Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #4

The vehicle was seen in the area the night of the incident driving in the area several times and we believe that the person in that vehicle may have information that will assist us in our investigation.

It was spotted during the course of the evening and the course of when we believe the incident occurred.

Right now we believe that person has information, or may have information in relation to our investigation.

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Stirner said:

The idea that DG could have been involved in MH's death is preposterous. ...This entire line of thinking is based on a misunderstanding of why someone would assume the identity of a dead child,

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Stirner said:

Considering DG successfully sued the govt. for unemployment insurance benefits under the false identity, I wouldn't be surprised if the current charge against him is a continuation of benefits seeking behavior under the false identity, namely welfare cheques...

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Canadianmom2three said:

As a Mom of 3, I've left my child at my mothers place if they fell asleep and they had no issues. My guess is that JO had no problem leaving her sleeping son with her parents. She also stated that grandma is like a second mom.

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huckleberryhound said:

One of the things that Ive wondered about from the beginning in this case, is why would the bodies need to be removed from the house, would'nt it be easier to make it look like a burglary gone bad, it would be hard work and very risky to drag bodies around and transport them in your own vehicle. I think maybe the reason the bodies couldn't be left in the house is that there were not three bodies. Three people going missing is a whole different scenario than if, say, two bodies were found and one person missing. DG has no history of violent crime, but has knowledge of identity theft . He might be a good person to know if you wanted to make yourself disappear.

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huckleberryhound said:

One of the things that Ive wondered about from the beginning in this case, is why would the bodies need to be removed from the house, would'nt it be easier to make it look like a burglary gone bad, it would be hard work and very risky to drag bodies around and transport them in your own vehicle. I think maybe the reason the bodies couldn't be left in the house is that there were not three bodies. Three people going missing is a whole different scenario than if, say, two bodies were found and one person missing. DG has no history of violent crime, but has knowledge of identity theft . He might be a good person to know if you wanted to make yourself disappear.

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musicaljoke said:

The picture may have been published in order to get additional information, details they could obtain from witnesses .. did someone see the perp(s) get into the truck, were there witnesses to the events involving the truck during the night at the L's home? Where else was the truck seen on the night of the crime?

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ztzt said:

Nope.

It's very reasonable for the original person whose ID was stolen to happen to be a victim of a fatal car accident. But my thinking was based on DG's having been traumatized (enough to be told to the court) by a "horrific car crash" caused by himself. This accident seems to have great significance in his life and later behaviors. While you, at 17, thought of going to the library to obtain a fake ID, I could envision a scenario that in the event of me causing the accidental death of someone, my guilt may make me do anything to make that person to "live on" in some form.

Now if (suppose) DG was the driver in that accident and somehow managed to escape, and suppose officials never found the driver who caused the accident (say the license plate was either not there or unrecognizable), then he would be able to fake MKH's ID without a legal link.

In short, however unlikely you may think it is, it's not impossible that DG is involved in MKH's death. It's possible either way until we have sufficient evidence to dismiss one.

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Matt’s Hartley’s mother, June, said the family didn’t know Douglas Garland. Reached at her nursing home, she declined to speak further about her dead son.

“No. There would be no point. No point at all,” she told the National Post.

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The teen was at the wheel of a car near his family’s ranch in Cardston, about 3½ hours south of Calgary, when he hit a half-ton truck.

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Jackie87 said:

I agree with this. However, I also think that if a heated exchange took place and someone was hurt (for example, trying to forcefully remove him from their home and a fight ensuing), it's not so out of the ordinary that adrenaline and/or panic could have taken over. He has no history of violent crimes that LE is aware of. JMO.

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MSNurse said:

BBM/UBM

Otto - I have been following this thread from the beginning...marking my spot each evening and resuming each morning. This was one of the first posts I read this morning after shutting down the iPad last night. Woah...I am assuming this is your theory?? I am holding out hope that the L's are being held somewhere with the sweet child, but am realistic in knowing that as time passes without a trace of them, the outcome can't be good.

FWIW, your posts are so thought provoking. Between you and a few others, I hang on every word.
Thanks for the great sleuthing and keeping our wheels turning in hopes that the family of 3 is found!

JMO

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SnooperDuper said:

Well MKH's mother does not know who the heck DG is:



http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...than-obrien-charged-with-possessing-false-id/

I would say if the half-ton vehicle remained at the accident scene and MKH's mother says she does not know of DG, DG wasn't involved in the accident that cause MKH's death.

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LitCrit said:

I just found an article from the Calgary Sun (the date says that it is from June 7th) that says that
Nathan’s father, Rod O’Brien, told the Sun a reward consisting of a “large sum” would be announced Wednesday in relation to the search for his family. The amount could exceed $100,000.
Is this a new indication that there will be an award out for the missing family? Or is it, as I suspect, the case that the website has partially updated some information without removing the "old" news about the reward. The reason that I bring this up is because the article title "large reward to be announced" makes it seems like it is a new development on the July 7th. It is a good principle to keep in mind when sleuthing.

Great sleuthing so far everyone. The thread is moving so quickly I wouldn't be surprised if someone else has already brought this up before I post .

Here is the link.

http://www.theobserver.ca/2014/07/0...lgary-grandparents-and-young-boy-went-missing

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ztzt said:

Well I was the one that first posted that link about the interview with MKH's mother in a nursing home so I'm well aware of it, and I already posted above that she didn't and doesn't have to know DG even if DG was the driver causing her son's death.

Once again that traumatizing "horrific car crash" DG caused seems to have had a significant, possibly decisive, impact on his life. What does "horrific" mean in that case? Fatal or near fatal?

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huckleberryhound said:

One of the things that Ive wondered about from the beginning in this case, is why would the bodies need to be removed from the house, would'nt it be easier to make it look like a burglary gone bad, it would be hard work and very risky to drag bodies around and transport them in your own vehicle. I think maybe the reason the bodies couldn't be left in the house is that there were not three bodies. Three people going missing is a whole different scenario than if, say, two bodies were found and one person missing. DG has no history of violent crime, but has knowledge of identity theft . He might be a good person to know if you wanted to make yourself disappear.

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Carol said:

Here's the fixed Calgary Herald link:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/c...sappearances+Nathan+Brien/10001950/story.html

I recall reading it. Frankly I suspect a minor piece of bad wording or jumping to conclusions there. The camera probably doesn't show the truck "circling the neighborhood" because the vantage point only shows a small section of street, not the whole neighborhood.

It probably shows the truck appearing multiple times throughout the course of the night. That could just as easily mean the truck was there at 11pm, then did some runs to and from Airdrie, appearing again at 1 am, 3 am, etc. It all depends on how long between the sightings. A few minutes? Sure, then it probably was "circling the neighborhood". But longer gaps in between appearances could mean multiple visits to and from the house.

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ztzt said:

Once again that traumatizing "horrific car crash" DG caused seems to have had a significant, possibly decisive, impact on his life. What does "horrific" mean in that case? Fatal or near fatal? I tend to think it's fatal.

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