MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #7

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How long does it take to travel from Wetterloing home to DR? riding bikes
How long does it take to travel from Wetterling home to Tom Thumb? riding bikes
How long from Tom Thumb to DR driveway? riding bikes
How long from location of parents party? driving
 
I copied it for reference:
So we've got:

9:00 to 9:15 (I'm guessing) Smokey barks, DR sees a dark blue car turn around in his farmhouse driveway
9:15 Abduction
9:32 Merle's 911 call to police
9:40 Police arrive at Wetterlings house(according to blog St Autumn, boys tell police where abduction spot is and officers go there. If so, why did the police + Kevin not see each other)
9:45-10 As per Joy's blog, Kevin + friends finish playing cards, hear info on scanner, see police cars go by, then decide to check it out. (is Kevin's time off in this sequence?)
10:00 DR goes to bed
10:05-10:10 Jerry + Patty arrive at their house....what did they see when they went past the abduction spot?
10:00-10:10? Kevin drives his car to abduction site, sees no officers or crime tape, sees the bikes, drives all the way through DR's driveway then heads to the Tom Thumb...sees 2 'cops(1 'medical cop', 1 'new cop') Why does Smokey not bark when this car goes through entire driveway? Where are the police? Why is the crime scene unsecured?
10:10-11:23 What is happening in this time frame? Helicopters in this time frame or after 11:23? If helicopters, how does DR sleep thru this? If not helicopters, are police searching on foot?
11:23 After being awoken by Smokey barking, DR places 911 call regarding people in the woodpile
post 11:23...helicopters and search parties in this time frame?

something's not right with the whole scenario not sure what it is but bottom line is the perp had a solid 20 minutes to exit in a car or on foot (9:15-9:35)

What time did boys leave the house?
Again, unknown car only seen by DR apparently leaves no tracks.
I too would like to keep hope alive but I believe the perpetrator will have to come forward to give closure to the Wetterlings. 25 years is too long not to talk.

An aside to the local news interview where DR was walking reporter & camera guy through home and talking about how his mother doesn't even own black pantyhose and as they walk by, they see some hanging in the bathroom. Does his mother know more than she is saying and put them there on purpose? Are his parents torn between protecting their son or doing the Christian thing and coming forward to police for the peace of mind of the Wetterlings? This situation had to look very suspicious to them as well. What do they know for sure?

ALSO, how many cars passed boys on way to store? They were all accounted for. Who were they?
 
Whoever did this, knew the area. There is a transcript from a recent Nancy Grace show which is available here:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1102/28/ng.01.html

"
CASAREZ: Now, the little boys were told to go face down into a ditch, right?

SANNER: That`s right.

CASAREZ: So without any lighting, my common sense tells me someone must have known where there was a ditch.

SANNER: Of course. Yes. That makes sense."

whoever did this was clearly local... if not DR then I would propose of the neighbors from one of the other homes along that dead end street (DR's street). Someone knew the area, and someone had a plan. Someone heard them or saw them coming, and carried out their plan. Were the other homes along that stretch searched at the time? In the article linked to above, there is another quote from Sanner, wherein he noted that the boys were interviewed along with other boys from around the state wherein similar incidents occurred. He did not elaborate as to which situations, or which boys were interviewed, just stated that is how the composites were created.

Sanner also states that the boys were hypnotized, and neither remembered seeing or hearing a car during the abduction, before it or afterwards.

By the time the boys were able to get to JW's house, and tell Rochelle what had happened, how much time had passed? Jacob could be anywhere by then!! Then Rochelle, because she realizes she is in over her head, she calls her dad -- to tell him to come over. More time passes. How long before he was there? How long before 911 was even called and LE dispatched? Worse -- they CALLED OFF THE SEARCH around 2 or 3am until MORNING??! What the hell were they thinking??!

I'm sorry, but this was a planned, organized criminal. He knew what he was doing, and he knew who he was doing it to. He knew the area, and knew that the kids were coming back down that road way. If it wasn't DR, one of his friends or relatives, then I'm looking at whoever else lived along that stretch at the time, and their friends and relatives.

My last option is this: Patty and Jerry went to a party at the last minute. When they arrived, they called the house to tell the kids the number to where they were. Who else was at that party? Did anyone not show up who was supposed to show up? Maybe someone phoned a friend to tell them that the boys were alone? Maybe someone updated that person that the kids were off to Tom Thumb alone?

Someone knew the kids were going to come back that way, and had time to get their "abduction kit" assembled. They clearly already had it packed and ready to use at any opportunity!!

Sher has discussed on here several times how often the homes were searched. Many times.

I cannot remember if at the time there were 3 or five homes in the cul de sac where the boys lived. Then nothing for a long ways until DR. Then nothing for a long ways until several homes somewhat far apart. Maybe 100 feet?
 
Sher has discussed on here several times how often the homes were searched. Many times.

I cannot remember if at the time there were 3 or five homes in the cul de sac where the boys lived. Then nothing for a long ways until DR. Then nothing for a long ways until several homes somewhat far apart. Maybe 100 feet?

Yes, we have friends who lived in the same cul de sac as Wetterlings. Their home and grounds were searched so many times, the dad finally had extra keys made for the home and garage and just gave them to the sheriff, so they could look through there whenever they wanted to. Other people who lived out there and along 16th have said their homes were searched several times also. (Even though in the beginning they thought Jacob had been taken far away in a car.)
 
I remember the BCA or other agency saying evidence would be preserved for future improved DNA analysis. Does anyone understand what kind? There is already contact/epithelial. I don't know what mitochondrial is, but will look it up. Just wondering. I have read a story or too recently about advancements in DNA analysis and hope its soon that they will have a new test for the cedar chest and whatever else they have kept.
 
I copied it for reference:
So we've got:

9:00 to 9:15 (I'm guessing) Smokey barks, DR sees a dark blue car turn around in his farmhouse driveway
9:15 Abduction
9:32 Merle's 911 call to police
9:40 Police arrive at Wetterlings house(according to blog St Autumn, boys tell police where abduction spot is and officers go there. If so, why did the police + Kevin not see each other)
9:45-10 As per Joy's blog, Kevin + friends finish playing cards, hear info on scanner, see police cars go by, then decide to check it out. (is Kevin's time off in this sequence?)
10:00 DR goes to bed
10:05-10:10 Jerry + Patty arrive at their house....what did they see when they went past the abduction spot?
10:00-10:10? Kevin drives his car to abduction site, sees no officers or crime tape, sees the bikes, drives all the way through DR's driveway then heads to the Tom Thumb...sees 2 'cops(1 'medical cop', 1 'new cop') Why does Smokey not bark when this car goes through entire driveway? Where are the police? Why is the crime scene unsecured?
10:10-11:23 What is happening in this time frame? Helicopters in this time frame or after 11:23? If helicopters, how does DR sleep thru this? If not helicopters, are police searching on foot?
11:23 After being awoken by Smokey barking, DR places 911 call regarding people in the woodpile
post 11:23...helicopters and search parties in this time frame?

something's not right with the whole scenario not sure what it is but bottom line is the perp had a solid 20 minutes to exit in a car or on foot (9:15-9:35)

What time did boys leave the house?
Again, unknown car only seen by DR apparently leaves no tracks.
I too would like to keep hope alive but I believe the perpetrator will have to come forward to give closure to the Wetterlings. 25 years is too long not to talk.

An aside to the local news interview where DR was walking reporter & camera guy through home and talking about how his mother doesn't even own black pantyhose and as they walk by, they see some hanging in the bathroom. Does his mother know more than she is saying and put them there on purpose? Are his parents torn between protecting their son or doing the Christian thing and coming forward to police for the peace of mind of the Wetterlings? This situation had to look very suspicious to them as well. What do they know for sure?

ALSO, how many cars passed boys on way to store? They were all accounted for. Who were they?

There are several issues with this timeline, IMHO. First, the drive the Wetterlings had should have been just 20 minutes, not 30. Also, I believe the cop at the Dentist's office was stationed there to escort the Wetterling's home. Therefore, Kevin must have went to the crime scene BEFORE the Wetterlings arrived home, and much earlier than shown here. And finally, a newspaper article stated that the helicopter search began at 10:30pm. I have some level of doubt about the chopper being there at 10:30pm though, because that would be pretty quick response by the State Patrol on a Sunday night. Maybe they had 24/7 pilot availability, I dunno.
 
The party was to celebrate "the triumph of arts and crafts" of the St. Joseph Millstream Arts Festival.

http://www.millstreamartsfestival.org

Why would the Wetterlings have been expected to attend? Patty was the chairman of the Festival. Given that, I think it's pretty safe to say that others would be expecting them to attend.

Well, not to confuse the issue further, but I've now come across an article where Patty says it was a housewarming party that they went to. Could be that the party was dual purpose - housewarming and Arts Festival….
 
There are several issues with this timeline, IMHO. First, the drive the Wetterlings had should have been just 20 minutes, not 30. Also, I believe the cop at the Dentist's office was stationed there to escort the Wetterling's home. Therefore, Kevin must have went to the crime scene BEFORE the Wetterlings arrived home, and much earlier than shown here. And finally, a newspaper article stated that the helicopter search began at 10:30pm. I have some level of doubt about the chopper being there at 10:30pm though, because that would be pretty quick response by the State Patrol on a Sunday night. Maybe they had 24/7 pilot availability, I dunno.

ELOCsoul, I agree. The timeline should be viewed as a preliminary framework, not an absolute factual synopsis. Since that timeline was created there have been clarifications of events(such as the distance to party location). Maybe it can be updated + eventually completed by posters as they discover further time related facts?
 
ELOCsoul, I agree. The timeline should be viewed as a preliminary framework, not an absolute factual synopsis. Since that timeline was created there have been clarifications of events(such as the distance to party location). Maybe it can be updated + eventually completed by posters as they discover further time related facts?

ELOC or cGorg, just make a new one with your updates, I'm sure bessie will pin it to replace the old one for you.
 
Yes, we have friends who lived in the same cul de sac as Wetterlings. Their home and grounds were searched so many times, the dad finally had extra keys made for the home and garage and just gave them to the sheriff, so they could look through there whenever they wanted to. Other people who lived out there and along 16th have said their homes were searched several times also. (Even though in the beginning they thought Jacob had been taken far away in a car.)

Just curious, did LE need a warrant to search the neighbors homes, or just DR's home?
 
Just curious, did LE need a warrant to search the neighbors homes, or just DR's home?

I have no idea, I would imagine they would only need a warrant if the home owners were not willing to have them search without one. The people we knew just said go ahead.

Possibly after DR's mom was so upset LE/FBI was going to dig up their gravel pit, they thought it was best to get a warrant when they found the trunk with blood residue that led to them wanting to look in the house.
 
Just curious, did LE need a warrant to search the neighbors homes, or just DR's home?

I assume you're referring to the initial search here? To my knowledge all the initial searches of neighboring homes that night and the following days were without a search warrant. The search of the Rassier farm the following Saturday - I don't think anyone knows if there was a warrant for that or not. I tend to think not.

Regarding search warrants in general, I know I have an article that states there had been 18 warrants issued for various places in the first few weeks of the investigation.
 
I cannot figure out the connection that is being put across in this capture -- pls have a look and let me know if you can find the connection (if any?).

Thanks.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lavonasherarts/6341797300/

Oh nevermind, I think I just answered my question.....
Bridge apparently was built in his memory....

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lavon...39t-bQs3hH-bQs3C4-bQs3xe-bQs3dg-bBxmU9-bBxmQ9

The "Bridge of Hope" was not built "in Jacob's memory", it was built to replace the old falling apart highway 15 bridge into Sauk Rapids, MN that was torn down. They had a naming contest for the bridge and "Bridge of Hope" to remember Jacob won by a landslide.

http://www.johnweeks.com/river_mississippi/pages03/mn15x.html
 
Anyone who genuinely cares about this cold case should stop spinning their wheels in farmers’ driveways (or anywhere else), put down their newspapers and wake the hell up.

Those who diligently take pains vvill e ventually gather the missing pieces and assemble what remains of the puzzle.

The clues aren’t written in the present-day dust, they’re secreted away in the recollections of those who have been mostly silent all these years. Given a genuine opportunity, however, they will share their secrets with someone who cares, and that process has already begun . . .

Your contributions to this forum are immeasurable. However, many forum readers would suggest that it be helpful to indicate statements are your opinions, by simply adding a tag such as "IMAO"

Is there a significance of the "v v" in place of a "w", and the separation of the "e" from "eventually"?
 
Your contributions to this forum are immeasurable. However, many forum readers would suggest that it be helpful to indicate statements are your opinions, by simply adding a tag such as "IMAO"

Is there a significance of the "v v" in place of a "w", and the separation of the "e" from "eventually"?

I was wondering the same thing about the "v v" and the "e"!!
 
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