VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #6

Heroine said:

Okay guys I've been gone for a day celebrating my 1 years olds birthday. What did I miss? I'm so tired and I can't read all this right now. Can anyone give me a breakdown or did I not miss anything?

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song22 said:

Absolutely. I know there are psychopath killers out there like that. It's just that in all the cases I have followed here at Websleuths, I've only seen one that was like that--where the perp absoultely had NO red flags whatseoever. Every other case the perp had red flags. Weird social media. weird friends. weird behaviors. a criminal record. something! I know it happens the other way, I just think it's less probable. It would be incredible if this turned out to be one of those serial-killer psychopath style cases (especially if MH was connected). But right now, the fact that this POI has so many people (even people here on Websleuths!) who doubt it--well, for me that carries weight--for now--until I hear more evidence of course.

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Just K said:

They've used dogs, helicopters and today an estimated 1,500 boots on the ground:
For a full week there has been no sign or evidence found to suggest that HG is lost, injured, or deceased within the general City limits of Charlottesville. But, IMO, that detail suggests that she was likely taken away in a vehicle.

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gitana1 said:

But that's just the thing: AS a general rule, you don't. Innocent people do not "lawyer up" typically. (Sometimes even the guilty don't). In my experience, as an attorney whose law partner is a criminal defense lawyer, innocent people tend to immediately talk, give DNA, give their alibis, etc. It's not until they realize they are being targeted by police or arrested that they realize they should probably get counsel. And this goes for very intelligent people as well.

But I guess that's neither here nor there, as this guy hasn't lawyered up yet, right? And I see that some are saying he's been quiet but do we know that? IF he's not cooperating and talking, that would be a red flag to me. Because it;s not about what we should do. It's about what people tend to do. It's about profiling. (Or trying to!)

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Skigirl said:

Gosh this broadcast is a hot mess. When did news anchors start wearing evening dresses? And they've cued up the wrong image for the mentally ill mother whose kids are missing, showing instead, the sister who is working with her brother to run 185 miles as a fundraiser. And the guy outside the POI's apartment seemed surprised cameras were on him at all. Geesh. Where is the interview with the POI's close associate?

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Skigirl said:

I watch too much real crime TV and my best friend is a defense attorney, so although I never have any intention of committing a crime, I wouldn't talk to LE about anything beyond a speeding ticket without at least consulting an attorney first. Maybe I'm just weird.

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birdbox said:

Maybe it is just me, but even when I was a senior in college, I could pick out the 18 and 19 year olds. They looked like kids to me...even more so when I was 32. If a person has lived on or near a college campus for a long time, such as a guy who is 32, I would think he has become an expert at picking out underage kids.

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netsleuth said:

She is under the drinking age, but she is not a minor as she is over 18.

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colette said:

Snipped by me... POI is NOT an OR nurse. He is a person that transfers and moves patients from OR to other areas of the hospital. He does NOT have access to drugs in this position.

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Claudia said:

I live in a tiny college town, right at the college. I drive through hoards of college kids every time I leave my house. It's so hard to tell ages, especially when you're talking about the difference of just a few years. JMO

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SthrnRaine said:

^^^ This has been my opinion of the "I'm lost" text for awhile now. I don't believe she could have been that unfamiliar with the area after living there for two years as an active part of the student body. In the event she was that confused, there where plenty of people and places along the way for her to get directions. In my opinion she was ditching her friends for a reason.

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IHAVENOCLUE said:

whoooaaahhh!

thanks!

good to know!

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Macpad said:

Her next destination is the downtown mall. Think of that feeling you've had sometime in your life that you're missing the party, the fun. Thus to close the distance she runs for a while and that's what's caught on the Shell video footage.

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Skigirl said:

I watch too much real crime TV and my best friend is a defense attorney, so although I never have any intention of committing a crime, I wouldn't talk to LE about anything beyond a speeding ticket without at least consulting an attorney first. Maybe I'm just weird.

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MzOpinion8d said:

I have seen numerous comments about how unlikely it would be for the dreadlocks guy to put his arm around Hannah if he didn't know her, and in some situations that's correct. However, that time of night, in a "party" atmosphere so to speak, it doesn't surprise me at all. My cousin and I, both white, had two black guys come up to us at a bar we were at one night and they each slid an arm around one of us. We looked at them, surprised, and the one by my cousin leaned in and said, "I just want to bite you..." LOL it was bizarre and we just walked away! We live in a college town with a large student population so I would guess it's similar to Hannah's town and crowd.

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