JLM: Other Possible Victims - #2

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I have a new theory...it came to me when I was posting on RT/JM board, but I think it belongs her too so I'm gonna throw it out there:

Maybe this has been discussed at length...but you know how drug dealers...its like a pyramid, you might know the one up from you, meaning who you get it from, but you don't know who they get it from....and you know who you give it to...but may not know who they then sell it to if they don't intend to smoke it themselves.

Well from observation it seems the guys that sell to the end point...usually have better "curb appeal"....and the ones who tend to take more risks, meaning be willing to have larger supply and more money in there possession at one time tend to be a little rougher around the edges, and have "less to loose" like your middle men I guess....then the further up you go they don't just have curb appeal, but there clean cut and likely business men. ... Well do you suppose JM and RT where connection points on one of these type of webs?

OMG I just had a totally ah ha moment! That's it! Its drugs! All these cases! Hear me out: it might not be what you think I'm thinking..

.I think he has a connection point to the higher ups of this web. Im not saying its because he's necessarily related to them, of course thats possible, but it could also be because he has known them for a while and gained there trust. (there is an interesting case that you can feel free to sleuth regarding the owner of a certain company we are all well aware he worked for, its history may or may not be applicable).

I think its possible early on when he was part of this "web" he was just a street dealer....could HS athlete of the year also been the school dealer?...hmmmm....i've known a few of those types....or did he become involved with them later, After getting kicked out of college? Did dealing help him develop his smooth approach, the ability to act like he knew a total stranger? ....

I think its possible the taxi company could have been a way to launder money and "legally" keep JM on the pay roll. I think, all just theory of course, that as JM gained their trust he moved up in ranks, and I think about the time he applied for his taxi license is likely when he got promoted to some type of transporter. I think he would have been the one RT would have gotten his supply from. I think if RAT to rat out JM he knows its not just JM he has to worry about. He's choosing his words very very carefully.

Here's the thing, I do not think the murders, meaning the reasons for them, have anything to do with the actual drugs themselves. But if they start piecing together JM's activities, there's the potential to get a whole lot more people in trouble for other reasons.

I have been going through the missing list with a fine tooth comb, there are some that aren't him for sure, but there is a pattern. Left all personal belonging behind, missing with little info, often from grocery or convenience stores, women who were alone walking....some of them known addicts and prostitutes down on their luck. I don't think he tried to sell to all these women, but in some cases I suspect that's how he was given opportunity to murder them, others I think just crossed his unfortunate path, perhaps even when he was in places for "business". Its interesting that there happens to be a major port in an area highly suspect of repeat offenses.

Having access to this web would have also given him access to drugs, and I can see JM using that to "make friends" with "pretty girls" even when he was not really a " street dealer" anymore. Maybe he gave them free "goodies" because it was the only way he could get girls to "flirt" with him.

It could explain how he could strike up a conversation with a stranger, and have them casually walk away with him, unnoticed.

I'm not suggesting HG bought drugs from JM, though we don't know for sure she didn't , and it certainly wouldn't make her the first college girl to do that.

I think the rapes/ murders are on JM alone though. I don't think they are part of the web, I think he's a serial killer, who happens to be a drug dealer....who's drug connection was often a contributing factor in selection of victim...location, approach...etc. I think it gave him access points to victims he wouldn't otherwise have without this connection. But I think he murdered because he is very very ill!

I dunno, all just a theory of course, maybe its bordering on too far fetched....but wow...if I hadn't studied the victim lists today...

I think the use of the cab company to sell drugs could be right on and this sort of set up seems like it would be right up JMs ally for getting to girls. Nothing to do with this case, but because drugs is money, there can be what folks consider prominent businessmen, politicians, LE involved in the drug web and then try to cover up when they realize they have a guy like JM on the payroll. I know JM would have not been hired at our local hospitals with what was already showing on his record which indicates no respect for going by rules. How in the heck a ma doodles did someone hire him to work in a hospital?
 
Another case that seems eerily familiar (grabbed from behind). From the same link as the above information.

January 22, 2013

To members of the University community:

The University of Virginia Police Department responded to a forcible fondling of a U.Va. student shortly after 8:30 p.m. on Monday.

The victim was walking near Wilson Hall when an unidentified male approached her from behind, putting an arm around her neck and fondling her breast and genitalia with the other hand. The suspect then fled on foot toward Varsity Hall.

At the time of the incident the suspect was wearing black gloves. No other description is available at this time.

Anyone having information related to this incident should call Crimestoppers at 434-977-4000 or the Charlottesville Police at 434-970-3280.

Link: http://www.virginia.edu/uvapolice/safety.html
 
I have spent the last 2 days, and I'm still plugging away and compiling a very thorough list, cross referencing anything we know about him at that time, considering location, cross referencing info with things people have posted, multiple data bases...etc etc.... and trying to figure out which ones i think are highly likely to be JM, the ones i think have next to no likelihood, and the ones I'm just not sure about...I'm not quite done with VA, and there are a few things I want to look into in other states but I will post it when I'm done....SHE is who I think might be his first victim!!!

I have felt the same thing about Jaisle Elizabeth Smith. Strongly enough to send her name in to the CPD Tip Line a while back.

Speaking of the Hwy 29 stalker - I'm wondering if JLM knew and was mentored by or was influenced by the stories of the Hwy 29 stalker.

It is possible there could have been more than one stalker/rapist/murderer along that corridor and in the area because of the mixed MOs.

For example, the two women whose throats were slit in 1996 in the State Park.
Then there were the Heidi Childs and David Metzler murders - they were shot.
And the group of murders in the 1980s on the Colonial Parkway.

There are some who believe Randy Taylor was one of the stalkers along with Darryl Rice who was convicted of one attack in which the victim escaped. Rice is out of prison now and his whereabouts unknown.
 
And another:

December 12, 2010

To the University community:

Charlottesville Police are investigating a forcible fondling incident that occurred outside a pub on the Corner. The victim reported that a black male, 5'10" tall, wearing a black hoodie, walked up to her and fondled her shortly after 1 a.m. on Dec. 12, 2010.

If you have information related to this crime, call Crimestoppers at 434-977-4000 or the Charlottesville Police at 434-970-3280. <snipped by me>

In this time frame there are several forcible fondling cases that appear to have been caused by a white male in his 20's, who also struck from behind. FWIW
 
Okay, last link (sorry for the multiple posts)

May 17, 2013

To the University community:
Information about a forcible fondling incident on a University student was issued Friday by the Charlottesville Police Department. I urge all of you to be aware of your surroundings, to trust your instincts and to call 911 immediately if you feel you may be in a dangerous situation.
City police issued the press release provided below, regarding this incident.

Michael A. Gibson
Chief of Police

PRESS RELEASE: Forcible Fondling
DATE: May 17, 2013
BY: Lt. Ronnie Roberts, Charlottesville Police Department

Shortly after 1 a.m. this morning a female U.Va. student was walking north in the 300 block of 15th Street NW when she was approached from behind and fondled. The suspect fled as the victim screamed. The suspect ran in a southerly direction on 15th Street NW.

The suspect is described as a black male being 6 feet in height, heavy build, with dark clothing. Anyone with information about this case is asked to call Crime Stoppers 434-977-4000.

Emphasis added by me.
 
I think the use of the cab company to sell drugs could be right on and this sort of set up seems like it would be right up JMs ally for getting to girls. Nothing to do with this case, but because drugs is money, there can be what folks consider prominent businessmen, politicians, LE involved in the drug web and then try to cover up when they realize they have a guy like JM on the payroll. I know JM would have not been hired at our local hospitals with what was already showing on his record which indicates no respect for going by rules. How in the heck a ma doodles did someone hire him to work in a hospital?

Perhaps a CA was also involved?
 
I think the use of the cab company to sell drugs could be right on and this sort of set up seems like it would be right up JMs ally for getting to girls. Nothing to do with this case, but because drugs is money, there can be what folks consider prominent businessmen, politicians, LE involved in the drug web and then try to cover up when they realize they have a guy like JM on the payroll. I know JM would have not been hired at our local hospitals with what was already showing on his record which indicates no respect for going by rules. How in the heck a ma doodles did someone hire him to work in a hospital?

In Charlottesville, the country estate set who want to 'party' keep the name of their favorite cab driver and engage them to take them to the mall for the evening and pick them back up and get them home discretely if they are in a compromised state. Then there is no risk of DUI or drug charges.

It would not be too much of a stretch to think the cabbie might have the customer's favorite 'refreshments' 'entertainment' 'escorts' and/or 'itinerary' available tailored to the clients' tastes...all for a price. A new client might get some carefully veiled hints and suggestions.

After the bars close, there are usually lots of sales people on the Charlottesville downtown mall offering drugs.
 
clipped, respectfully

Maybe they already had tested all the DNA and there was no hit, considering LE had performed it for Morgan Harrington already and it hit for this predator. A no hit result with the new test would make the perp, already convicted for consecutive life terms for Alexis Murphy, that much more culpable too. Either way, I think you're instincts are right about going through the whole list and keeping the threads separate to help.

Perhaps they tested ALL the DNA in the AM, which i think is what you are referencing, but I really don't think they did. They would have had to run it through CODIS to see a DNA link but they are costly, and it can take 8 months to get results. So my guess is that even in some cases when they did have DNA, and it was a case that wasn't considered "high priority", and they weren't getting a lot of pressure to solve it, they never bothered to run it through CODIS. Which would mean not only was there no chance to find a match, but that sample would have never been put in the system. In the AM case I don't think they ran that unidentified DNA through CODIS because they had tunnel vision and plenty of circumstantial evidence on RT....why wait 8 months when they already have someone who looks guilty as sin.

I also do not think they ran that DNA in CODIS in the AM case because of the speed at which they were able to create a case around RT....and bring him to trial. Even if they ran that Unidentified DNA right around the time they found the car...results wouldn't have come back until deep into building there case against RT. if that DNA were to have a match in CODIS....it would have give grounds to prolong the trial against JT, because they would have to go back through there whole investigation, and rebuild the peices. I think they wanted RT to fry so bad, they wouldn't have gone through this, and risk maybe weakening the case against RT.
 
Interesting, thanks. Why did he stick out? That whole taxi deal seemed like it may have been a kind of an enabling source of sorts, not necessarily culpable for nor implicated in the rapes and murders this perp may have committed. The taxi boss guy was said to be off the radar still. One of this perp's colleagues, from his taxi days, has been public about his impressions of the perp from when the Morgan Harrington case was being investigated.

If you read through the theory I proposed...the answer to this would be....at least in my opinion....not that the drugs and murders where directly related....rather that JM was a SK who also happens to work for so e type of drug "ring". I think he would have been a SK w/ out the drug thing....but I do think his involvement with an organization gave him the "means" which aided his ability to access victims. I think the clusters of women who vanished with out a trace...are kills he committed while on "business" trips. Like transporting drugs between cities in VA. But I think the killings where independent of his drug trade, I think killing women for pleasure was his thing alone.
 
There are a number of victims with connections to grocery or convenience stores.

12/26/96 - Linda Lunsford, 38 – Chesterfield County, VA - car found in Food Lion parking lot.
4/12/98 - Jaisle Elizabeth Thomas age 17 - missing no body found, car found bridge Henrico county near Richmond – worked at a grocery store.
7/24/03 – Autumn Wind Day – last seen Food Lion Grocery store – car found next day at Food Lion.
1/24/05 - Crystal Soles, 28 - missing no body found, last seen walking from Shaw’s Country Store in Andrews, S.C
9/24/2005 Fairfax rape victim – assaulted on the way home from a grocery store.
12/2006 – Shonda Stansbury – last seen running behind Information grocery store being chased by two men - http://www.nampn.org/cases/stansbury_shonda.html ; http://projectjason.org/forums/topic/366-missing-woman-shonda-stansbury-nc-12092006/
8/3/13 - Alexis Murphy, 17 black, last seen at Liberty gas station convenience store, Lovingston near Lynchburg - Randy Allen Taylor indicted

Ya I've been studying missing cases hard! There's something here....working on a big list, and I can't wait for everyone's input. Hopefully ill get it up today.
 
If Thinkhard is right about Jaisle Elizabeth Thomas this makes 3 possible victims that were acquired either en route to a grocery store or coming back from one.

Jaisle Elisabeth Thomas

The Fairfax rape victim

and Autumn Wind Day

Also, not sure if this has been posted here already or not

http://wavy.com/2014/09/30/newport-news-detectives-to-revisit-2003-disappearances/

Good to see that LE is apparently communicating with each other and looking into other possible victims as well.

Jaisle wasnt on way to a store, she was on her way to U Richmonds library to do some studying....she was a JR a Tucker HS in Richmond. Reports say they saw her walk away from her car, which was found on a bridge, with all personal belongings still in her car, except her car keys. They did mention one of the items as a bible, and t wasnt the only case the bible thing came up in cases...I thought it odd. JM would have been a Sophmore...I wonder if they knew each other from bible camp or some such Christian youth group. Perhaps a date gone very wrong? Maybe se was planning to meet him, but her parents wouldn't have approved of her being alone with a boy?
 
What he failed to realize is he could have gotten away with a lot more crimes as a big time football god.

Interesting you say that. Because despite being named Athlete of the Year....Monticello never actually progressed to even the playoffs when he was there. Additionally I have been cross referencing game dates, against incidents and locations...so I studied his entire football season calendar...

I couldn't help but notice that Liberty pretty much stunk at football! There record for 2000 was 8L - 3W, 2001 8L - 3W, 2002 9L - 2W. Additionally in 2003 when JM played for CNU, he likely only played in one game (Sept 6, in Glassboro, NJ), they lost, and he was accused of sexual assault on campus on Sept 7. Sophie May Rivera also disappeared on Sept 7.

I think this case is also likely JM and I haven't seen it on some of the lists:

-Feb.1/(Sat)/2003: Norfolk, VA - 19-year old Julie Marie Fraser ( not much known other then she was last seen at a bar...could this fit JM? Norfolk is 40 min from NN. We know he likes girls intoxicated? He would have been in the area. I think this could be a possible JM case)

Also I came across a case of a missing person from NYC, very little info...but she disappeared on Oct, 14, 2000, her name is Lordes Gruat....JM had a game in Hempstead NY (on Long Island) on Oct 13, 2000, they lost....did he go partying with his teammates that night in the big apple?

Ok I have to stop posting and work on that list so I can share it with you guys and get more eyes on it.
 
I think the use of the cab company to sell drugs could be right on and this sort of set up seems like it would be right up JMs ally for getting to girls. Nothing to do with this case, but because drugs is money, there can be what folks consider prominent businessmen, politicians, LE involved in the drug web and then try to cover up when they realize they have a guy like JM on the payroll. I know JM would have not been hired at our local hospitals with what was already showing on his record which indicates no respect for going by rules. How in the heck a ma doodles did someone hire him to work in a hospital?

Do misdemeanors show up on a background check?
 
Arianna Ivane Davis was only six weeks away from graduating from her massage therapy program at Fortis College. She'd take a bus to school, no car and her phone went dead. Police suspect foul play. This predator was known to have offered women massages. She was last seen purchasing cigars at a store and heading home
according to here: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/davis_arianna.html

"About 45 minutes after her brother, William, last saw his sister at home, he says Arianna was spotted at a nearby convenience store. William left briefly that day to visit their grandmother. When he returned, he says the backdoor was open and Arianna was gone. Her wallet, house keys, and identification were still at home. If you&#8217;ve seen her call Henrico police at (804) 501-5000. from here:http://www.queenofpith.com/?p=2427

"Nearly every weekday morning, Arianna was known to catch the bus on Nine Mile Road to go to school to study massage therapy."
Store clerk, Rose Singh, sold Arianna a cigar the day she vanished.
"She had a smile on her face and then she walked out the store,"

from here: http://www.nbc12.com/Global/story.asp?S=12427086

I wonder if he ever took courses or she could have been in this predator's path?
 
Arianna Ivane Davis was only six weeks away from graduating from her massage therapy program at Fortis College. She'd take a bus to school, no car and her phone went dead. Police suspect foul play. This predator was known to have offered women massages. She was last seen purchasing cigars at a store and heading home
according to here: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/davis_arianna.html

"About 45 minutes after her brother, William, last saw his sister at home, he says Arianna was spotted at a nearby convenience store. William left briefly that day to visit their grandmother. When he returned, he says the backdoor was open and Arianna was gone. Her wallet, house keys, and identification were still at home. If you&#8217;ve seen her call Henrico police at (804) 501-5000. from here:http://www.queenofpith.com/?p=2427

"Nearly every weekday morning, Arianna was known to catch the bus on Nine Mile Road to go to school to study massage therapy."
Store clerk, Rose Singh, sold Arianna a cigar the day she vanished.
"She had a smile on her face and then she walked out the store,"

from here: http://www.nbc12.com/Global/story.asp?S=12427086

I wonder if he ever took courses or could have been in this predator's path.

I'm not up on the marijuana scene, but don't people roll it in cigar leaves? Maybe she was expecting a little to be delivered to her home, went out front to meet the person and he hijacked her for more nefarious purposes. May be why her keys and all were still in the house. She hadn't anticipated going anywhere.
 
I think one of the ways he could have gotten several women alone, might have played out like this. I think he might have run into some of them at a convenience store, struck up a convo, probably had a pretty good eye for who would be interested in drugs and what kind. So he talks them up, hints about drugs, they agree to go somewhere to partake in "taking drugs". I highly doubt anyone would really notice two people in a casual conversation walking off together.

Now if you are going to go "do drugs" are you gonna stay out in public...or are you gonna go find an alley, or a dirt road, or behind a building....some place where it is very unlikely that anyone is just going to walk by....which would also be the perfect location for a murder. Perhaps sometimes he met them at stores, and they left with him in his car to go off somewhere. Anyway it would be the perfect way to have them go willingly to a remote location, without being noticed.

Side thought: I wonder with the women who went missing from grocery stores if the food they purchased was found in their car?
 
I'm not up on the marijuana scene, but don't people roll it in cigar leaves? Maybe she was expecting a little to be delivered to her home, went out front to meet the person and he hijacked her for more nefarious purposes. May be why her keys and all were still in the house. She hadn't anticipated going anywhere.

She could have purchased "blunt" wrappers at the convenience store, or perhaps rolling paper which is sold at places like that too.

....of course there's many other options too, bowls, bongs, water pipes, vapor pens, edibles...likely those wouldn't be sold at a convenience store....however I have seen bowls for sale at 7 elevens.

ETA: however fwiw usually blunts would be bought to share with a group, rather then btw two people.

Every single person I knew in college smoked weed, some even dealt...and we are talking college kids who had been wearing Brooks Brothers since they were 7! Straight laced, preppy images all around.
 
She could have purchased "blunt" wrappers at the convenience store, or perhaps rolling paper which is sold at places like that too.

....of course there's many other options too, bowls, bongs, water pipes, vapor pens, edibles...likely those wouldn't be sold at a convenience store....however I have seen bowls for sale at 7 elevens.

ETA: however fwiw usually blunts would be bought to share with a group, rather then btw two people.

Every single person I knew in college smoked weed, some even dealt...and we are talking college kids who had been wearing Brooks Brothers since they were 7! Straight laced, preppy images all around.

Is this a picture of Jesse smoking a blunt?
 

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