Theories On What Happened to Caylee Part #3

reeseeva said:

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_timeline2008July.htm

If you read the timeline for July, slowly, there are some startling revelations here!

Casey says she spoke to Caylee on July 15th??

Chris Stutz thinks he sees her jogging on Chickasaw at 9:30am...he texts her, she says no it wasn't her??

Much Activity on the desktop at 10:15am? Desktop, I believe is at the A home.

Casey always leads from experiences with her "truths" If she was jogging that day, her truth would be that she did speak with Caylee, (when checking of the grave)??

Maybe I need a break from this???

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reeseeva said:

This wasn't Planned........Casey has winged it most of her life & this was just another "reaction" to the circmstances around her. Planning doesn't fit this picture at all!

JMO

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Lavanda Dolce said:

I disagree, 100%. Casey has no guilt whatsoever....and I honestly don't think she had any fear either...except of her mom busting her. Getting a tattoo only 3 days after is guilty? Partying the entire time? SHOPPING and walking out of the store swinging her hips cuz of pure raw excitement of spending the night with Tony KNOWING her child was dead and gone? Nope. She has no guilt. She was glad to be rid of the beautiful child that she felt restricted her lifestyle. Not too mention, her crap spewed about "never letting her out of her site" was nothing more than manipulative tactics to tell those listening to hear what they want to hear. Shame? No way on this earth. Not according to all those photo's I've seen. That girl has no shame. What about her myspace pic? Why did she have Caylee UPSIDE DOWN on it? Not right side up? Why did she have a child looking up at a teddy bear in a noose? Why the "everyone lies, everyone dies" stuff? No. She has no shame, no guilt, no remorse. She is plain evil. JMO.
As for fear of her mother....yes. Absolutely. But not in the way you and I would have feared our parents reactions. She feared Cindy because she knew if anyone knew her and could read her like a book and know her for who she really is....was her mom. THAT is why she feared Cindy. Heck, she feared her more than the cops! Fear she would be caught.

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  When did CA seek out counseling? Can LE access all of those records to ascertain the extent of CA's concerns? If you tape a child's mouth tightly so they will be quiet could they suffocate (stuffy nose) before you knew it? If, and I'm only saying "if", your brother is your child's father, but you are the one who is expected to take responsibility for the child while he remains foot loose and fancy free, could that make you crazier than you already are especially toward your demanding mother (the way KC would view it)? Which is why I feel it is important to outrule that possibility - just get it off the table, period. It's easy to disprove. Just expressing thoughts I've had not for the purpose of excusing but for motive possibilities?

ibyoungr said:

In regards to yours and Kiki posts:
There is a difference between feeling guilty and being guilty. One can be guilty of something but not feel guilt or remorse.

Does Casey feel guilty or in her mind has she re-arranged things so that she feels no guilt?

My answer is NO she does not feel guilty but possibly justified. "Mom, Caylee or whomever caused me to do this."

Does Casey's statements to police subconciously contradict or point to her guilt in committing the deed?

ITA, with both posters in was she scared of Cindy? Only in the fact that Cindy would have been the only one to read her. George stated in one of the interviews how much Casey was like her mom and they shared the same personality.

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VALee said:

KC is quick at coming up with lies for events in her life, that has been proven. I think during the flurry of calls, she was going to tell her parents that Caylee had been kidnapped, of course a quick cover for the real events of the day. Upon not reaching them, she decided she'd wait for another day to use the story if she needed it.

After that, KC went on with life as a young single and and saying anything would be result in significant inconvenience to her, thus she didn't say anything, except to use other lies about the whereabouts of Caylee to her family and friends. Once her world began collapsing that night her mom called 9-1-1, she resurrected her original thoughts about a kidnapping excuse and filled in the gaps with additional lies on the fly.

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VALee said:

KC and CA are alike in their strength. One key difference, KC is a delusional liar. I think she spends some time with us in 'normality' as shown when she sheds tears in jailhouse visits, but that is when it is about her. Her classic narcissism however, precludes her from being able to take the shame and blame for this and that part of her persona actually protects her from feeling remorse. She is projecting the shame and blame to others and even imaginary people, but that is what narcissisists do to protect the image they have of their superior selves. She may mature out of this with therapy and time, or more likely she will maintain and possibly get worse given the social dynamics and environment she will likely be in for awhile.

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ibyoungr said:

I agree... I think either a suffocation took place or a accidental drowning... she was afraid to prove her mother right. After all, Casey is self-centered and narsasstic enough to go into self-preservation mode. After the "incident" happened...she came up with the kidnapping theme as her "lie." She then duct taped and bagged Caylee and put her in the trunk. She started to calling her parents as she is leaving to tell them of the kidnapping and there probably was fear of Cindy and proving her right. They may have not answered due to the fight the day before. She figured since they did not answer - oh well, their loss.. their fault they "drove her to this" and then of course she had to keep her date with Tony to watch movies. The second flurry of phone calls occurred when she went to dump the body 2 days later.... thinking she could still tell them that Caylee was kidnapped. I agree with the bolded above....

I looked up the searches in the order today that the forensics pulled up.. after reading "how to make cholorform" I am CONVINCED she did not make her own cholorform(making it can be dangerous and Casey would NOT have put herself at risk). The ONLY way I will believe that is if forensics on the house, drain pipes, carpeting, etc... find cholorform in the house.

Also I looked up the timeline on candyrose.com (great job) and many of the nights or times she was out partying... Cindy was babysitting. Cindy thought Casey was working not partying until she caught her in the lie about working when she was at the no clothes party.

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cocoamom said:

Does anyone watch Dr. G on TV? I was watching a DVR'd show today where she said "Homicide is the actual act that is done by a person ON a victim". She ruled Caylee's death a "homicide". In this show a couple had a fight and the woman stuck the man in the arm with a knife in anger. The wound was not lethal but the surgery and his pre-existing health issues ended up with him dying. The woman was charged with homicide. The knife wound CAUSED him to die through a chain of events that wouldn't have otherwise happened.

If the woman was holding a knife and the man fell on it or something, it would be an accidental death or an accidental homicide or whatever. SOMETHING she saw in Caylee's autopsy convinced her that this was an intentional death done TO Caylee or she would not have ruled it a homicide!!

Just my 2 cents

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cocoamom said:

Does anyone watch Dr. G on TV? I was watching a DVR'd show today where she said "Homicide is the actual act that is done by a person ON a victim". She ruled Caylee's death a "homicide". In this show a couple had a fight and the woman stuck the man in the arm with a knife in anger. The wound was not lethal but the surgery and his pre-existing health issues ended up with him dying. The woman was charged with homicide. The knife wound CAUSED him to die through a chain of events that wouldn't have otherwise happened.

If the woman was holding a knife and the man fell on it or something, it would be an accidental death or an accidental homicide or whatever. SOMETHING she saw in Caylee's autopsy convinced her that this was an intentional death done TO Caylee or she would not have ruled it a homicide!!

Just my 2 cents

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CBTampa said:

So, do I. Does anyone know the location that KC ran out of gas on the 20th and TL came and picked her up? In his statement he said that they went back to her house and got the gas cans. I think he also said that she poured the gas in the tank herself. I am just wondering where she ran out.

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sometimer said:

I have been thinking along these lines too. I posted about it on a different topic today. TL said that he went with her to get gas can I think, on the 23rd. She may have run out of gas both times. GA did say she ran out of gas often. What if, on the 20th (or even the 18th) she ran out of gas right there on Suburban dr. She paniced and dumped the body. She then called GA to bring her gas. Or possibly even called TL to pick her and said her dad would take care of the car. She then called GA to go and get the car. He put gas in the car and drove it home, not realizing his Grandaughter lay only 12 feet away. He never thought to tell LE about this because she ran out of gas so often. This would not seem unusual to him. If this was the case, he could certainly use a lawyer now! He would definantly want immunity, just in case they didn't believe his story.

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JWG said:

I did a ping analysis of June 16, including drive times and cell tower sector locations. KC drove straight to AL's, leaving her parent's around 4:12 PM. I don't believe she stopped along the way.

IMO, Caylee died at the Anthony's mid-afternoon and that is why there was a flurry of calls. Not reaching anyone, she had a chance to "calm down" and decided to put her daughter in the trunk to give herself time to figure out what to do.

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Susanlee said:

Here is where my confusion comes in. Caylee was last seen June 15, or 16th, depending if we take GA seeing them that morning into account. On June 24th, we have both the theft of the gas cans, GA reporting such to police. Also on the same day... June 24, KC comes to Grandparents, and has confrontation with GA over him being able to look in her trunk. With GA standing very close to the trunk, KC throws/tosses the gas cans his way (the ones she stole) then slams the trunk.

If Caylee was killed the 15th-20th of June, and her body has been in the trunk...why no smell yet in the trunk? Had she not killed her yet, but did so that day? Or did she move the body on/after the 24th of June, place her in the trunk, disposed of her bewteen June 24 and June 27th...then dumped the car at Amscott, which if I recall is the date they think KC abandoned the care there (the 27th). Again, just no smell on the 24th. Why?

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ibyoungr said:

I agree... I think either a suffocation took place or a accidental drowning... she was afraid to prove her mother right. After all, Casey is self-centered and narsasstic enough to go into self-preservation mode. After the "incident" happened...she came up with the kidnapping theme as her "lie." She then duct taped and bagged Caylee and put her in the trunk. She started to calling her parents as she is leaving to tell them of the kidnapping and there probably was fear of Cindy and proving her right. They may have not answered due to the fight the day before. She figured since they did not answer - oh well, their loss.. their fault they "drove her to this" and then of course she had to keep her date with Tony to watch movies. The second flurry of phone calls occurred when she went to dump the body 2 days later.... thinking she could still tell them that Caylee was kidnapped. I agree with the bolded above....

I looked up the searches in the order today that the forensics pulled up.. after reading "how to make cholorform" I am CONVINCED she did not make her own cholorform(making it can be dangerous and Casey would NOT have put herself at risk). The ONLY way I will believe that is if forensics on the house, drain pipes, carpeting, etc... find cholorform in the house.

Also I looked up the timeline on candyrose.com (great job) and many of the nights or times she was out partying... Cindy was babysitting. Cindy thought Casey was working not partying until she caught her in the lie about working when she was at the no clothes party.

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VALee said:

KC and CA are alike in their strength. One key difference, KC is a delusional liar. I think she spends some time with us in 'normality' as shown when she sheds tears in jailhouse visits, but that is when it is about her. Her classic narcissism however, precludes her from being able to take the shame and blame for this and that part of her persona actually protects her from feeling remorse. She is projecting the shame and blame to others and even imaginary people, but that is what narcissisists do to protect the image they have of their superior selves. She may mature out of this with therapy and time, or more likely she will maintain and possibly get worse given the social dynamics and environment she will likely be in for awhile.

That said, and realizing the thread topic, I have a few theories (none different than any others suggested here) on what happened to Caylee, but they all point back to KC as the responsible party, I'm not hearing a convincing motive for anyone else, real that is, and in fact, not a good motive stated for the mystery people either. Poor oversights and a poor story, classic narcissist that could not think things through because the thoughts kept riveting back to 'okay, and how do I react to that statement?, use it to gain the spotlight?' etc

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debs said:

It would be enough to considered homicide (and that includes accidents through negligence) because Caylee Marie Anthony was found in a woods 1600 feet from her yard, with her remains scattered over an acre, after having been deposited there in a garbage bag. Corpses don't wrap themselves up and head off into the woods. Someone else does that, and deliberately so.

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sometimer said:

I have been thinking along these lines too. I posted about it on a different topic today. TL said that he went with her to get gas can I think, on the 23rd. She may have run out of gas both times. GA did say she ran out of gas often. What if, on the 20th (or even the 18th) she ran out of gas right there on Suburban dr. She paniced and dumped the body. She then called GA to bring her gas. Or possibly even called TL to pick her and said her dad would take care of the car. She then called GA to go and get the car. He put gas in the car and drove it home, not realizing his Grandaughter lay only 12 feet away. He never thought to tell LE about this because she ran out of gas so often. This would not seem unusual to him. If this was the case, he could certainly use a lawyer now! He would definantly want immunity, just in case they didn't believe his story.

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kiki the parrot said:

Disagree. Along w her vows in jailhouse tapes to "be an overprotective mother from now on," and to "never letting Caylee out of her sight," there is underlying guilt revealed in both her conversation w LA at the time she's first confronted (as later relayed to LE by LA), and in her own subsequent interview w LE. Remarks which even to a layperson clearly suggest guilt--see above--as well as shame, and fear of admitting the truth to CA. Maybe pride as well, in that she probably did the exact thing of which her mother had constantly warned and admonished her. Guilt, shame, fear (of CA) and anxiety which, when unable to reach anyone, eventually overtook her causing her to lose her nerve and cover-up... so much in fact, that she would apparently rather serve LWOP or even face the DP--while she would likely have feigned a more believable accidental death if just a malicious sociopath. JMO

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CBTampa said:

In TL taped statement he said it was the 20th of June. He possibly could have changed his statement since then having re-thought the timeline and came up with a few days later. I don't think GA was involved though. It was the 24th that he had the run in with KC about the cans. In his statement he said that he got as close as the back lights of the car when she threw the cans at him. He probably didn't see into the trunk and was in total shock of her reaction and maybe that is why he didn't question the odor. What I understand is that she quickly left.

I am thinking that the day she ran out of gas and got the cans is the day that she disposed of Caylee. This is just my thoughts only.

As far as immunity. I think that their attorney is asking for this. That is why they have an attorney to finally take his advice.

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