GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #2

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Renee110 said:
hmm according to this article the baby can stay with her in jail until he/she is two.
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From a post of FigTree's on the previous page, it sounds as if two years old is/was the max age babies can stay, at least up to 2010.

Indonesia:
http://www.loc.gov/law/help/children....php#indonesia

According to secondary sources from 1990, 2000, and 2010, Indonesia permits mothers to keep their children with them in prison until those children reach the age of two. That age limit was also noted in 2008 by Heather Roy, a Member of Parliament in New Zealand, in a parliamentary discussion of legislation in that country on the topic of children remaining with incarcerated mothers.
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But from this article by the Foreign Prisoner Support Service in 2012, it sounds as though something has changed since 2010 ... or, in practise, they only let the babies stay in prison with mum for about 6 months.

"Inmate mothers who have given birth to babies during their incarceration are allowed to keep their babies in their cells, until approximately 6 months of age. Then their families take care of them since everyone agrees prison is no place for an innocent."

http://www.phaseloop.com/foreignprisoners/prison-indonesia03.html
 
Still thinking karma should step in and offer up a miscarriage ...

would probably be best for the innocent and just desserts for HM. JMHO
 
O/T - Comparison case:

Jakarta - “Lovebirds” case - overview: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/03/08/a-tale-teenage-love-gone-awry.html

 3/3/14: Sara [AS], 19, was killed in Jakarta allegedly by her former boyfriend [AIAH] and his new girlfriend, [AR]. [AIAH] allegedly killed her because she refused to keep in touch with him, while [AR] reported agreed to help because she was jealous of [Sara].
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3/5/14: Sara's body was found​
3/6/14: The “lovebirds” were arrested.​
8/6/14: Trial commenced and, as of 9/12/15, is currently ongoing
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So ... the "Lovebirds" case took five months from crime to start of trial. If Bali Suitcase Murder follows the same path, we're looking at Jan 2015 for start of trial.

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Wonder how the following Article 143 will affect the Bali Suitcase Murder case:

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/09/03/ade-sara-murder-case-indictment-full-holes.html

... Article 143 of the Criminal Law Procedures Code (KUHAP).

The article says that indictments are only deemed suitable if they can describe
who, when, where and how a crime was conducted. ...
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Note: Today marks one month since SWM found crammed in suitcase.
 
SouthAussie said:
From a post of FigTree's on the previous page, it sounds as if two years old is/was the max age babies can stay, at least up to 2010.


But from this article by the Foreign Prisoner Support Service in 2012, it sounds as though something has changed since 2010 ... or, in practise, they only let the babies stay in prison with mum for about 6 months.

"Inmate mothers who have given birth to babies during their incarceration are allowed to keep their babies in their cells, until approximately 6 months of age. Then their families take care of them since everyone agrees prison is no place for an innocent."

http://www.phaseloop.com/foreignprisoners/prison-indonesia03.html
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I hope 6 months is the max. A prison, no matter how nice, is NO place for a toddler. At least a baby wouldn't have the awareness of it's surroundings. Heather deserves to have to baby taken away at child birth. She's too selfish to be a mother, she sure was too selfish to be a daughter!
 
Quester said:
Still thinking karma should step in and offer up a miscarriage ...

would probably be best for the innocent and just desserts for HM. JMHO
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Maybe her smoking will cause that???
 
Did I read right that HM and TS's doctor appointments overlapped by 15 minutes or so? I wonder if they were kept apart.
 
Quester said:
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Unborn baby of pregnant teen facing death penalty for murdering her mother in Bali 'suitcase killing' get its OWN lawyer
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2752362/Unborn-baby-pregnant-teen-accused-Bali-body-suitcase-murder-gets-U-S-lawyer-born-notorious-prison-mother-faces-death-penalty.html
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HM's not really showing her pregnancy yet. There's that other picture where there's not much of a baby bump just yet. Isn't she about 3 mos. pregnant now?

Thanks Everyone for All the Updates.

Legal proceedings go faster in Bali it sounds. Time she'll spend looking at her hands.
Once, she flashed her hands around so proud of that red nail polish, and now it is only an ugly reminder she can use to watch time pass by.

Was it the same clinic? Did she and TS actually see each other or talk? I doubt it. Oh, yes, as someone said about his clinic visit, they would have to find out if he's the father of the baby.
 
From that USA Today link: "Security-camera footage shows Tommy Schaefer, the boyfriend of Mack's daughter Heather, hiding something under his shirt as he entered Sheila Mack's hotel room on Aug. 12, the day she died, police said."

ETA: that article is full of information.
 
So, Tommy has a barrister from Reprieve UK, Sue Carpenter, working with him and his new pro bono Indonesian lawyer. Sounds as if he has attained free legal assistance, and very experienced assistance it is. It may save him from the firing squad.


“She sits on the Board of Equipo Nizkor's UK branch and was previously a trustee of the human rights charity Reprieve. Sue is a barrister, non-practising in the UK and admitted to practise in the State of New York”

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...eople/sue-carpenter+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au


“Reprieve delivers justice and saves lives, from death row to Guantánamo Bay.
We investigate, we litigate and we educate, working on the frontline, providing legal support to prisoners unable to pay for it themselves.
Reprieve prioritises the cases of prisoners accused of the most extreme crimes, such as acts of murder or terrorism, as it is in such cases that human rights are most likely to be jettisoned or eroded.”

http://www.reprieve.org.uk/about/
 
This is Tommy’s new pro bono Indonesian lawyer …


"Mr Suroso has earned a reputation as a successful defender of those facing drugs charges in Bali, a beach-paradise where drug use has ballooned since the late 1990s.

Mr Suroso, who has worked as a lawyer in Bali for 25 years, mostly handling narcotics cases, also handled the case of a professional Japanese surfer who had been arrested for possession of marijuana. He only served six months."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...or-drug-smuggling-says-they-are-innocent.html
 
And this is what Mr Suroso says about pre-charge detention in Bali ....


"Under Indonesian law they can be held in detention for twenty days, however if the court requires an extension it can be extended to 40 days. The maximum time they can spend in detention before being transferred to the prison authorities is three months."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...or-drug-smuggling-says-they-are-innocent.html
 
Quester said:
Indonesia cops press boyfriend in suitcase murder case
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/09/12/bali-indonesia-suitcase-murder/15516571/
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Hiandmighty said:
From that USA Today link: "Security-camera footage shows Tommy Schaefer, the boyfriend of Mack's daughter Heather, hiding something under his shirt as he entered Sheila Mack's hotel room on Aug. 12, the day she died, police said."

ETA: that article is full of information.
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You're right. Thanks for pointing that out. This article tells more details.

I had it all wrong that TS went down to the 3rd floor and carried the body in the suitcase up the stairs. Remember that article saying he mistakenly climbed an extra floor to the 7th floor lugging a suitcase? Ah, so TS's room was on the 3rd floor! TS was seen going into Room 616 with something hidden under his shirt. What was it?

Indonesia cops press boyfriend in suitcase murder case
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/09/12/bali-indonesia-suitcase-murder/15516571/

"Security-camera footage shows Schaefer entering the Macks' room — number 616 — at 8:40 a.m. Aug. 12. Heather Mack is seen leaving the room for the first time at 9:52 a.m. Coroners have put the time of Sheila Mack's death around the time the Macks and Schaefer were in the room."

"Footage showed Heather Mack making several trips between Rooms 317 and 616 after 9:52 a.m., carrying baggage and clothes, police said."

BBM
 
Yeah, this time I don't think it was a blunt he was hiding. :notgood:

What do you think it was? Wish I could've seen his surprised face when they showed him the security-camera footage.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/09/12/bali-indonesia-suitcase-murder/15516571/

"Security-camera footage shows Tommy Schaefer, the boyfriend of Mack's daughter Heather, hiding something under his shirt as he entered Sheila Mack's hotel room on Aug. 12, the day she died, police said."

BBM
 
Curious Me said:
Yeah, this time I don't think it was a blunt he was hiding. :notgood:

What do you think it was? Wish I could've seen his surprised face when they showed him the security-camera footage.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/09/12/bali-indonesia-suitcase-murder/15516571/

"Security-camera footage shows Tommy Schaefer, the boyfriend of Mack's daughter Heather, hiding something under his shirt as he entered Sheila Mack's hotel room on Aug. 12, the day she died, police said."

BBM
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Duct tape? A gang of six men? :eek:
 
Not sure how much of that recent article to believe as I'm pretty sure they got the room number wrong for Sheila and the story about them taking the other suitcases out of the taxi but leaving the one wrapped in the bloody sheet seems odd. And a receptionist noticed the bloody sheet wrapped around the suitcase, asked about it and got a plausible answer? What might that be? I'm also really confused now about who was staying where and at what time did anyone go to bed. We've got stories of SWM in the lobby at 3:45am, a wake up call from her room at 6:45am and now we've got this story saying that Tommy didn't go to the room until 8:40am. We also have HM in SWM's room the whole time until 9:52am. So when was this supposed to have happened? And what was under Tommy's shirt? When did they dump the suitcases in the garden?

Oh and this story also says that SWM was arguing that TS should pay for his own room, not HM and TS.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/09/12/bali-indonesia-suitcase-murder/15516571/
 
SouthAussie said:
This is Tommy’s new pro bono Indonesian lawyer …


"Mr Suroso has earned a reputation as a successful defender of those facing drugs charges in Bali, a beach-paradise where drug use has ballooned since the late 1990s.

Mr Suroso, who has worked as a lawyer in Bali for 25 years, mostly handling narcotics cases, also handled the case of a professional Japanese surfer who had been arrested for possession of marijuana. He only served six months."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...or-drug-smuggling-says-they-are-innocent.html
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Is this normal for foreign persons detained in Bali to receive this kind of attention and pro bono attorneys?
 
SouthAussie said:
So, Tommy has a barrister from Reprieve UK, Sue Carpenter, working with him and his new pro bono Indonesian lawyer. Sounds as if he has attained free legal assistance, and very experienced assistance it is. It may save him from the firing squad.


“She sits on the Board of Equipo Nizkor's UK branch and was previously a trustee of the human rights charity Reprieve. Sue is a barrister, non-practising in the UK and admitted to practise in the State of New York”

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...eople/sue-carpenter+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au


“Reprieve delivers justice and saves lives, from death row to Guantánamo Bay.
We investigate, we litigate and we educate, working on the frontline, providing legal support to prisoners unable to pay for it themselves.
Reprieve prioritises the cases of prisoners accused of the most extreme crimes, such as acts of murder or terrorism, as it is in such cases that human rights are most likely to be jettisoned or eroded.”

http://www.reprieve.org.uk/about/
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So this organization is hoping that the publicity from this case will help them to get more donations?
 
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