MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #8

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bbbd4u said:
I cant begin to imagine what her family is going through and pray I never will know. I can tell you just based on my passed when I have been in stressful situations I cant look back and tell you exactly how things happen things begin to get foggy but seem so clear and its so confusing. I know this is going to be not accepted by others but I had to put my cat down unexpectedly back in Nov that same day I had to fly out to Utah for my Grandmas funeral with my lack of sleep that week and stress from the whole picture I dont know exactly what is 100 % reality. I was having nightmares with in a month that havent stopped and those nightmares seem like reality I question if something happened how I remember. The guilt I have about it all I notice when I am talking with others I have extreme guilt and its totally how I took Lisa bring up Jessica going to Leah's.

IMO she feels guilt for doing it and just is not ready to be completely open with out suppressing those painful thoughts. Something Jessica was saying/doing/acting was already causing an issue in her daily life if it lead to her Mom reaching out to LE. Maybe Jessica was willing to go there willingly to get away from a situation in hopes the wind would just blow over with whatever it was. Lisa might not have a lot of answers as others would but maybe Jessica felt as if she were protecting her mother.

AA's story about the clocks being off an hour lines up with when Lisa said she left. IMO at 6:48p.m. when Lisa said she last talked to Jessica if the attack was already unfolding I do not believe she would have answered her phone nor would have any red flags have gone off if Jessica didnt answer her call.
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you sound like you have PTSD. and JC's mom would as well for sure. it's a good explanation for her answers. I hope you find some support and relief from your grief. I've been through cats and grandmas dying at the same time and it can definitely cause trauma or trigger underlying traumas.
 
absentia said:
MS is a victim's rights state, so mom would not be making the deal or pressing or dropping charges if it was a felony charge.
http://www.ago.state.ms.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Crime-Victims-Bill-of-Rights-2013.pdf

"Can an aggravated assault charge be dropped to a simple assault charge?

Yes, this happens all of the time. If the District Attorney is having difficulty proving that a weapon was used, the charge can be reduced to simple assault. In a criminal trial, the jury may feel that there is not enough evidence to convict for aggravated assault and will return a verdict for simple assault instead."
http://thomasvalonzo.com/blog/2010/...arges-the-10-most-frequently-asked-questions/
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so this means GM used a weapon on 1/9 when he was arrested.
 
One more time.... did anyone besides Jessica live with her mother? Someone mentioned that Jessica's sister was coming for a visit.
 
Crosby87 said:
One more time.... did anyone besides Jessica live with her mother? Someone mentioned that Jessica's sister was coming for a visit.
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I wouldn't know. Did Jessica live with the Rudd's when she was 17? Where did we hear that?
 
absentia said:
I feel so bad critiquing LC's interview. But it doesn't add up. But it isn't going to solve the crime either.
She made a big deal about "whoa, what are you talking about - what party, etc".
It's just off. But she's not the guilty one. But something is off there.
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bbm

Big agree.
 
absentia said:
I feel so bad critiquing LC's interview. But it doesn't add up. But it isn't going to solve the crime either.
She made a big deal about "whoa, what are you talking about - what party, etc".
It's just off. But she's not the guilty one. But something is off there.
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I probably feel worse as I haven't even heard it yet ... so thanks to all for reporting. But ... what strikes me as "off":

*JC was charged twice with assault (not positive who else was involved)
*JC was acting paranoid and flinching and thus went to Leah's House (???)
*JC had anger issues and thus went to Leah's House (???)

Might it be plausible that JC acted in self-defense in terms of at least one of the assault charges, thus the paranoia and anger, i.e., she was scared of something happening again and angry about the overall situation? I'm not pointing fingers here, just trying to make connections.
 
Han said:
Those of you that feel this way, could you explain a little more fully? I'm having trouble following. TIA
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Legitimate request, and thanks for it. Hard to put into words; will try, let me think a bit. "Overall feeling of hinkyness" would be abstract and otherwise unfair. (Help me out, other agreers.) Difficulty multiplied by dire nature of circumstance they've endured.

Certain statements by the father seem problematic, I might say.
 
absentia said:
right. so if she loved it, why did she leave early?
and you don't call the cops on your kid bc they are flinching like they're afraid you're going to hit them. whassup there?
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To address leaving early: she was probably feeling good, confident and positive and ready to begin her life again.
She knew she could continue to visit for counseling.
Not everyone needs months of residential behavioral modification.
Sometimes, all it takes is for someone to teach them the tools to understand their emotions that in turn influence their behaviors. It's incredibly empowering (*sigh* I hate using that term, but it fits)
Honestly, it could have been just that simple.
She didn't always love it there, her mom said that after three days she was writing letters begging to come home. Normal resistance at first especially when it's not exactly what you wanted to do. I'm pretty sure it was better than the alternative, which could have been jail at least overnight/maybe longer, a court hearing, a criminal record, moving away from home without money or a job.

And I agree with you that you don't call the cops to have them help you put her in residential rehab to learn to act like a lady. That's mother protecting her child just like dad when he said she was in a battered women's shelter.

It sounds like Leah's House did her a world of good and she was ready to be an adult in control of her life and become a productive member of her community.

My opinion of course because I can't really read minds.
 
DO we know, NOT ASKING for names to be published here, who those assault charges were for assaulting? Hmm, how to express this. Is it possible that the assault charges for some things that got physical between JC and her mom? Stupid teenage things, and mom decided to go tough love by callng in authorities? Just throwing some SPECULATION out there . . .
 
imkeylime said:
I probably feel worse as I haven't even heard it yet ... so thanks to all for reporting. But ... what strikes me as "off":

*JC was charged twice with assault (not positive who else was involved)
*JC was acting paranoid and thus went to Leah's House (???)
*JC had anger issues and thus went to Leah's House (???)

Might it be plausible that JC acted in self-defense in terms of at least one of the assault charges, thus the paranoia and anger, i.e., she was scared of something happening again and angry about the overall situation? I'm not pointing fingers here, just trying to make connections.
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Yes it's a possibility. Also possible that Jess believed she needed to defend herself especially if she was experiencing paranoia. It's also possible she felt unjustly blamed for the situation she was in.
 
Just wondering if that would explain the going home to mom's from Leah's and that being part of how things were - resolved with that situation.
 
What seems off to me is that LC indicates she doesn't know about the party. Until fairly recently "she" was a member of a rather busy group on SM. Possible it was someone acting as her (on her behalf ?) - and was very convincing by the responses of others in the group. I may be interpreting things wrong. [emoji53]
 
Damarna said:
What seems off to me is that LC indicates she doesn't know about the party. Until fairly recently "she" was a member of a rather busy group on SM. Possible it was someone acting as her (on her behalf ?) - and was very convincing by the responses of others in the group. I may be interpreting things wrong. [emoji53]
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Hmm. I still wasn't sure if I believed in the party myself. Especially if I had to take Charlotte's word.
 
When people don't have good coping skills they will lash out much as they did when they were children in an attempt to protect themselves. Sometimes this is verbal; sometimes it is physical.
Someone from LH said Jess was learning better coping skills. That speaks volumes to me.
 
I hope Lisa is availing herself of any help offered to the families of victims.
 
octobermoon said:
Well she said JC didn't assault her, but why else the deal to go to Leah's? Maybe daughter threatened to assault and that was enough under the law to make the deal?
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Could be! Last night I was reading to find the difference Assault vs Battery and was fascinated to learn:

What Is Assault?

Assault is sometimes defined as any intentional act that causes another person to fear that she is about to suffer physical harm. This definition recognizes that placing another person in fear of imminent bodily harm is itself an act deserving of punishment, even if the victim of the assault is not physically harmed. This definition also allows police officers to intervene and make an arrest without waiting for the assaulter to actually strike the victim.
Assault Case Example: Snider is walking down a city street carrying a bottle of soda. Mantle, walking along the same street in the opposite direction, sees Snider approaching. Because of Snider's reputation as a hot-head, Mantle immediately becomes fearful that Snider will swing the bottle at him when their paths cross. As they walk past each other, nothing happens. Snider has not committed an assault. Snider has a right to carry a bottle of soda in public, and Mantle's fear of being hit was not the result of Snyder's intentionally threatening behavior. But now assume that, as they draw closer, Snider draws back his fist and tells Mantle "You're going to pay for stealing my collection of baseball pennants." As Snider begins to swing his fist in Mantle's direction, Mantle sprints away and escapes harm. Here, Snider has committed an assault. His intentional conduct placed Mantle in reasonable fear of immediate bodily harm.


More here from NOLO:
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/assault-battery-aggravated-assault-33775.html
 
wfgodot said:
Legitimate request, and thanks for it. Hard to put into words; will try, let me think a bit. "Overall feeling of hinkyness" would be abstract and otherwise unfair. (Help me out, other agreers.) Difficulty multiplied by dire nature of circumstance they've endured.

Certain statements by the father seem problematic, I might say.
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Yes dad has been all over the place with his statements.

I view tonight as Lisa's perspective, not the full explanation.
 
I truly believe the party reference is Jessica simply telling her friend she is going to the AA village for a quick stop. Nothing more. And based on those quotes, she was at the party.

Hypothetically speaking, what if there was a gas station incident involving an Eric, Derrick and Roscoe about two years earlier in Sardis? And yes, there are links.
 
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