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it's time to go make some very strong wake up :coffeecup:
good morning all
I agree, and I have stayed away from posting about the family...let investigators look into it and I will wait to hear verified information...
Political activists in Malaysia sometimes use SIM cards bought with bogus identity cards if they fear that their phones may be bugged by the countrys authoritarian ruling party.
many many ...many lol.....years ago I read a book called Out of Iran..it was about a woman growing up in the Shahs time then what happened when the Ayatollahs came and her escape...
About 20 yrs ago, I took a class and became friends with a woman from Iran. She and her husband fled Iran and settled in our area, with their two young sons. We formed a small study group, and I spent quite a bit of time with her, went to her apartment to study, etc. She was clearly Westernized - wore jeans, didn't cover her head - and was very angry about what was happening in Iran. She talked about attacks and bombs/shooting in the middle of the night - and how she would grab her little brother and put her body over his to protect him. It is something that woke her up at night.
She once asked me to proof one of her papers for another class. She had written that her school had been "shot down". The teacher marked through it in red ink and told her the correct phrase is "shut down", assuming it was a mistake of someone learning proper English and confusing two similarly sounding words. I asked her which word she meant - and she described her school being there one day and gone the next. It had indeed been "shot down".
I do not suspect the Iranian passengers, as I believe they were desperately trying to start a new life elsewhere.
Whoever is behind this (if not the pilots) would be more cautious and professional about obtaining passports, etc.
Following up with the new comments on the fuel. I had raised that question prior as felt it was a key piece of info needed. The answer was that no one really knew - enough to get to Beijing with a little extra. What kind of answer is that in this type of situation??
Thought it was another thing Malaysia was either lack on record keeping or another secretive piece of info they were keeping! So two weeks later the discussion is maybe the plane had a full tank which indicates the plans were to go further than the flight log said. It truly feels we get the "real information" every 4-5 days!! Why or what is Malaysia hiding?
I must have missed any discussion on this, but why can't submarines go down looking for the plane?
To me, this incident feels 75% likely to be intentional, 25% some odd accident.
@ToutCa
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I agree, only I'd even go as far to say that the "incident" is 90% intentional and 10% possibly due to a mechanical/electrical failure (including depressurization).
Despite sounding like a broken record, I'll say it again... unless one can invent an explosion that would take out some but not all communications and power systems and yet still leave the aircraft in a flyable state (for 6-7 hours!), I don't see how this could be attributed to a fire or depressurization.
Now, as far as whose intention it was to redirect this plane... not so clear. If this was a situation of pilot-suicide -- while I understand that only 2/3 of those who complete a suicide actually leave a note -- there would still be some indicators of this, such as those closest to the person stating/recognizing that behavioral changes were present -- while perhaps not recognized for what they were until now.
We have heard nothing (at least not yet) of any indicators, whether spoken or observed, by those closest to either of the pilots (comments such as, "I won't be here long", "It doesn't matter, it will all be over soon", "When I'm gone..." or giving away any of their personal possessions...) which, in my view, would be odd considering that this type of suicide would have required significant planning.
However, with that said, a factor that could change my mind on the pilot-suicide theory is if it came to light that either pilot had significant financial issues and had -- or recently took out -- a substantial life insurance policy. Because the insurance company would not pay the claim if it was determined to be a suicide, in that case, cutting all communications from the cockpit and flying out into the great expanse of the Indian ocean begins to make sense.
Perhaps someone can weigh in on whether or not the Malaysian government, if they had this type of information, would publicly disclose it at this point or hold off until locating the plane? Sorry for the rambling thoughts - like everyone else, I'm just trying to make sense of the nonsensical.
IMO there is a chance Malaysia is lying to everyone regarding having "confirmed" that last communciation "all right, good night" is from the co-pilot.
From the rest of co-pilot's communicaitons, it's clear he woudl have said "copy that," showing ATC that he understood their instructions to contact Hu Chi Minh City. He would not have just said "all right, good night."
IMO.
Maybe the hijackers got into the cockpit before this last communicaiton. Then ATC contacted them to tell them to contact Hu Chi Minh, the hijacker didn't think to say "copy that," he just said "all right, good night." He said "good night" b/c the ATC guy said "good night."
Co-pilot would have definately included "copy that" in his last communicaiton.
No, no, no Malaysia is lyng re: last communication and whose voice it is.
JMO.
I think someone else entered the cockpit too and that it was someone else who was communicating with the tower in the last communications.
..I was wondering about something though. Do we know why the pilot's wife and family left, or what the story is on that?
He said the near full tank of fuel with 117, 00 liters instead of the 45 per cent required to fly to Beijing, was an indicator it was not an accident
HOLY CR%P I just looked it up 45,220 U.S. gal 171,170 L
The flight is like 3000 miles
A pilot that was coming back would get in so much trouble from his chief pilot for doing that $$$ that just changes the game totally.
Its not like he was rookie -- thats not a little boo boo (the onbaord flight system figures it out for them)
and has implications about someone in the cockpit, knowing full well, in advance, that tonights flight was going to be a dash longer than our schedule indicates --
Its not even close
and we have to remember it had fuel form the last segment (which would be kind of like right ---50,000 reserve still in tanks from last reserve figures)
What I am trying to say is someone in the cockpit had the aircraft filled up
City pairs requiring a" fill her to the brim"!
London - Los Angeles
Tokyo - Sydney
Chicago - Seoul
A person sticking fuel in airline tanks Is not going to challenge flight crew. If one of the crew knew what was up, they are not going to be concerned about what the head office might say in a month!
They arent coming back!
All a member of the flight crew would say to the loader is: put X gallons on were heavy tonight, expect headwinds; whatever........ no-one is challenging a flight crew member
That is huge - IMO implications are enormous
Really not good news at all.....................
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_200product.page
The reality is, fuel calculations are the responsibility of the pilot and as such, he would have had authority to ask for however much fuel he required.
I dare say he would have had plenty of room left to bring on the extra fuel if he wanted it...
Also jumping in here having possibly missed earlier discussion on this, so not sure if its already been raised.
Everyone is working off the assumption that they took on board a calculated load of fuel that would get them from KL to Bejing with Reserves.
The reality is, fuel calculations are the responsibility of the pilot and as such, he would have had authority to ask for however much fuel he required.
He would have done his weight and balance calculations for the flight long before even walking out to the flightline or on board the aircraft. This would also include his fuel loading calculations, which when combined with the Zero Fuel Weight of the aircraft, must fall in within a range that does not exceed the Maximum Takeoff Weight and Maximum Flying Weight of the aircraft and keeps thee centre of gravity calculations happy as well.
Unless the plane was fully loaded with every seat booked and a compliement of passengers who were taking advantage of every last gram of the 20KG check in weight limit, and carry on weights and limits were being abused as well, I dare say he would have had plenty of room left to bring on the extra fuel if he wanted it... and that jet would have had the range to make it to the other side of the world.
The first anyone would have known about it would be at the end of the month when the people who handle the fuel bills possibly picked up n it
Following up with the new comments on the fuel. I had raised that question prior as felt it was a key piece of info needed. The answer was that no one really knew - enough to get to Beijing with a little extra. What kind of answer is that in this type of situation??
Thought it was another thing Malaysia was either lack on record keeping or another secretive piece of info they were keeping! So two weeks later the discussion is maybe the plane had a full tank which indicates the plans were to go further than the flight log said. It truly feels we get the "real information" every 4-5 days!! Why or what is Malaysia hiding?
I must have missed any discussion on this, but why can't submarines go down looking for the plane?
On Sunday, the Malaysian government denied recent U.S. media reports that the flight was pre-programmed to turn around before it vanished from radar. Those reports, citing unnamed U.S. officials, said the planes last transmission made through its ACARS system at 1:07 a.m. indicated the aircraft had already been pre-programmed to make a U-turn, and had cast suspicion on the two pilots.
This was not true, Malaysias Ministry of Transport said in a statement. The last ACARS transmission, sent at 1:07 a.m., showed nothing unusual, it said. The 1:07 transmission showed a normal routing all the way to Beijing.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...b92692-b258-11e3-95e8-39bef8e9a48b_story.html
If debris from the airliner is found, complex and uncertain mathematical modeling will have to be employed to track back and find out where the plane might have come down, and naval vessels equipped with sonar technology will have to sweep the area, listening for beeps from the black box.
Then, it will be a case of searching the deep ocean floor, roughly two miles beneath the surface, with undersea drones to look for the main wreckage.