IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #1

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LOL. All this time I thought references to Larry King's involvement was referring to THE Larry King. I am reading about the Franklin Cover-up on wikipedia now(thanks to whoever posted the link) and see it is a totally different Larry King. I couldn't understand why THE Larry King on t.v. didn't speak up about these allegations and defend himself. :crazy:
 
messiecake said:
Ever listen to AM Radio's "Coast To Coast" show?

There's "experts" on there too so you're telling me that if they sound convincing enough they're telling the truth?(for those who don't know "Coast To Coast" is a totally off the wall radio show with people calling in to discuss their alien abductions and how the CIA faked the moon landing!).
What reasearch have you done anyway? Reading Noreen's materials? Thats more than slightly biased no?
Noreen has my prayers and my sympathy and I belive fact is usually stranger than fiction but this far rereaching child slavery conspiracy is just cukoo .

I can read numerous books about all sorts of things and listen to a myriad of "experts" and "eyewitnesses" and "investigators" and I can belive what they say BUT that doesnt make it true.Look at the "satanic panic" in the '80s.Alot of innocent people were accused and convicted of being involved in a mass satanic child molestation conspiracy based on "investigators" and "experts" and lo and behold it wasn't true!

I am not trashing the Gosch family.They have been through hell but devoting time to this nonsense takes time away from real investigations.

If this story is true please tell me why hasen't Noreen and her"investigators" gone to the FBI? Why isn't NCMEC shouting about this from the rooftops? Wheres AMW?


When you can answer these questions I might be further inclined to listen.

I'm curious if you still believe everything you posted at the beginning of this thread?
 
julianne said:
The poster "greenray" who wrote the above post regarding the dollar bill only posted 2 times--both on this subject, and never posted again.

Here is his other post, written on the same day.


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Eugene Martin
Hi Richard,

At the time, I had the distinct impression that Eugene Martin had actually been in the restaurant because the dollar bill was crumpled up in such a strange way. It was in a very compact ball shape and, after I read what was written on it, I thought that must be why it was crumpled up like that. The person wanted it to be noticed and not just put back into circulation. I certainly noticed it and I've never given any thought to tips left on restaurant tables before or since.

I was much younger then and when I was told that he was 17 I thought well couldn't he get away? Now I realize that an abductor can have enormous power over a victim of any age.

I don't have the actual dollar bill any more. A friend at the time took it to a psychic and then threw it out. I may still have a photocopy of it. I don't know who I'd even give it to.

End of post.

Thoughts??

I think the dollar bill stories are just the grasping of nonexistant straws. The ending is great...the bill was just thrown away. Who throws away a dollar bill? I would have just spent it!
 
William R Thomas said:
Are you the person responsible for the "open letter to Noreen" earlier in this thread? Based on what you say above, I suspect so.

ALSO, there is a new thread on JG open and running in cold cases... check that out.
No, that wasn't me...But I did have some pretty good communication with Noreen a few years back...that is, until a certain ex-fed insinuated himself into her situation, and she hasn't returned my calls or e mails after that. Unfortunate; there are lots of good people that she doesn't need to be associating with a one man show who in the end will just use her up and move on like he has with many other victims.
 
SNIP

Investigators in Iowa's Division of Criminal Investigation are scrutinizing the pictures in search of fingerprints and DNA evidence as well as information about when the photos were taken, said John Quinn, the DCI's special agent in charge of the case.

"You have to be meticulous, methodical. You don't want to overlook anything," Quinn said.

Analysts have determined the photos haven't been doctored, Quinn said.

"It's the source of the photographs that we're looking at," he said. "Are they connected to any other cases, and is it Johnny Gosch in the photos?"

http://www.crgazette.com/2006/09/12/Home/goschcaseparenting.htm
 
I posted this in the other Gosch thread, But I believe it is applicable here as well. I am open to debate this case with anyone, but please keep it civilized. And please keep politics out of it. Pedophilia is a bi-partisan problem.


I have a problem with the whole MK-Ultra theory. While MK-ultra was factual program that existed for a long while, I simply have failed in all of my research to see any plausible connection between these kidnappings, and the reasoning why it would be considered "government sanctioned". I do not for one second believe this was "government sactioned". Do I think that perhaps individuals connected or involved with the government utilized the services of this pedophilia ring? Yes, absolutely. Now they may have used MK-Ultra techniques, but after a certain amount of breaking, I don't think these boys would have been so hard to control as to NEED such intense mind control. I'm not alluding to Stockholm Syndrome, but at some point, accepting their lot and trying to make the best of it.

By saying "government sanctioned", we are essentially saying that the government not only knew about it, but assisted in kidnapping, harbouring, and was essentially party to pedophilia, prostitution, victimization and torture of their own young people. The players [involved] are simply too rogue and too well documented to have been ALL brought in by the goverment to work on this as a "project"

For years, MK-Ultra did experiments on control groups without their knowledge. It was disbanded and "out -of-the-closet" so to speak 15 years or so, before Gosch was even kidnapped. It made huge waves, when it was discovered, people died ( or were killed), and people were brushed aside. Carter and Reagan were both anti-human experimentation, so essentially they could not have been told of the experiments.

So then were going to assert that less than 20 years after the MK-Ultra debacle, our goverment starts sanctioning the kidnapping of newsboys to serve the "ultra-elite" in Washington? No way. It's simply too easy arrange that kind of party without the risk or expense of a smallscale government pedo-*advertiser censored* operation. It simply doesn't make sense.

My opinion is that this was a high-dollar/high-power operation, strictly to satisfy the lustings of wealthy pedophiles, some of whom happen to be involved with the goverment in high places, as well as some who were privilaged and had the cash to seek thrills beyond what the ordinary pushers in Washington and Hollywood were capable of delivering. This was primarily for money and power. The whole mindd-control/brain washing thing couldn't have been even a minor piece of it. It was simply a necessity due to the circumstances of having to handle the logistics of a moving, operational, boysex circus, nothing more.

Let the castigation begin...
 
William R Thomas said:
Let the castigation begin...
I used to castigate, but then I ended up with hairy palms. :blushing:

Actually, your analysis seems sound, even if someone comes to a different conclusion. In a world where other nations and cultures have organized pedo rings operating (i.e. Thailand, etc.), it seems almost elitist to think the good old USA would not have similar rings operating. And the most logical answer would be that they are private, not government operated enterprises.
 
It was simply a necessity due to the circumstances of having to handle the logistics of a moving, operational, boysex circus, nothing more.
For me, it's not so much who is funding these operations, or how much mind control is involved... but that these are our children, and they are being used for the most horrid of reasons. And, more importantly, LE seems to have uniformly turned their backs on trying to catch, prosecute or hold accountable the people that are perpetrating these acts. How can people allow this to continue? I don't get it.
 
Just some thoughts.... I flipped the picture of the man to the right and my first thought was a) the man was photoshopped onto the patterened backgroud or at least some touch ups were done along the profile of his face - look at the black outline that follows his profile. My second thought was that he almosts looks positioned like someone in a coffin would be for a viewing, but looking at his shirt it doesn't look like proper burial attire per say. So my next thought was that he looks like he could be laying flat on a bed with his head propped up on a pillow. I question how anyone could deem that the man is dead, he could just as well be sleeping. And I see what they are referring to as a ligature around his neck, but then again how do they know for sure? That could be a necklace and skin folds for all we know. It also looks to me like the man has somewhat of a smile or pleased look on his face and that his eyes could be open yet looking down.....


I have been keeping up with the thread I promise, but I'm just a little to lazy to go back and look right now and this may have already been addressed, but did anyone notice that the boy on the left in the picture of the three boys appears to have a brand on his arm as well???
 
On the Des Moines Register blogsite, there is a claim to responsibility for sending the photos to people associated with Noreen Gosch and the conspiracy theories about her son over the years:

http://blogs.dmregister.com/?p=2317


"Hi my name is Jimmy Gibson. I am writing you to tell my side of the recent development.
About 3 weeks ago I recieved 3 photos to my email, I do not know who sent them nor do I know where they came from, it was a anom email account probably sent froma proxy server. I was quite shocked when I saw them and debated on wether I should send them to Noreen Gosch or not. Yes the photos indeed look like it could be Johnny Gosch but like everything in this world you are never really sure. So I thought about it for a while and then I edventually sent them to a contact of Noreen Gosch, Tim White who has been working with her on this case.
I went back to the email and looked and one of the images was not an actual copy but a image linked pic. So I traced the image back to the url (Which appears below)"

I will not reproduce the URL, as the writer above claims the website contains *advertiser censored*. He goes on to say:

"I only emailed them to Tim White and Michael Corbin. As far as the images being found on Noreen’s doorstep I have not a clue.
From what I know, Tim White emailed them to everybody he could think of, Decamp/Gosch and so on and who knows how many other people. I believe Mr. White blew this whole thing out of proportion and acted irresponsible"
 
I cannot say if this claim has any validity, but the names of the associated people are genuine, and an Investigator named Rothstein has stated that he has been in contact with a person he believed to be involved in the case by the name of Jimmy Gibson.
 
I will not reproduce the URL, as the writer above claims the website contains *advertiser censored*. He goes on to say:
The photos posted there were created today.

Oddly, this one looks remarkably like the b&w boy:

http://www.jacobstales.com/gallery4/displayimage.php?album=1051&=79

The owner of that site indeed appears to be a sicko, and I suspect that some of the photos there depict real, illegal situations. I'm reporting the site to the NCMEC.

EDIT: WHOA. The b&w photo is on that site...in color.
I don't know what to make of this.
The "brand" is not there.

http://www.jacobstales.com/gallery4/displayimage.php?album=1051&=44

Something is horribly amiss.
 
What?? What's going on, FourthBase? I'm afraid to click on the links (I'm at work), so I don't know what you're seeing. Do you mean the B&W photo that Ms. Gosch says is Johnny (no shirt, sweatpants, brand) appears on the site (in color, w/o the brand)???
 
maima said:
What?? What's going on, FourthBase? I'm afraid to click on the links (I'm at work), so I don't know what you're seeing. Do you mean the B&W photo that Ms. Gosch says is Johnny (no shirt, sweatpants, brand) appears on the site (in color, w/o the brand)???
Yes, exactly.

The site contains no nudity, so Roy's relayed description of it as containing *advertiser censored* is not accurate. Go ahead and click on those two links.

Part of what bothers me right now if this has been a prank, is how Roy and his aliases have so assuredly known since these photos were first reported that it was a prank.
 
Also, correction, the photos say in "properties" that they were created today, but according to the sub-album's heading, the last photos in it were posted June 29, 2006. Either these albums contain pictures of actual kidnapped children and possibly Gosch, or they are just some sicko's collection and this whole thing has been a cruel hoax. Either way, I'm truly unnerved.
 
I tried the links and my company's filters blocked the site as "Child *advertiser censored*". Great, I hope I still have a job...
 
Dr. Doogie said:
I tried the links and my company's filters blocked the site as "Child Pornagraphy". Great, I hope I still have a job...
*advertiser censored**. Sorry. I saw nothing that would technically qualify as child *advertiser censored*. Even though it's seemingly a site for pedophiles, there is no nudity or anything explicitly sexualized. Just, you know, photos from "TV, movies, and the web" that depict boys being bound and gagged. :sick:
 
I clicked on the links from home and saw no child *advertiser censored*. The site was done by a sicko though.
 
FourthBase said:
*advertiser censored**. Sorry.
No need to apologize. I rolled the dice and it came up craps. I can explain any questions (should they be asked) by showing this thread.
 
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