in blue) that he likely used in the commission of his crimes.

scaled.php



Based on the above analysis, let's geoprofile this serial killer based only on his "known" or "highly likely" locations. To maximize our precision, we'll exclude outliers (such as Times Sq., Port Authority, Gilgo/Cedar, Manorville).

Let's plot the locations that we can reasonably assume that the serial killer can be physically placed.

A) Carman Mill Rd. (Budget Inn)
B) Amber's house on America Ave.
C) Montauk Hwy. Entrance to the Robert Moses (avoids 1-4 above)

Here's how we'll geographically profile and identify the killer:

Problem: assume you have three points, A, B and C, located some distance from each other:

Your task: is to find out point X, which is the point that is equally as distant from all three points. How do you go about this?

Solution: it's not that difficult. first of all, make it a triangle:

Next step is to draw a line from each corner of the triangle to the middle of the opposite side:

the intersection is point X.

________________________________________

Let A = Serial Killer's Rendevous Location with Victims
Let B = Amber's Pickup Spot
Let C = Entrance to Robert Moses Parkway

Let X = Kill spot (most likely Serial Killer's home)


Here we go:

Triangle showing the three "known" locations of the serial killer.

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The "Kill" Spot - this is where the GB4 were killed (the "kill" location) - Point X - in YELLOW.

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Enlarged image of the "Kill" location

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Street view of the "Kill" location.

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As I expected, it turns out my person of interest (POI) who has NOT been mentioned in MSM lives exactly 1 block from Point X (the "Kill" location) identified above. This person also:

- appears in a photograph taken in 2003 in Manorville (50 miles away) at a shooting range within a few hundred yards from where victims Jessica Taylor and Jane Doe#6 were found (other remains from these 2 victims were also found with the GB4 at Gilgo/Cedar Beach)
- annually (and actively, since 2000) attends an event at Cedar Beach (duck hunting related), exactly where the GB4, Jessica and Jane Doe#6 were found
- appears in a duck hunting photograph with a large camouflage burlap tarp (which is used as camouflage in his duck hunting sport)




If you think my method is B.S., check out "Geographic Profiling":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_profiling



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Fantastic. I love the math, finally something I can understand. Very close to my home. Maybe I should keep that pre ban 30 round mag in my ak47.

This is what bothers me the most. I know this guy lives near me (bayshore, west islip, babylon, amityville, copiague). My girlfriend is at my house all day by herself. She was taught how to use my 12 gauge as soon as this thing started. He has to be local or former local.
 
Sorry but I do not buy it.

If he brought the girls back to his home, he would have been caught by now. Neighbors see everything. They have cameras too. No way a home in West Babylon was the kill site.

I assume you've been to West Babylon in the neighborhood where you've crossed as being most likely his home. If so, then surely you are aware how congested the neighborhood is and how the homes their lack privacy (most houses there have neighbors viewing them all four sides with properties that are rarely more than 100 feet wide).

So? Bring someone in under the cover of darkness, load her in your trunk in your garage. By that time everyone is sleeping. To them its just a single guy bringning a girl home. Any cameras in that area are probably on 3 week loop tops anyway. Most people lviging on the south shore didnt know anything till they discovored the first body anyway.
 
Trust me, someone would have noticed if a resident there arrived home with struggling women who never left his house alive.
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I sure wouldn't rule it out Seaslug ... In the Magnotta case, not one person in the apartment building saw or heard anything unusual when Lin Jun was killed.

Maybe the girls went to his place willingly, he slips her a roofie, and nobody's any the wiser.

JMO
 
Great post, Inpector! We may not agree on a POI, but we do agree on many points. Whether or not our guy moved closer to home due to fear or confidence, I think we can both agree that he did in fact move closer to home.
 
Inspector, is there a reason that we couldn't use the dump site at Gilgo as Point C?
 
So if the SK went to Massapequa to meet up with Maureen/Megan/Melissa at the Budget Inn, he would most likely live somewhere between the southernmost entrance to Robert Moses in West Bayshore and Carman Mill Rd. in Massapequa (the Budget Inn).



I thought that JA lived in Manorville?:what:
 
Inspector, is there a reason that we couldn't use the dump site at Gilgo as Point C?

Great question. Not a short answer, I'm afraid.

I'm somewhat familiar with the concepts of outliers, accuracy and precision, and extrapolation as they relate to mathematics and statistics.

Check out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlier
http://asq.org/quality-progress/2010/02/statistics-roundtable/outlier-options.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_and_precision
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrapolation

I chose not to include Cedar Beach/Port Authority/Penn Station - all places where we know the serial killer was.

Why? Because they are all "outliers" and will skew the data, losing both accuracy and precision for the model. It's true that they are in the data set, in fact probably represent the "mode" of the dataset because you can count multiple calls from NYC and multiple bodies at Gilgo/Cedar Beach. But we need to elimiate them so they don't corrupt the limited amount of "good" data that we have.

Here's high accuracy, low precision:

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Here's high precision, low accuracy:

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I'm trying to construct a model that is both accurate and precise.

Cedar Beach needed to be removed as a data point in my model because it's across a bay. Imagine a large city nowhere near any major body of water. If you had a serial killer dumping bodies all over the place, you could reasonably include most of the dump sites, possibly with the exception of any that were at the periphery of the population density or completely outside of the major population center, such as in a rural area. The important element for keeping the model useful is to have a relatively homogenous population density across your target area.

But in our case, we don't have that. Population density on Long Island goes from extremely high to almost zero once you hop on the Robert Moses Parkway. Nobody lives on the bay. Anything further south of Montauk Highway would skew the data, and any attempt at using geographic profiling would be severely frustrated.

The same is true for Manorville and NYC. So I eliminated them from my dataset to prevent corruption.

In selecting my data points, I was seeking high accuracy and high precision by trying to identify and select only specific locations that I knew, almost for certain, to be highly correlated to the serial killer's specific operational zone, and still on our imaginary "homogeneous population density" map.

My choice of the entrance to Robert Moses is really my biggest concern (Point C), so let me explain my reasoning for "supplementing" the existing data by incorporating it.

In short, I used Point A and Point B, and I extrapolated Point C. I decided to extrapolate this location based on my understanding of Long Island gained from having lived there. I believe Point C be a reasonable data point to use for several reasons:

1) it avoids cameras, presumably a predominant concern of a cautious and organized serial killer. You might call this a "logical extrapolation".

2) it is the only logical "gateway" to get to Cedar Beach from Suffolk. The Budget Inn, Amber and Cedar Beach itself all indicate that the SK came from Suffolk County. You might call this a "linear extrapolation".

3) this parkway entrance would, for the serial killer, represent something. When I lived on the south shore of Long Island, I would get on the parkway at Merrick Road and head down to the beach. Once you're on the parkway, it's like a breath of fresh air. You're out in nature. There's no more hustle and bustle. For the serial killer, all he had to do was get to this parkway entrance without getting caught, and he'd be home free. There were never state troopers on the Wantagh and Meadowbrook south of Merrick Road, and I assume the same is true for the Robert Moses south of Montauk Hwy. This was a major "waypoint" or "gateway" for him, and I decided to use it in my model based (in some part) on my personal experience. You might call this a "subjective extrapolation" (I guess you could also say I pulled it out of my *advertiser censored**).

In short, I used some basic techniques to clean "messy" data. I eliminated outliers and extrapolated a single data point. Even though we're dealing with a very limited data set, I still believe the model is useful because I believe the data is good.
 
2) it is the only logical "gateway" to get to Cedar Beach from Suffolk.

I think the only logical gateway to get to Cedar Beach from Suffolk is where Montauk Highway meets Robert Moses Causeway (which is in West Islip). I find the idea that the "point" needs to be moved north because there's a lot of camera activity on Montauk Highway unconvincing. I wonder if you'd have used the same data points if you didn't know the address of your POI prior to starting the exercise, and if it's realistic to trust one's own objectivity when you know the desired result before you get started.
 
1) it avoids cameras, presumably a predominant concern of a cautious and organized serial killer. You might call this a "logical extrapolation".

inspctrgadget your analyses are really cool and show the effort you have been putting on this.

My opinion, this killer leaving no trace in terms of surveillance cameras and cell phones is I-M-P-O-S-S-I-B-L-E.

Judging by your posts I'm sure you have been reading on how less we know about actual capabilities of tech gimmicks.

Let me give an example from a NATO country. This country is struggling with terrorist raids. They have a special command for Signal Intelligence. At that command center all the voices of top warlords are mapped, the radio activity on the field is constantly monitored and sent to the command center. There, the voices are analysed and the movements of groups led by above referred warlords are tracked in addition to other capabilities. This country is not USA.

I really can not imagine what US agencies are holding.

On a similar issue regarding burlaps Preciousdust justly asked a question like "Do you think LE is not capable of doing basic police work".

The calls to sis Amanda is enough for undoing of the killer. Unfo, to me it is now all clear that killer's calls are not recorded. So, what is basic police work? (Think of the gravity of the situation a missing girl's family gets calls from a person claiming to detain the missing girl)

Btw, if you are a believer of conspiracy theories (I am) the calls are recorded.

No progress in almost two years is frustrating but I'm not saying LE is covering up an SK. This breaks down all my logic, so that is I-M-P-O-S-S-I-B-L-E as well. But I sure doubt about a cold feet to solve the case.

I personally believe Shannan's 911 call is a stressful burden for LE and Shannan's case can be and should be unwound to get a progress on LISK. Currently, sitting on the 911 audio, LE is not upholding the law but hiding behind it JMO.

One final thing to all, I'm still confused about the day of the Maureen's encounter with the killer. Can somebody make it a fact whether it is a Sunday or a Monday. Before posting a link please read the coverage carefully, there are a lot of incosistent reporting out there.
 
I think the only logical gateway to get to Cedar Beach from Suffolk is where Montauk Highway meets Robert Moses Causeway (which is in West Islip). I find the idea that the "point" needs to be moved north because there's a lot of camera activity on Montauk Highway unconvincing. I wonder if you'd have used the same data points if you didn't know the address of your POI prior to starting the exercise, and if it's realistic to trust one's own objectivity when you know the desired result before you get started.

My "Point C" was the intersection of Montauk Hwy and Robert Moses Parkway. I thought that was Bayshore, not West Islip. My bad.

As far as your second assertion (my objectivity), you have a valid point. Would I have chosen these points? Probably not, since I probably never would have bothered to construct the model to begin with. But my 3 points are defensible. And fairly objective.

The fact is that I was actually surprised to see that Point X matched so closely. Also remember that I used MS Paint and kind of eyeballed the diagram as best I could. Its not like I used AutoCAD, so it's definitely not "pinpoint" accurate. Even I don't believe that. To me, its informative.

Its not like geographic profiling can get you to zero in on the house and send in the swat team. Its useful if you've got a number of suspects, and you're trying to narrow it down to a few.
 
The calls to sis Amanda is enough for undoing of the killer. Unfo, to me it is now all clear that killer's calls are not recorded. So, what is basic police work? (Think of the gravity of the situation a missing girl's family gets calls from a person claiming to detain the missing girl)
Btw, if you are a believer of conspiracy theories (I am) the call is recorded.

I agree. I don't believe the calls are recorded. "we have nothing" sounds to me like the calls and their content are hearsay and not evidence, hence not recorded. If they had those calls it would be "we have a little something"....
 
I thought that XX lived in Manorville?:what:

Different POI. Shares all the same meaningful characteristics. Duck hunter. Pictured with burlap. Pictured in Manorville in early 2000s. Confirmed at Gilgo Beach in 2000. He was one of only two that I originally identified. I focused too much on XX due to his background.
 
inspctrgadget your analyses are really cool and show the effort you have been putting on this.

My opinion, this killer leaving no trace in terms of surveillance cameras and cell phones is I-M-P-O-S-S-I-B-L-E.

Judging by your posts I'm sure you have been reading on how less we know about actual capabilities of tech gimmicks.

Let me give an example from a NATO country. This country is struggling with terrorist raids. They have a special command for Signal Intelligence. At that command center all the voices of top warlords are mapped, the radio activity on the field is constantly monitored and sent to the command center. There, the voices are analysed and the movements of groups led by above referred warlords are tracked in addition to other capabilities. This country is not USA.

I really can not imagine what US agencies are holding.

On a similar issue regarding burlaps Preciousdust justly asked a question like "Do you think LE is not capable of doing basic police work".

The calls to sis Amanda is enough for undoing of the killer. Unfo, to me it is now all clear that killer's calls are not recorded. So, what is basic police work? (Think of the gravity of the situation a missing girl's family gets calls from a person claiming to detain the missing girl)

Btw, if you are a believer of conspiracy theories (I am) the calls are recorded.

No progress in almost two years is frustrating but I'm not saying LE is covering up an SK. This breaks down all my logic, so that is I-M-P-O-S-S-I-B-L-E as well. But I sure doubt about a cold feet to solve the case.

I personally believe Shannan's 911 call is a stressful burden for LE and Shannan's case can be and should be unwound to get a progress on LISK. Currently, sitting on the 911 audio, LE is not upholding the law but hiding behind it JMO.

One final thing to all, I'm still confused about the day of the Maureen's encounter with the killer. Can somebody make it a fact whether it is a Sunday or a Monday. Before posting a link please read the coverage carefully, there are a lot of incosistent reporting out there.

Concerning wheter the SK's phonecalls to Melissa Barthelemy's little sister was recorded or not, here is a copy of a post I have previously posted here on WS:


The day of the killers third call , July 23, 2009, police requested a tap on the phone.
So at the next call, date not known, the date of next 3 calls have not been published, police tapped the calls, which means the last 4 calls were tapped, including the last call beeing Aug 26, 2009.


http://missingpersonsnetwork.org/20...bert-victim-of-the-long-island-serial-killer/


"Approximately a week after Melissa’s disappearance, Amanda, Melissa’s 15-year-old sister received a call from Melissa’s cell phone. Relieved and excited, expecting to hear her sister’s voice, Amanda found herself speaking to a man who authorities believe was Melissa’s killer. During the call, the man said sexually explicit things to the child and began describing horrific things he was going to do to her. It wasn’t until the third phone call police finally requested a tap on the phone. On August 26, 2009 the male caller made his last call to Amanda and reportedly admitted to killing Melissa. He also warned Amanda he knew where she lived and would come and kill her too."


The info is in a post I posted on page 6, on this thread post #132:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134782&page=6


FYI, the phone calls to MB's sister started July 16, 2009 and ended Aug 26, 2009 with the caller saying he killed Melissa.
The calls ended after a Buffalo TV station revealed their existence.
So the timespan of the calls where 5 weeks and 3 days.


2009 calls made by the killer from MB cell phone,
(7 all together. The dates of phonecalls number 4,5, and 6 has not been made public ):

1. July 16,

2. July 19

3. July 23

4. ?

5. ?

6. ?

7. Aug 26
 
Concerning wheter the SK's phonecalls to Melissa Barthelemy's little sister was recorded or not, here is a copy of a post I have previously posted here on WS:


The day of the killers third call , July 23, 2009, police requested a tap on the phone.
So at the next call, date not known, the date of next 3 calls have not been published, police tapped the calls, which means the last 4 calls were tapped, including the last call beeing Aug 26, 2009.


http://missingpersonsnetwork.org/20...bert-victim-of-the-long-island-serial-killer/


"Approximately a week after Melissa’s disappearance, Amanda, Melissa’s 15-year-old sister received a call from Melissa’s cell phone. Relieved and excited, expecting to hear her sister’s voice, Amanda found herself speaking to a man who authorities believe was Melissa’s killer. During the call, the man said sexually explicit things to the child and began describing horrific things he was going to do to her. It wasn’t until the third phone call police finally requested a tap on the phone. On August 26, 2009 the male caller made his last call to Amanda and reportedly admitted to killing Melissa. He also warned Amanda he knew where she lived and would come and kill her too."


The info is in a post I posted on page 6, on this thread post #132:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134782&page=6


FYI, the phone calls to MB's sister started July 16, 2009 and ended Aug 26, 2009 with the caller saying he killed Melissa.
The calls ended after a Buffalo TV station revealed their existence.
So the timespan of the calls where 5 weeks and 3 days.


2009 calls made by the killer from MB cell phone,
(7 all together. The dates of phonecalls number 4,5, and 6 has not been made public ):

1. July 16,

2. July 19

3. July 23

4. ?

5. ?

6. ?

7. Aug 26

Sundays and Thursdays. :waitasec:
 
Concerning wheter the SK's phonecalls to Melissa Barthelemy's little sister was recorded or not, here is a copy of a post I have previously posted here on WS:


The day of the killers third call , July 23, 2009, police requested a tap on the phone.
So at the next call, date not known, the date of next 3 calls have not been published, police tapped the calls, which means the last 4 calls were tapped, including the last call beeing Aug 26, 2009.


So what is it, LE has his voice recorded and thinks that it's not hard evidence, LE isn't being honest about the calls and they are recorded, or they arent being honest and they arent recorded? Something isn't adding up.
 
Inspector, I had a friend check out that pinpointed area on your map that you are thinking would be the possible home neighborhood of the SK and his kill site and my friend said that the area along Henry Street, Cord avenue, Bahamas street, etc... Is the spookiest little hidden industrial park around!!

There is only one road in and out (Henry Street) and the place was completely void of people once the sun went down. Many of the buildings looked like they contained work shops as described by Peter and others. My friend tied to park and snoop around on foot but there were some very unfriendly guard dogs roaming around wild on the streets.

This area you have pinpointed SCREAMS psycho serial killer. One of the buildings had a light on and a van with no windows parked outside. Somebody creepy must have been inside doing God-knows-what.

So sick.
 

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