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mrseeker,
did Mommy have a sexual motive?
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Maybe? or she was trying to stage a sexual component or hide a sexual component with a fake one. Maybe she has hang ups or strange sexual practices. It is not unheard of. I mean she did let her little girl dress like an adult and mimic adult behavior when she was in pageants. I know some say it was all for fun. Maybe so. It is still something that has to be introduced by a parent. I do think Patsy was a very strange lady.
mrseeker,
Patsy was a very strange lady. For sure, allowing her little girl to act like an adult on stage.
Maybe she had an attraction to her own gender, and an utter distaste for physical relationships with men, we can only speculate, similarly with the ransom note.
Its just fake artifact, just like the Picasso I painted yesterday!
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Yeah they definitely had some sort of a plan in place before BPD arrived. Stating immediately that the doors were locked goes against the grain of any IDI scenario except someone with a key. Open/broken windows only became a factor later on thanks to Lou Smit. If the window(s) were a viable point of entry, John would have jumped on this that morning once going into the basement after BPD arrived. He could have run upstairs and said something like, "Hey! Look at this. Our window has been broken and someone might have climbed through this other one!". He didn't do this though because nothing was out of order to him down there.
BPD should have picked up on this immediately. A crime scene that entails a kidnapping which turns to murder seven hours later and by some coincidence there's a broken and now open window in the basement. Then take into account John's statement about the murder being an "inside job". It was very calculated.
UK brings up how there appears to be multi layering to the staging and its issues like this which prove that to be the case.
They definitely were cooking up suspects from the start. You mention the housekeeper. They also went pretty hard against Santa Bill. I'm actually surprised they didn't go after him before her.
Here's John trying to make the case...
JOHN RAMSEY: It's -- if I -- you know, if I recall this little tidbit that her mother said that JonBenet said Santa was going to come visit her the evening of the 26th, she never told us that. And if that's something they would have, you know, secretly prearranged, would have been very possible, because I think JonBenet took Santa through the house, you know, that night of the 23rd or was with him while he was there the year before, I remember that. If I came -- if I in fact -- if, in fact, that's who said that to her and, in fact, was said, and somebody she knew, and was expecting, particularly Santa Claus, she would hop right out of bed, you know, gone to the mall if he wanted to.
This is deplorable. I realize some think Santa is a legitimate suspect and/or a shady character but John is overstating his case. He is saying that his six year old daughter would hop right out of bed in the middle of the night and go wherever Santa or someone else she knew wanted her to go.
Teen girls are the type to hop out of bed and go somewhere late at night. Jonbenet is six. How many six year old girls would do such a thing? He also insinuates that she is old enough to "prearrange" meetings with adults and even worse, it "would have been very possible".. This statement says a lot about John. It borders on character assassination of his own daughter but as long as it points the finger to someone else, he doesn't seem to care.
Edit: here's a comment from Patsy about Santa...
So Patsy says they were never alone but John thinks its possible that Santa and Jonbenet would prearrange secret meetings and leave the house in the middle of the night.
That doesn't add up obviously.
2nd Edit: I forgot to add that excerpt where he actually insinuates the possibility of Santa being in the house and feeding her pineapple...
He even says they had a special relationship which seems to be an attempt to merely link him even closer to the "secret" Santa comment.
John's statement about the murder being an "inside job"
He didn't do this though because nothing was out of order to him down there.
John Ramsey:
If I came -- if I in fact -- if, in fact, that's who said that to her and, in fact, was said, and somebody she knew, and was expecting, particularly Santa Claus, she would hop right out of bed, you know, gone to the mall if he wanted to.
Yes, she was young enough and trusting enough to go with Santa Bill, or anyone, for she held enthusiasm and no real fear of danger until those last couple of weeks. Her bodily excrements prove that JBR became stressed during that time frame of the last month of her life.
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This is true and I think a lot more emphasis should be placed on it. As singularity has said, a timeline of the last days of her life should have been created. The first 911 call, the ripped up card, the statement at the party, the encopresis and bed wetting, the clinginess she suddenly developed for Patsy, the sad look on her last few photographs, coupled with the statement from teachers and aquaintances who described the same sadness highly unusual for her...when all of this piles up you have a very stressful, chaotic and tragic last couple of weeks in this child's life. How could people not have picked up on this? No way on earth can an "intruder" provoke all these feelings and situations before his gran appereance on christmas. The last days of her life and the last rolls of film taken at the parties are key to solving the murder, in my opinion.
BR still communicates with Doug Stine his schooldays buddy. So you can bet the house on DS and Momma watching BR's interview with Dr Phil.Wonder if BR ever held a bond with any of the other children such as JAR? Or JRs Xwife? JR retained attorneys for each of them so they would speak no evil. Does BR attend family reunions? Does he continue in a friendship with the White's two children? BRs sister probably would have become a Miss Colorado, then, gone on to the Miss America Pageant. Makes me really sad for her, for them.
In my work, I have come across some very dysfunctional families, that have family "norms", that 99% of "normal" families would not even begin to believe. Once, you suspend your entire belief system of how a "normal" family unit acts, behaves, thinks, the entire scenario of Patsy killing JBR, because of jealousy, rage, whatever and Patsy blackmails John into covering up for her, or she spills all about his child molestation of JBR, then, the entire scene begins to make some dysfunctional sense.
Yes! I think PDI and that JR was complicit, but then you have to wonder why.
With the staging elements suggesting a sexual motive, I could see her telling JR what happened and threatening to blackmail him if he didn't back her play. Maybe she convinced him that she was capable of turning on him and that she would be believed, which would mean imprisonment and the loss of his family, lifestyle, and wealth. If this is true, perhaps he was conflicted but weighed the pros and cons, ultimately deciding to go along with it.
This would explain the physical distance between PR and JR in the moments and days after. From Steve Thomas's book, following the arrival of LE but before JBR was discovered: "Despite her obvious distress, her husband did not go to her. ..It was as if the house had separated into two camps, His and Hers...police considered the physical distance between John and Patsy Ramsey to be remarkable under the stressful conditions." Accounts from friends with whom the R's stayed in the following days echo the same demeanor.
The only other explanation I've imagined is if PDI accidentally, she could have appealed to JR that it was truly a mistake, felt genuine fear and remorse, and needed his help. That may have elicited enough sympathy for him to stand by her, but JR would still be bitter and angry with her.
I believe that PR knew about BR and JB sex play and possibly the reason for PR violating JB on the 25th along with the ramsom note and strangulation.
Not sure if any of you have got a glimpse yet of the up coming 3 segment's where Burke will be on Dr Phil show or not but i happen to watch the show yesterday and i seen for the first time the preview of the first segment and it got all the hair on my neck standing i was so Im not even sure of the right word shocked excited amazed that this is finally happening . I really do think this is gonna be something amazing when Dr Phil has burke on for 3 days and I for one am really excited ///
Hello,
My first time posting over here, long time follower though-wanted to add that I watched that preview segment and it was interesting to see that BR was all smiles as He was talking about the night his sister died. Bizarre.