AR AR - Cassie Compton, 15, Stuttgart, 14 Sept 2014 #3

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I am just so puzzled, sad, disheartened, mad, frustrated, confused, upset, scared ... you name it over this poor little girl and her case!

THANK YOU to everyone working so hard to get answers!
 
Oriah said:
Speaking of the local legal scene in Stuttgart...any locals care to share their thought or experiences with the judicial branch of government?
For example (and I realize work and volunteer work but me in a unique position to have this info) but I know which judges I want to see come up on the docket in my area, for certain cases. Such as child protective cases, guardian cases, cases involving a lot of technical evidence, major crime cases, crimes against women and children, racially heated crimes, hate crimes, etc. And which judges, when I see their names come up, well...my heart sinks.

Any local input on this available? No names needed. ;)
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We have a local level municipal judge who handles mostly traffic cases. Then criminal cases go up to the district (once called circuit) judge. Arkansas County is one of 13 counties in Arkansas with two county seats. We have a northern district (Stuttgart) and southern district (DeWitt) who have the same judge, clerks and prosecutorial staff, but hold court on different days. With computerized records, data can be pulled up either place, but hard copies of files will be one place or other other. The county jail is in DeWitt. The judge has a "decent" reputation without being considered popular. The prosecutor has a bit of a "maligned" character (which kind of falls back on the police force for not building strong cases). These guys are elected officials, but no one has challenged the prosecutor in at least two election cycles.
 
Oriah said:
Caring4, I included surveillance of several different sorts on a FOIA. I was expecting confirmation of 3 sources at least. Nothing so far. I also spent about 4 hrs on the phone dealing with casino securities, regarding video surveillance specifically.

Lemme tell ya, when you want to REALLY get frustrated? Try that, lol.
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Oh I believe it. I honestly don't mind not seeing it IF they're holding it to further their investigation. I get that, but I was hoping it would put a fire under media to want to ask questions or investigate further. In my experience while there is always a challenge to get media attention, when it's there they damn near kill each other to get ahold of reports, LE will say when they will have them knowing they'll be asked in the masses, etc

As for frustration, had all levels here on cases myself. Including an LE tell me their office would not pursue a case until the MPs body showed up so stop wasting my time asking for updates. Like that will stop me? No I text or call on every significant holiday, the MPs bday, and every one of his 3 kids bdays asking for an update & remind him I'm still around. Ik there has to be info on that case that I could get but I'm continually told "active investigation"....frustrating to no end.
 
Oriah said:
[QUO;11266030]Great! Now if you were to remove the existing gray box and draw a straight line from the Cell Tower on Hwy. 130 and the one nearest the river, the line will almost directly go through the Ideker's reservoirs (there are two side by side, the one on the left looks a little like the state of Maine). Make those two towers the tips of your diamond (lower left and top right).
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A diamond is not exactly correct to properly trangulate using those two towers. You need the radius from each as per the tower height and receivers used by providers, then to overlay on the topo.[/QUOTE]

Learning so much here . . . (I think) I heard 300 ft when the family described why their house was chosen as command center. Or should it be yards?
And do these towers use dishes versus batwing? When someone says "triangulate," I think of relay dishes. (One year of my life dating a tower technician is bubbling to the surface today).
 
Tower triangulation can be amazingly simple...or incredibly complex.

Wait.....did I just read that correctly?? LE stated that the Compton residence was chosen as a search CC because of its central location as related to pings from BRs or JCs phones??
 
Oriah said:
Tower triangulation can be amazingly simple...or incredibly complex.

Wait.....did I just read that correctly?? LE stated that the Compton residence was chosen as a search CC because of its central location as related to pings from BRs or JCs phones??
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No, no, no. A house at the Daugherty Corner (intersection of River and Daugherty roads). And it wasn't LE that stated it. A family member directly into my ears that same afternoon (Oct. 4). I did a google map insert for it a long time ago, but it was deleted by mods.
 
skibaboo said:
Hows this? https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zZD4sPiErdd8.kT8Ty12c36ZM
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BEAUTIFUL! Exactly like I was trying to describe it. I will add that the normal route to Casscoe and Preston's Ferry boat landing on the White River is to run along that northern edge of the box. Obviously, we have denser vegetation and tree islands along the lesser waterways on the east side of the box. The house boat in the movie "Mud" is exactly what Preston's Ferry looks like (scene was filmed a little more downriver). Houseboats are now illegal on the river unless you have one that got grandfathered in. Families with access to boats not only fish on the river, but water ski in summer if their boat is fast enough. I remember my boyfriend 30 years ago never letting me off on the sandbars (or what little shore there was) because of rumors about booby-trapped pot spots. (This is a far stretch for BR as he probably didn't have his own boat to use regularly, and he would have to borrow a friend's truck and boat to get into water.)
 
Thank you for that clarification, but egads....now I REALLY have some questions!

Can you provide the coords for the property used as the CC? And who was the SAR coordinator organizing that search, utilizing that specific location as central to these 'unofficial' pings? And what was the time designation on these pings? Were they simply going by 'phone A pinged off tower 123, and phone B pinged off of tower xyz??

What kind of pings were they, for cryin out loud? Sorry got4, this is not directed at you, nor do I expect you to have these answers.
I'm just...idk. Amazed is about the only word I've got.

I'm now horribly concerned that we have a Gail Palmgren situation going on. Not insofar as to what happened to her. But in how proper use of investigative analysis of wireless and cellular devices can be imperative in locating missing persons.
 
Oriah said:
Thank you for that clarification, but egads....now I REALLY have some questions!

Can you provide the coords for the property used as the CC? And who was the SAR coordinator organizing that search, utilizing that specific location as central to these 'unofficial' pings? And what was the time designation on these pings? Were they simply going by 'phone A pinged off tower 123, and phone B pinged off of tower xyz??

What kind of pings were they, for cryin out loud? Sorry got4, this is not directed at you, nor do I expect you to have these answers.
I'm just...idk. Amazed is about the only word I've got.

I'm now horribly concerned that we have a Gail Palmgren situation going on. Not insofar as what happened to her. But in how proper use of investigative anaysis of wireless and cellular devices can be imperative in locating missing persons.
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Sorry to butt in but it peaked my interest too.

I would say either
34.519013, -91.380913 or 34.519364, -91.378737

got4 can you clarify pls? :) TY
 
Oriah said:
Thank you for that clarification, but egads....now I REALLY have some questions!

Can you provide the coords for the property used as the CC? And who was the SAR coordinator organizing that search, utilizing that specific location as central to these 'unofficial' pings? And what was the time designation on these pings? Were they simply going by 'phone A pinged off tower 123, and phone B pinged off of tower xyz??

What kind of pings were they, for cryin out loud? Sorry got4, this is not directed at you, nor do I expect you to have these answers.
I'm just...idk. Amazed is about the only word I've got.

I'm now horribly concerned that we have a Gail Palmgren situation going on. Not insofar as what happened to her. But in how proper use of investigative anaysis of wireless and cellular devices can be imperative in locating missing persons.
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Coords of CC (CC defined as LEO using kitchen table and bathrooms in this house): 34 31'09.63 N and 91 22'44.76 W.
Coords of reservoirs to the SW of this house: 34 30'47.52 N and 91 23'35.52 W

I don't know who the SAR coordinator was -- it was an afternoon segment of the LE-sanctioned search which formed at the Stuttgart airport that morning with MANY branches of support (even looked like the Dept. of Corrections dogs and horses in a pic I saw). It is also my understanding this site was based on Cassie's phone's LAST pings before phone died on Sunday evening (Sept. 14). I would GUESS it was the river tower as it was closest. It bothered me why did it take so long (21 days) to do an official public search if based on pings? When I lost my Blackberry phone once, I had one estimate of distance on the southeast side of town within minutes. The next morning, it specifically showed me my phone was at the WalMart service desk. This is probably different software than Cassie's phone, but still . . . I also focus on the fact that Casscoe search was about the phone and Cassie might not have been the person in possession of the phone when it died. Could it have died when tossed into water?
 
skibaboo said:
Sorry to butt in but it peaked my interest too.

I would say either
34.519013, -91.380913 or 34.519364, -91.378737

got4 can you clarify pls? :) TY
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Couple who live in the first house coords were not home that weekend. And yes, the second coords fit the house I am speaking of.
 
I think the question I have Got4 is-when did LE ask for the pings? I'm sure you've seen my reference to the case I worked on with a missing mentally ill man. We obtained his pings many times over the course of close to 2 wks. At one point I was given a ping with in 30mins of his last location & told it was 3.74miles SE & given an address of that location. Now this person was turning their phone on & off. We needed to wait for it to be on. But still, it was pretty accurate & pretty fast. The location he was picked up at by LE later that afternoon was 1/2 mile away.
Like it was said earlier, this isn't toward you, just makes me curious if LE didn't initially buy the runaway theory, although they did have the mental health info given to them.
 
Caring4Many said:
I think the question I have Got4 is-when did LE ask for the pings? I'm sure you've seen my reference to the case I worked on with a missing mentally ill man. We obtained his pings many times over the course of close to 2 wks. At one point I was given a ping with in 30mins of his last location & told it was 3.74miles SE & given an address of that location. Now this person was turning their phone on & off. We needed to wait for it to be on. But still, it was pretty accurate & pretty fast. The location he was picked up at by LE later that afternoon was 1/2 mile away.
Like it was said earlier, this isn't toward you, just makes me curious if LE didn't initially buy the runaway theory, although they did have the mental health info given to them.
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So sorry that I don't know the answer to any of that. I am trying to remember the date that JC and BR's phones were confiscated. That was between the Ch. 7 front porch interview with JBontke and the Ch. 16 interview at Gossip Shop with LUko. We know they were thinking about tracking phone pings at that point. And back to my own KK interview / briefing, statistics show MOST bodies are recovered within 5 miles of where victim was last seen alive. Casscoe is considerably further than 5 miles, which adds weight to the idea it may have been just her phone that traveled that distance. But the statistic might skew considering we are such a rural area and the territory might also be considered FAMILIAR for the POI even though he did not live there or have personal vehicle to travel there.
 
got4lilgirls said:
Coords of CC (CC defined as LEO using kitchen table and bathrooms in this house): 34 31'09.63 N and 91 22'44.76 W.
Coords of reservoirs to the SW of this house: 34 30'47.52 N and 91 23'35.52 W

I don't know who the SAR coordinator was -- it was an afternoon segment of the LE-sanctioned search which formed at the Stuttgart airport that morning with MANY branches of support (even looked like the Dept. of Corrections dogs and horses in a pic I saw). It is also my understanding this site was based on Cassie's phone's LAST pings before phone died on Sunday evening (Sept. 14). I would GUESS it was the river tower as it was closest. It bothered me why did it take so long (21 days) to do an official public search if based on pings? When I lost my Blackberry phone once, I had one estimate of distance on the southeast side of town within minutes. The next morning, it specifically showed me my phone was at the WalMart service desk. This is probably different software than Cassie's phone, but still . . . I also focus on the fact that Casscoe search was about the phone and Cassie might not have been the person in possession of the phone when it died. Could it have died when tossed into water?
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Thank you so much got4 for posting this information. :thud:
The (mis)information that I had was that this search was going off BR's phone ping and that Cassie's phone never pinged outside of her front yard.
 
got4lilgirls said:
So sorry that I don't know the answer to any of that. I am trying to remember the date that JC and BR's phones were confiscated. That was between the Ch. 7 front porch interview with JBontke and the Ch. 16 interview at Gossip Shop with LUko. We know they were thinking about tracking phone pings at that point. And back to my own KK interview / briefing, statistics show MOST bodies are recovered within 5 miles of where victim was last seen alive. Casscoe is considerably further than 5 miles, which adds weight to the idea it may have been just her phone that traveled that distance. But the statistic might skew considering we are such a rural area and the territory might also be considered FAMILIAR for the POI even though he did not live there or have personal vehicle to travel there.
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No apologies necessary, it was more a general question not really one I thought any of us would truly know. Although we may have an answer of what we'd like to have seen happen! :)
 
TupeloMz said:
Thank you so much got4 for posting this information. :thud:
The (mis)information that I had was that this search was going off BR's phone ping and that Cassie's phone never pinged outside of her front yard.
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I cringe when there is conflicting information like that. Neither one of us wants to be mistaken because we are trying so hard to help. Again, I was never listening to a LEO speaking, but listening to a family member who had been in the CC household during the search. I know Cassie's name was said that day regarding pings BUT this is long before LE acknowledged BR was a POI. To say phone pings were BR would not fit the scheme yet.
 
Just something that has really been bothering me....and maybe a VI can clear up...Why can JC not describe Cassie's cowboy boots?
I can understand why JC can not seem to say what exactly Cassie was wearing as JC did not actually see Cassie that night and she is going by deduction, but the boots? Did Cassie have so many pairs that JC can't figure out which pair is missing? Or maybe Cassie just bought them while she was in DeWitt that weekend?
TIA
 
I cringe too, because it means Cassie and/or Cassie's phone-or both- may be right under our noses.

Unless Cassie's phone was recovered, or she had more than one communication device in use at the time she went missing and that too was recovered...none of this makes sense.

A missing phone cannot be pinged unless it is functional. Cassie's phone was allegedly rapidly 'dead' after she disappeared. Before, in fact, the missing report was filed.

Have other people come forward who were able to call/txt/ etc Cassie's phone before it went 'dead'? Perhaps the Snyders? Other friends? Anyone??? You know, anyone who might still be in possession of their phone??
 
Oriah said:
I cringe too, because it means Cassie and/or Cassie's phone-or both- may be right under our noses.

Unless Cassie's phone was recovered, or she had more than one communication device in use at the time she went missing and that too was recovered...none of this makes sense.

A missing phone cannot be pinged unless it is functional. Cassie's phone was allegedly rapidly 'dead' after she disappeared. Before, in fact, the missing report was filed.

Have other people come forward who were able to call/txt/ etc Cassie's phone before it went 'dead'? Perhaps the Snyders? Other friends? Anyone??? You know, anyone who might still be in possession of their phone??
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TS specifically had posted (look at live FB feed for Mon. Sept. 15) that they were trying to contact Cassie until the phone went dead / malfunctioned at about 10:30 p.m. the night before (Noting here a distinct change in the way the phone was operating. The posting is not something being recalled after the MP status.)
 
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