Here's another exercise for you.
Stand 20 m away from a toilet and have someone flush it.
I'd suggest that sound would be a lot louder than hearing a window open.
Trial Discussion Thread #25 - 14.04.14, Day 22
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Here's another exercise for you.
Stand 20 m away from a toilet and have someone flush it.
I'd suggest that sound would be a lot louder than hearing a window open.
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Did he do that as part of a plan to set up an alibi? Bit of a stretch
IF you have to twist and spin to even try and jam facts into a narrative... it's kinda not likely to be true
STILL no time.
Still impossible.
And the 3:17 is just one of MANY hard facts that the STATE presented... that they have to fit their version.
The 3.17 time is the time that the call finally connected to security. Not the time of the second shots. As I understand it, it was at close to 3:17 that Stipp called security and at 3:19 that OP called Stander.
It may have taken Stipp longer to locate his cellphone and find security's number... it may not have been saved on his phone whereas Stander's number was clearly saved on OP's, who had his phone to hand as well, so his call would have been much quicker.
Therefore there may have been as much as five minutes between the shooting and OP's first phone call... more than enough time!
If he told her to call the police, I would expect at a minimum she would have replied, "Why?" Was she expected to phone the police and say:
"Hello Police, Oscar told me to call you"
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Molly, sorry, but she was not in there long enough to empty her bladder.
Firstly if she had already returned from the bathroom, why would she go back?
Secondly I listened to OP's testimony - he heard the window sliding back just after he moved the fans. Reeva could not have got up, gone to the bathroom and finished in the time it took him to move two fans a few feet away from where they were (on his testimony, which I do not believe).
Therefore, the open window would have had to be Reeva on her way to the bathroom. OP immediately grabbed his gun, proceeded down the passage, then started screaming.
Only then was the door slammed. While he was screaming.
Sitting on the toilet, it has been demonstrated, she could not have slammed the door as it opens outwards.
Therefore she was not yet on the toilet. And by the time she was shot, she would not have had a chance to go, on OP's testimony. Bladder was not voided after death... this would have been picked up and mentioned in the bail hearing.
I wouldn't be willing to stake my life that she didn't have time to empty her bladder. Therefore, I wouldn't stake his life on it either.
And, the empty bladder actually works in his favor. It gives her a reason for being there.
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Really? Go and listen to his testimony and tell me exactly when she would have had time to empty her bladder.
I agree the empty bladder works in his favour. It is just a big pity there was no time for her to do it.
I agree the empty bladder works in his favour. It is just a big pity there was no time for her to do it.
When do you think she emptied her bladder?
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OP stated that Reeva was in the bathroom before they went to bed and she called him to come and brush his teeth. Is it possible she emptied her bladder at that time?
No.
The pathologist stated she had emptied her bladder within the previous hour or so before her death.
They went to bed at 10 p.m. (according to OP)
My prediction is that at some point today, Nels *will* ask:
'Mr. Pistorius, did you hear a toilet flush?'
This is a key question.
If he says 'no' because of the fans.
Nels will say then how come you could hear the window slide open.
He won't won't be able to answer with anything else.
Edit: He will also establish that it would be impossible on OP's version of events for Reeva to have gone to the toilet in the timeframe provided.
He may also raise the issue of washing hands.
The empty bladder and toilet is a key issue.
Second Edit: Although if I was Nels, I would have asked yesterday. "Mr. Pistorius, if you were truly looking for Reeva after you 'shot the intruder', why didn't you turn on the lights first?' ; and
"Mr Pistorius, if you were really frightened about the intruder, why wouldn't you have tried to open the toilet door after the shots?" (establishing the locked door earlier)
Third Edit: I would have also asked earlier "Where does Reeva normally keep her mobile"?
Answer: Most likely, I don't know but next to her.
That way he could have established movement on the right hand side of the bed that he should have noticed.
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No, it's a court stenographer that Sky has hired. She transcribes as she watches the trial
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Only now I'm thinking: OP's texted messages to Reeva (both more than 1700) were always friendly or at least decently in the verbiage. He shall verbally can also be very rude. Certainly OP had/has always great fear, his second side could be uncovered by an sms once.
Normal would be, to scold at the girlfriend in a sms too, not only verbally.
Therefore I could imagine, the drama on 13.2. has to do with cell/call/sms.
Believe it or not, I do agree with you.
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Has it been determined,as fact, the denim on the floor were Reevas, other than Oscars version that they are? I may be wrong. But they look suspiciously like men's and as Oscar liked to store his legs in the trousers, if he was in a super hurry trying to get his legs on and pulled them through, his socks would have pulled off and reason for him to add he had to put his socks on as well. This fits with him having no legs in his acts of intimidation and gun fire, then trot off to get his legs phones etc. He also had little blood on the base of his socks in photos yet we have been told they had been taken in the garage?
As we also still have no explanation to 'other' pants. Not neatly out the window.
As we also still have no explanation to 'other' pants. Not neatly out the window.
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Legs already on, bat already in the bathroom, door already bashed or now bashed with towel tied around ..... etc. etc.?????
Jeez, you laughed hard. I wish I could laugh hard. I hardly slept a wink all night, I was so uptight.
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