Hannah Graham: The Search - #4

ksj3 · Oct 14, 2014

Flash flood watch through tomorrow morning. 2-3 inches of rain over a period of a few hours. (per NWS)

razzledazzle · Oct 14, 2014

themom said:
I am of the opinion that like this guy who idolized Bundy, JM has a thing for the serial killer who used the Galveston beach as one of his mass burial sites. Why else would he go there? I don't get it.
I am starting to think there is a mass gravesite somewhere in VA where he's buried other victims. Anyone else feel this way?

The Galveston thing is one heck of coincidence.... idk, it's possible... I'm also curious of the possibility, of local rural cemeteries...

themom · Oct 14, 2014

razzledazzle said:
The Galveston thing is one heck of coincidence.... idk, it's possible... I'm also curious of the possibility, of local rural cemeteries...

That's a good idea, too. Very possible.

FindHG · Oct 14, 2014

themom said:
That's a good idea, too. Very possible.

I don't think anything he did was accidental. It just gruesome to think that it may have mattered to him enough to go there and that may have felt safe there somehow, in his element.

carbuff · Oct 14, 2014

themom said:
I am of the opinion that like this guy who idolized Bundy, JM has a thing for the serial killer who used the Galveston beach as one of his mass burial sites. Why else would he go there? I don't get it.
I am starting to think there is a mass gravesite somewhere in VA where he's buried other victims. Anyone else feel this way?

Plausible, but if that was the case, why wasn't Morgan's body buried there as well? And wouldn't going to the same area increase his likelihood of being seen?

I wonder how thoroughly they searched those abandoned factory buildings just off Water Street. I kind of think maybe she never left town -- that he did the deed there and just left her.

Pacific2011 · Oct 14, 2014

I agree with Eileen Hawkeye, Post 376:

I have read here that the fact that Hannah is a UVa student has made university and local LE more motivated to do everything possible to find her than they ever were when Morgan went missing because Morgan was a student at Virginia Tech and in Charlottesville only to attend a concert. . . .

Not sure how to include this with a quote of Post 376!

themom · Oct 14, 2014

carbuff said:
Plausible, but if that was the case, why wasn't Morgan's body buried there as well? And wouldn't going to the same area increase his likelihood of being seen?

I wonder how thoroughly they searched those abandoned factory buildings just off Water Street. I kind of think maybe she never left town -- that he did the deed there and just left her.

I wonder, but wouldn't the smell be intense at this stage, if she was left in the building downtown?

He may have started the mass burial site after MH, realizing that burying is the way to go undetected.

themom · Oct 14, 2014

FindHG said:
I don't think anything he did was accidental. It just gruesome to think that it may have mattered to him enough to go there and that may have felt safe there somehow, in his element.

So creepy. It seems too big of a coincidence that he would end up THERE, of all places. To hide from an abduction/possible rape and murder charge...

carbuff · Oct 15, 2014

themom said:
I wonder, but wouldn't the smell be intense at this stage, if she was left in the building downtown?

He may have started the mass burial site after MH, realizing that burying is the way to go undetected.

I think by now the smell would be gone...and if he left her in an enclosed space, such as a closet or stairwell, it might not travel very far.

razzledazzle · Oct 15, 2014

As a final thought before I go the sleep.... I don't know much about SAR, but I pray that the heavy rain helps more than hinders the search. Back in the Spring, here in SC, remains were located when water receded from a swollen waterway.... maybe some evidence will rise to the surface.

themom · Oct 15, 2014

carbuff said:
I think by now the smell would be gone...and if he left her in an enclosed space, such as a closet or stairwell, it might not travel very far.

Oh, true. Oh goodness. [emoji55]

carbuff · Oct 15, 2014

I know. It's so sad to think she's out there and we know she's there but we can't find her...

Piaget · Oct 15, 2014

I'm so sorry if this has already been covered, but do we have a source saying that LE is actually now working with real cell phone ping evidence?

Snoods · Oct 15, 2014

themom said:
I am of the opinion that like this guy who idolized Bundy, JM has a thing for the serial killer who used the Galveston beach as one of his mass burial sites. Why else would he go there? I don't get it.
I am starting to think there is a mass gravesite somewhere in VA where he's buried other victims. Anyone else feel this way?

I have my own theory about how JM knew about and chose an obscure place like Bolivar Peninsula on Galveston Island to lay low. I'd be willing to bet he'd heard of Galveston Island because of the annual Beach Party Weekend. Maybe even been there himself partaking in the festivities.

Starting back in the '90's a black fraternity called Kappa Alpha Psi started hosting an annual Beach Party Weekend in Galveston every year. It grew every year until approximately 250,000 black college students (and non students) from all over the United States would converge upon Galveston for this event. It was a HUGE deal. But in later years it started to get out of control.

Crowds have become decidedly less collegiate -- Kappa Alpha Psi disassociated itself from the event a few years ago -- and increasingly vocal citizens complain that the event has become little more than an exercise in lawlessness and near-total disregard for island sensibilities.

Back when JLM was in college the Beach Party Weekend in Galveston would have been in it's hayday. It was advertised heavily and well known to young black college students throughout the United States.

http://http://www.houstonpress.com/2002-04-11/news/beach-party-blues/

LI-Mom · Oct 15, 2014

SolVol said:
Look up Hugh Carr.

JLM's grandfather or grandmother (if Carr is JLM's grandmother, Christine's maiden name) may be descended from Hugh Carr.

http://ivycreekfoundation.org/history/familyhistory/carr_genealogy.htm

Not her maiden name.

Don't think we can sleuth relatives up here.

I did come across something that mentioned the Carr farm becoming the Ivy area mentioned, and that area of C'Ville was an area of black farmers. I don't know if it was owned by JM's ancestors though and was probably within the 8 mile radius that has been searched.

ETA: Misunderstood, thought you meant Hugh was his grandfather. I haven't gone back far wrt geneology.

D'oh! That's the site I read about the farmers in that area.

FindHG · Oct 15, 2014

Students react to Hannah Graham's abduction (not sure where to post this, so here it is)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1ERaoAJY3o

One month after Hannah Graham disappeared, parents issue another plea (10/14/14 3:11 pm)
http://www.c-ville.com/family-marks-one-month-since-hannah-grahams-disappearance/#.VD3_bp6JOuY

carbuff · Oct 15, 2014

Snoods said:
I have my own theory about how JM knew about and chose an obscure place like Bolivar Peninsula on Galveston Island to lay low. I'd be willing to bet he'd heard of Galveston Island because of the annual Beach Party Weekend. Maybe even been there himself partaking in the festivities.

Starting back in the '90's a black fraternity called Kappa Alpha Psi started hosting an annual Beach Party Weekend in Galveston every year. It grew every year until approximately 250,000 black college students (and non students) from all over the United States would converge upon Galveston for this event. It was a HUGE deal. But in later years it started to get out of control.

Back when JLM was in college the Beach Party Weekend in Galveston would have been in it's hayday. It was advertised heavily and well known to young black college students throughout the United States.

http://http://www.houstonpress.com/2002-04-11/news/beach-party-blues/

So that's a well-known party place.

Anchorage Farm was apparently known as a party place.

What other farms and remote locations around Charlottesville are known as party places? Would those be more likely places for him to take a body?

ksj3 · Oct 15, 2014

carbuff said:
So that's a well-known party place.

Anchorage Farm was apparently known as a party place.

What other farms and remote locations around Charlottesville are known as party places? Would those be more likely places for him to take a body?

Field parties are a pretty big thing around here, particularly with certain crowds.

Snoods · Oct 15, 2014

carbuff said:
So that's a well-known party place.

Anchorage Farm was apparently known as a party place.

What other farms and remote locations around Charlottesville are known as party places? Would those be more likely places for him to take a body?

Beach party weekend at Galveston in April is known to be extremely wild, sex in public, etc. Something that JM more than likely heard about and piqued his curiosity.

I don't necessarily think he took Hannah's body there, because I believe he would be too
apprehensive of a police tail. But I do think he thought he himself could hide out there under the radar for a while.

FindHG · Oct 15, 2014

Snoods said:
Beach party weekend at Galveston in April is known to be extremely wild, sex in public, etc. Something that JM more than likely heard about and piqued his curiosity.

I don't necessarily think he took Hannah's body there, because I believe he would be too
apprehensive of a police tail. But I do think he thought he himself could hide out there under the radar for a while.

Would you guess he knew about the significance of where he was?

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