GUILTY Spain - Denise Thiem, 40, U.S. traveler, Astorga, 4 April 2015

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Wondering if it is of any particular significance that Denise went missing on Easter day?
Why would female pilgrims be harassed on that stretch of the Camino?
If other women were able to escape the would-be abductors, why not Denise?

In areas known for prostitution, have there been known cases of "johns" specifically requesting Asian hookers and if so, have they been violent encounters?

imo.

eta, noting that the term ' hookers ' is generic as the women may be forced to be there.
 
Wondering if it is of any particular significance that Denise went missing on Easter day?
Why would female pilgrims be harassed on that stretch of the Camino?
If other women were able to escape the would-be abductors, why not Denise?

In areas known for prostitution, have there been known cases of "johns" specifically requesting Asian hookers and if so, have they been violent encounters?

imo.

eta, noting that the term ' hookers ' is generic as the women may be forced to be there.


IMHO Easter day was not of significance by itself. But because it was a Sunday plus Easter, Denise went to mass and was late in leaving Astorga. That would put her on the road at a time with few pilgrims, as most of them leave in the morning.
All this is assuming that she did leave Astorga as she planned to do according to the email she wrote to a friend, although there is not really hard proof that she did. But then, it is hard to imagine what realistically could have happened to her IN Astorga without anyone noticing.

Female pilgrims, male pilgrims too, run the risk of harassment at any stretch of the Camino :(

The track of the Camino between Astorga and El Ganso is lonely, very open and accessible by car.
This cuts both ways - pilgrims can keep an eye on each other from afar but some SOB with a car can easily spot a lonely traveller with no one else in sight.
There are many abandoned houses and former villages in the region.

In the larger towns (e.g. Ponferrada), there appears to be an ample choice of Asian women for erotic services if the ads on the internet are a credible indication.

I wonder if Spanish LE have their fingers deep enough in the underbelly of the Camino. Security is up on the Camino, at least until september. No doubt this will prevent some things. But what about detection?
They will know their ususal suspects if these are local, but the rest? The temporary workers, the small crooks moving along the road, the drug networks etc? If the locals do not know these people, then detection becomes difficult for LE too.

Twenty years ago, with less than 1000 pilgrims per year, the Camino was of little interest to anyone. But with over 200,000 pilgrims on the Camino Francés alone, things have changed and this is bound to attract 'birds of all feathers', including birds of prey.
 


The Camino is safe, yet security is UP.
IMHO Denise disappeared between Astorga and el Ganso because at that time and place, there was not enough security.


Those things are said to reassure people. The Camino is not safer or less safe than before. There are several routes, totaling thousands of miles, and that only the main roads. There are many parallel paths that run through sparsely populated, almost deserted areas. Putting a few patrols in visible places don´t change the security, but may calm people.

The Camino was safe before and is safe now. Safer than the place where 99% of pilgrims live. Security does not come from putting a few patrols, it comes frome the type of people who make the Camino and the low crime rates (very low) in the routes.
 
"THERE ARE LEADS IN THE CASE OF THE MISSING PILGRIM AND WE HOPE THAT SOME WILL BE FRUITFUL"


Two Q & A from the interview of Diario de León with Jorge Fernández Díaz, Spanish Minister of the Interior
http://www.diariodeleon.es/noticias...cida-confiamos-alguna-fructifique_994838.html

Q. Is there progress in the investigation in the case of the disappearance of American pilgrim on the Camino de Santiago as it passes through the province [of León]?

A. I must say that the case of the disappearance of this person, that happened over Easter, I am aware of the social alarm that was raised. Both the Police and the Guardia Civil are working on it. The investigation remains open and very intensely so. They are working very closely coordinated and with highly specialized units of the National Police and Guardia Civíl. There are different trails and lines of investigation and I can not be more explicit. But we trust , and we have reasonable expectations, that one of them may yields results.

Q. Given the social alarm generated, the international importance of the Pilgrim's Way and the thousands of pilgrims who travel every year, does Interior propose to create a special police force for the exclusive monitoring of this Camino?

A. To be honest, we have not raised the issue of a special police for the Camino de Santiago. The data at our disposal do not make us consider the need to strengthen the existing security, which does not mean that we are not open to what one might do.


BBM

WHAT HAPPENED TO PILGRIM DENISE?

Diario de León, editorial
http://www.diariodeleon.es/noticias/opinion/editorial-que-ocurrio-peregrina-denise_994855.html


Three months after the mysterious disappearance of Denise Thiem, the American pilgrim of Asian origen, finally the various lines of investigation are becoming more defined. The minister of the Interior, Jorge Fernández Díaz, said that the clues will bear results and says so "with reasonable expectations", while acknowledging that for now he can not be more explicit.
The last thing we know about her is that she spent the night in Astorga on April 5, in one of the areas of the Camino de Santiago WITH ample presence of pilgrims. The pressure of the Embassy of the United States and the social alarm generated in one of the most important cultural and tourist routes in the world has forced the Interior Ministry to allocate special forces to the Guardia Civíl and the National Police to work intensively on the case.

The attention of the media in this disappearance has reached every corner of Spain and the country of Denise, where her family and friends still continue without an explanation how she could vanish without a trace. The answers seem closer now after the work of security forces who have been scouring every inch of the possible areas that she might have passed through before disappearing. Interrogations, investigations, checks ... all to clarify a case that can not go unanswered on the Camino de Santiago, where thousands of pilgrims make this route every year, a tourist focus of incalculable value. The Minister says they are open to the possible creation of a special body to monitor the Pilgrim's Way.

BBM


Politicians will say anything, but if this were true ..... :praying:
 
Politicians will say anything, but if this were true .....

This is the key point.

There are different trails and lines of investigation and I can not be more explicit. But we trust , and we have reasonable expectations, that one of them may yields results.

¿One of them?. I hope I'm wrong, but I think there is no smoking gun, only the same investigation from just a few weeks ago, and the hope that one of them leads to solve the case.

I would be more hopeful if they had said they are following one lead.
 
Politicians will say anything, but if this were true .....

This is the key point.

There are different trails and lines of investigation and I can not be more explicit. But we trust , and we have reasonable expectations, that one of them may yields results.

¿One of them?. I hope I'm wrong, but I think there is no smoking gun, only the same investigation from just a few weeks ago, and the hope that one of them leads to solve the case.

I would be more hopeful if they had said they are following one lead.

Maybe some of the leads come from the spreadsheet that the family team have made. The white car or the white van appear in several stories of the women who came forward.

I sincerely hope that white van is not a lead that the Secretary is alluding to because white vans abound in Spain...... :(


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[video=youtube;5idGppmHUbM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5idGppmHUbM[/video]
 
Wonder if fake LE have been a problem in the past?
Any chance a team works together, ie. tourist gets harassed by one or two males, nearby- a fake cop approaches to " protect " female and " take her statement" in an unmarked car- and off they go? speculation, imo.


July 20 2015
"According to the newspaper the theory that charged more force at the beginning of the accident was not ruling out the abduction, murder or voluntary disappearance. However many pilgrims have said have been "harassed" by the police, unknown in the days before the disappearance of Denise."

http://translate.google.ca/translat...eregrina-desaparecida/727126.html&prev=search

Please NEVER EVER trust google translations!

The translation is UTTER NONSENSE!


No obstante varias peregrinas han señalado haber sido "hostigadas", según la policía, por desconocidos los días anteriores a la desaparición de Denise

translates as:

However, according to the police, various [female] pilgrims have indicated having been harassed by unknown person(s) in the days before the disappearance of Denise

and that is a totally different story!
 
Thanks for the google translation warning!
Wonder if perp/s seem to target any particular type of female?
Do the females have a variety of skin and hair colours?
Do they sport religious symbols openly, such as a cross?
Do they tend to be tall, short, heavy, thin, young or older?
Tourists, or " pilgrims "?
Are men harassed too?
Do local women also get harassed on the trail ?
 
From a previous posting:

"She is a very experienced, independent traveler, a strong woman, feisty, and very close to her family. She never would leave this way," Tina Ascher, a friend of the missing woman, confirms from the Philippines. Together they saw in Manila the movie 'The Way' ('El Camino') -- starring Martin Sheen, a film that inspired Denise to undertake the adventure. "She thought walking through those places gave people the space to find themselves. And that's what she wanted," Tina says.



July 25 is St James Day, the most important holi-day in Santiago de Compostela.
I celebrated the day by watching the movie The Way at last.
Beautiful story. Made me think of what Denise's Camino would have been like.

Please find your way home, Denise. My heart goes out to you and all your loved ones.



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THE FAMILY OF PILGRIM DENISE THIEM TRUST THAT THE NEW CLUES WILL SOLVE THE CASE

Diaro de León.es
http://www.diariodeleon.es/noticias...nfia-nuevas-pistas-resuelvan-caso_996473.html


A glimmer of hope has returned into the hearts of the family of Denise Thiem, the American pilgrim who disappeared since over one hundred days in Astorga while on the Camino de Santiago. Since then, no one, neither friends nor family, has heard from her. But the statements of Interior Minister Jorge Fernandez, that were published by this newspaper last Sunday, who claimed that where there were several clues about the woman and that one or other was expected to bear fruit has caused the family to see a new light. Covadonga Ramis, who speaks on behalf of those close to the pilgrim, explains "After those statements the family has made every effort to contact the police, because they knew nothing about what the Minister said about the investigation, and thus, we have gotten confirmation that there are indeed important open leads that can help solve the case, but they have not provided us with detailed information" she tells.

In addition, Ramis says, the family contacted the dean of the Cathedral of Santiago so that yesterday, coinciding with the feast of the patron, a prayer was said for Denise during the Mass at 12.30 hrs. The visit to the apostle was the end point of the Camino and the intense journey that the pilgrim had begun in December last year, a journey that had taken her to different countries throughout the world. She started the Camino alone and in Pamplona. This was in March and, as the family explains, the expectation was that she would complete the Camino in a month and a half. However since April 5 there has been no news of Denise.

In an article published by The Republic last Saturday, it says that on the evening of July 3 the phone of Cedric Thiem, Denise's brother, rang. On the other side the police asked him if he had identified as his sister's clothing some items that had been found scattered in an area. His response was no. Cedric took the opportunity to ask if there was news about the investigation, any leads on the whereabouts of his sister. But the answer then was also negative.

On April 1 Cedric and Denise spoke via Skype. It was the last time her family heard from her. Given the strangeness that she made no contact, although they used to communicate every two or three days, the brother decided to travel to Spain and report the disappearance of the pilgrim on April 20 at the police station of Barajas [airport]. Since then, it's been over 100 days.


BBM
 
SPECIAL VIGILANCE ON THE DISTINGUISHED CAMINO


Diario de León.es
http://www.diariodeleon.es/noticias/contraportada/benemerito-camino_996150.html

They do not precisely present an idyllic image of the Camino Francés, a tourist attraction for the summer, when the pilgrims pass by the best known of the Caminos on their way to the tomb of the apostle, although they are the latest addition to the operation that ensures the safety of the pilgrims and assists them with their needs. They are five civil guards of the Cavalry Squadron of the Guardia Civíl, with the same functions as their peers, but with a special 'vehicle': the horse, that allows them to reach places that other vehicles, including motorcycles can hardly reach.

The squadron on horseback comes from Madrid. On Tuesday they joined the Plan of Safety and Security in the Camino de Santiago in the province to support units of the Citizen Security in the etapas of the Camino, a task more interesting this year, when one bears in mind the disappearance of US citizen Denise Thiem, who has not been heard from since April 5. Naturally, the fact caused certain anxiety among the walkers, especially among foreign women, once the news of the incident spread through the media and social networks.

Police-riders travel an average of 25-30 kilometers a day, in the opposite direction of the pilgrims, so they encounter them head-on, enabling their request for help when needed. The central government delegation named yesterday in a press release the villages of San Martin del Camino, San Miguel del Camino Hospital Órbigo, Foncebadón and El Acebo as examples of the areas to be patrolled by the squadron. It was precisely the section between Hospital de Órbigo and Astorga where searches were conducted for Thiem and later on between the Maragata capital [Astorga] and Foncebadón.

Based in Valdemoro (Madrid), 120 officers serve in the Cavalry squadron, with 140 horses at their disposition.


BBM
 
FAMILY OF MISSING AZ WOMAN IN SPAIN WANTS HELP

12NEWS.com INTERVIEW
http://www.12news.com/story/news/lo...sing-az-woman-in-spain-ask-for-help/30689959/


In an exclusive interview with 12 News, the brother and cousin of a Valley woman that's been missing in Spain for more than 100 days now say they want closure, but they're not giving up hope.

Family members of 40-year-old Denise Thiem have reached out to our government and to Spanish authorities, but they have not been able to get much help.

"We just want to bring her home and we need help from everybody to reach out to our government, because without political pressure, without media pressure, we don't think we can bring her back home," said Desiree Yao, Denise's cousin.

BBM




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THE DARK SIDE OF THE CAMINO DE SANTIAGO

A woman leaves for a pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela in Spain. But suddenly she disappears under mysterious circumstances. An isolated case that might have happened anywhere in the world?

Neue Zürcher Zeitung
http://www.nzz.ch/nzzas/nzz-am-sonntag/die-dunkle-seite-des-jakobswegs-ld.1264


On July 3, his mobile phone vibrates. For three months now, a stone has landed on Cedric Thiem's chest every time he picks it up. What now? New photos. A policeman from Spain has sent them. Thiem sees women's clothing on a heat-dried field. If he recognizes the things, the policeman wants to know.
It was on April 1, the International Day for bad jokes, when Cedric Thiem last telephoned with his sister Denise via Skype. Four days later, on Easter Sunday, she was officially seen for the last time. Then her phone went dead. [*] "The person you have called is temporarily not available."

Denise is gone. Disappeared. She left no message. No kidnapper has come forward. On a 'missing' poster you see the 41-year-old as a pretty woman. With her smooth black hair and soft eyes. On another she pulls a face. She sticks out her tongue, goes without make up. A Chinese-American woman from Arizona who until recently worked as a project manager for an animal food chain. Happy she looks. In the photos.

Cedric Thiem zooms in on the mobile phone, taking a look at the clothes in the field. Then he sighs. The question of the Spanish policeman is answered with the two letters that until now he has had to use every time a little hope seemed to appear on the horizon. «No».

Profanation of pilgrimage


When women disappear, it is generally considered that this is not of their own choice. One reckons with the worst forms of external influence: kidnapping, rape, murder. Did Denise Thiem become a victim of crime? The place where she disappeared, is an unexpected venue for it. She made a pilgrimage on the Camino de Santiago. The name stands for a variety of pilgrim routes throughout Europe, that converge in northern Spain to a main route and have the alleged grave of the apostle James in Santiago de Compostela as the destination. Those who walked this Camino in earlier times had purely religious intentions. Today, the motivations of the pilgrims have become more diverse. Many Spaniards complete the Camino de Santiago, because it looks good on their CV, some are looking for active holidays. Some are at a point in their lives where they get stuck. After a divorce or the loss of a loved one. A time out.

The development into the secular is reflected not only in the talks with pilgrims on the Camino, it is also already being recognized by official bodies. In the pilgrim's office of the Dome chapter of the cathedral in Santiago de Compostela, most pilgrims fetch a certificate after arrival like they would do after they a passed exam. For this you also have to explain, in addition to the kilometers walked that are certified by the Camino stamps, your motivation. Meanwhile one can tick next to religious also "spiritual" or "tourist" reasons.

Despite the profanation, the Camino de Santiago still promises a journey into the inner self. Denise Thiem followed this promise. "She wanted to make a profound spiritual experience," says her cousin Desiree Yao, who has been working full-time since nearly a month in a team with Cedric Thiem and other family members and friends trying to find Denise.

The originally Catholic promise of the Camino de Santiago: If you pull it through to the end, all the sins of your life will be forgiven. Denise Thiem has disappeared precisely on Easter Sunday, the day which symbolizes the triumph over death, and the forgiveness of human sin. On Easter Sunday, the American was still 238 km away from the destination, and thus in the Catholic context of the Camino away from the grace of God [**]. When she, presumably, became the victim of a person who was looking on the Camino for something completely different from forgiveness .

The inspiration for the pilgrimage, Denise Thiem got from the movie "The Way". In this movie a young man dies in an accident on the Camino during storms. The father decides in his grief to finish the Camino for his son. He meets many people and makes peace with the fate of his son and his own loss. It's a film that propagates the healing power of the Camino de Santiago.

Denise Thiem quit her job at the headquarters of Pet Smart. She got herself on a world trip for half a year. Singapore, the Philippines, Cambodia, Vietnam and France - the northern Spanish route of the Camino de Santiago should have been the end of a great trip. But was this for Denise really just that: a trip around the world? Or is there the possibility of a targeted, radical break with her former life? Was Denise suffering from a life crisis and did she want to strip off the old life on the Camino? And so simply "disappeared"?

"Inconceivable!" the cousin, a professional psychologist, says emphatically. "Denise was happy on the Camino, she has also previously led a contented life." She had only terminated her job in order to feel truly free during the long journey. She hoped to derive from Camino an experience of spiritual change, but not radical and not out of despair. "In addition, she was in daily contact with Cedric." A warm and important contact for Denise, that broke off stone cold overnight. "Those who know her, know that she would never have gone into hiding of her own accord," said Yao. Even months after the disappearance of Denise she wrestles with emotions when she is confronted with questions such as these.

Looking for traces in Spain


After Denise had disappeared, Cedric Thiem tried to find out something on the Internet and through phone calls about the whereabouts of his sister for two weeks. It led nowhere. On April 19, he boarded a plane to Spain. With the help of a translator, he made a report at the local police station at the airport. Then he went to Santiago and walked the Camino backwards. Secretly he hoped that he would run into his sister accidentally or would at least gather more information. He did not meet her. Instead, he wandered around in the hostels and villages along the way and met a lot of people who could not help him. Finally he went to Astorga, where Denise had been last seen. He stayed for three weeks. Spent lot of time in the offices. "The Spanish police were friendly," he says. "But they gave me no information." On May 3, he flew back to the US.

Because of bestsellers like Hape Kerkeling's "I'm off" and movies like "The Way" the numbers of pilgrims have experienced a boom at the Camino de Santiago in recent years. 1984 only 423 pilgrims certificates were handed out, in 2014 already 237 810. Another reason for the huge increase can be found in the Spanish unemployment rate of over 20 percent for the total population. The youth unemployment rate is more than 50 percent. This creates time and space for projects like big walks and self-discovery.

After the case of Denise became known thanks to the Missing-posters along the Camino and through the exchange of Pilgrim Community in the online forums and networks, other pilgrims came forward and spoke out about bad experiences from sexual harassment to threats by men.

Desiree Yao collects the reports. She keeps a spread sheet in which she enters the stories of women. Some report that they had been persecuted by vehicles. Others were groped. Still others met exhibitionists who masturbated in front of them. Desiree has already collected 21 stories of women.
Of the case of the German pastor, who vanished without a trace on the Camino de Santiago in 2011 , she has not heard before. "Send me that," she says on the phone. In return, they will send the link to an article about a corpse found at beginning in 2015. A man was found on a hiking trail near the village of El Puerto. He was emaciated, the police suspected that he had been held in captivity prior to his assassination. The dead man was missing a foot.

The passage behind Astorga, that Denise Thiem probably has embarked on on the road to Santiago on the day of her disappearance, leads through remote bush and heath land and through the village of Santa Catalina de Somoza. In May, six weeks after the disappearance of Denise, another woman in this very section of Camino only just escaped a kidnapping. The local hiker reported the experience to the police: Not far from a resting place for pilgrims, she discovered a dark car. The men would have beckoned her, as if they wanted to ask something. But the woman had a bad feeling. On closer inspection, she realized: One of the men was half masked. The other got out of the car and ran up to her - then she ran off. The man caught up with her and grabbed her arm, she was able to break free. Finally she found a hiding place in the bushes. The men did not speak Spanish but, according to the woman, an Eastern European language.

At the end of 2013 a group of European men attracted attention on the Camino. They spoke loudly on cell phones and apparently traveled in both directions - without backpacks, water or walking poles. A pilgrim who has come forward in the meantime to the Thiem family, also noticed that the men were always clean, unlike the pilgrims who hiked all day. He never saw the strange men hiking and encountered them only at rest stops. A group of Koreans who met the pilgrim on the road, told him also that one of these men had sexually approached them.

Diego Yoon, president of an association of Korean pilgrims, speaks of Pilgrim travel plans for this summer being cancelled by some Koreans because of the harrowing travel reports that have come to light in recent months, and especially concerned Asian women.

The Dark Side of the Camino de Santiago?
Officials in Spain don't want to know anything about it. The Camino is one of the biggest tourist attractions of the country, the good reputation is accordingly important. On June 18 the Mayor of Astorga where Denise was last seen said, "This is an isolated case, that might as well have happened in any other place in Spain or anywhere in the world."


Statements like these are unrealistic. Anyone who is a trafficker or just perverse, finds in the Camino de Santiago the optimal hunting ground - however ugly it is to say that.

Firstly: Potential victims are often found alone and in remote areas. Many women make their way unaccompanied in order to be able to better deal with their own issues. Lately, movies like "Wild" in which Reese Witherspoon plays a courageous solo traveler, have contributed to the trend of female solo travel. Something that still evoked head shakings a few years ago, enjoys increasing popularity especially among younger women.

Second, the victims are trusting. Since the pilgrims community has so far enjoyed a reputation in general, to be friendly and helpful, women on the Camino reckon with good experience and nice acquaintances. Everyone talks with everyone. The fundamental openness that prevails on the way, can be exploited easily.

Thirdly, the holiday mood. On the Camino de Santiago, the sense of time is another. They make friends, but if someone is not seen for a few days, also no one thinks anything about it. It happens that pilgrims temporarily join one of the hippie communes, who live by the roadside. Or it might be someone wants to be alone for a few days.

In this climate, the disappearance of a woman becomes a certainty much later than in everyday life, where the police would be alerted immediately by friends or family if a woman does not come home from work as usual in the evening. Also in case of Denise it took the brother back home in Phoenix weeks to really become clear about the importance of the termination of the contact between him and sister.

Thanks to the efforts of friends and pilgrims all over the world, but especially through the massive effort of Thiem's own family, who try to finance the search through online fundraising, it has been possible to generate wide attention. The "New York Times", "USA Today," Fox News, European newspapers have reported about the case. The Thiems have also achieved a meeting with Senator John McCain, who gave them his cell phone number and assured them he would take up the case "personally".

All this has yielded as tangible result: nothing. Denise has become invisible. Whether the Spanish police actually still is investigating, no one knows with certainty. When Desiree Yao calls them, they say: "I'm sorry, we can not tell you anything." Cedric Thiem is also frustrated about the amount of responsibility that gets lost between the bureaucracies of two nations. Constantly the private search party of Thiems is passed on from one official to the next. "In cases like these, is anybody really responsible?" Cedric Thiem asks helplessly.

Golden window


Three weeks after the Thiems had been in contact with the US ambassador in Spain, they received a letter from him: "If I had the impression that they [the Spanish police] would not sufficiently take up the case of your sister, I can assure you that I would use all my available resources to ensure this." He added that he could not meet the family. His next visit to the US was postponed from July to September. A meeting at a later date he did not offer.

In kidnappings, time is measured in hours. Counts in days are a hope killer in the case of children and of women, to which usually only direct relatives cling. The golden window of opportunity for abductees is 72 hours. Then, the probability that one of the following scenarios has already been implemented, becomes enormous: Imprisoned by a pervert. Raped, murdered, eliminated. Shipped, put on drugs, forced prostitution. Gutted for organ trafficking, eliminated.
Denise Thiem is now missing for 119 days.

Chronicle of a search

APRIL 5: Denise Thiem has breakfast in Astorga with an Italian pilgrim, they go to Mass, say goodbye at noon. It is the last time that Denise is seen.
APRIL 20: After investigations from Phoenix, Arizona, Denise's brother Cedric Thiem landes in Madrid. At the airport police he reports his sister missing. He looks for her, returning to the United States on 3 May without her .
JUNE 8: The Spanish police arranges a conference call with Cedric Thiem at the FBI Department of Phoenix.
JULY 1: Cedric Thiem meets with Senator John McCain. The former presidential candidate pledges his personal commitment.
JULY 3: The Spanish police sends photos of possible belongings of the disappeared woman to his brother. He does not recognize the objects. Until press time, this is the last time that the Spanish police contacts the family with news.


BBM

[*] Denise did not carry a phone. "The person you have called is temporarily not available" is probably a message from Skype.

[**] The pilgrim who dies on the Camino goes straight to heaven, no questions asked.
 
ARIZONA WOMAN MISSING IN SPAIN: MCCAIN CALLS FOR FBI AID


AZCentral
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news.../?hootPostID=dfe29ce3464d82b35a7db73c0dbebc3a

Since Thiem’s disappearance, the family has been in touch with a Madrid-based agent working as a legal attaché for the FBI, but the federal agency is not formally involved in the case.

The FBI has investigated crimes against Americans in foreign countries since the mid-1980s, but it must get permission from the host government first, according to the agency’s website.

In a letter dated Aug. 3 to Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, McCain noted the Spanish National Police had recently begun investigating the incident as a possible homicide, and that recent media reports suggested a crime may have been committed against Thiem.

“If true, the FBI’s participation would be warranted and should be combined with a more robust response by the United States, which has an obligation to do all it can to help locate U.S. citizens missing abroad,” McCain wrote.



BBM


Today is Denise's 41st birthday.

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ABOUT THE MISSING PILGRIM

Vanessa Gutiérrez, a volunteer who assisted in the searches for Denise, offers her opinion about the work of the Police and the Guardia Civíl

DiariodeLeón.es
http://www.diariodeleon.es/noticias/opinion/peregrina-desaparecida_999717.html

Four long months have passed and nothing is know about Denise Thiem. And when I say nothing, I would assure you that it's almost nothing, and I hope I'm wrong. I live in a village 3 kilometers from Astorga on the Camino de Santiago. My house was one of the first places where the police came to inquire if we had seen the pilgrim or if she had stayed in the village. The first searches with helicopters and deployment of civil defense personnel, police, Guardia Civíl, were made here, and from here to Foncebadón. These were the first four or five days after it became known that there was a missing person, of course, because after that first week, my impression is that not much has been achieved.

My first direct contact with this case (other than hearing about it or that the police came to ask) was with Richard, spokesman for the family who traveled here from the United States to continue the investigation directly. Since I speak English and he does not speak Spanish, I offered to help if he needed to translate news reports or any thing that might help, because in cases like this nobody knows (or at least I) what may be useful. That was how I got to know more about how they are working on the case, what they really knew about what had happened, and that's how I got in touch with volunteers that walked the tracks, tirelessly, with a hundred eyes to see what was not discovered before and sometimes without knowing if they were looking for a backpack, clothes, or anything that seemed strange to them. Searches with volunteer work as follows: the security and police forces need to know where and what time the search is done, and if anything strange or suspicious turns up, we have to warn them. Well, the first thing I had to explain to Richard, and I think he failed to understand (I think maybe because I do not understand it either) is that the Police and the Guardia Civíl in Spain do not collaborate or work together and this is a fact. And if in some villages of the maragatería region (and in Spain, I guess) the jurisdiction changes, when something is found in a village during one of the raids you have to call the police, and if it appears in other you have to call Guardia Civíl because on top of everything they do not communicate with each other. In one of the searches several suspect gloves were found, we called the police and when we reported the exact point and the location, they told us to call the Guardia Civíl because that was not their jurisdiction and that they would not even make that call. That is how my contact with Denis's case began. It has been a while that I want some things be known that I have seen with my own eyes (and which do not appear in the press because, of course, so far the ones they have spoken with is with the family, who only know what the police have told them) and I planned to write something more elaborate, but to make it easy to understand, I will tell chronologically the events I have lived for each to draw their own conclusions.

Early June: during one of the searches, a Tuesday, volunteers found in a remote spot on the Camino de Santiago many scattered clothes. We called the police in Astorga, they come, they say they will collect the clothes the next day (note the date). Meanwhile, it appears to be the work of the volunteers to take pictures of the clothes and send them to the police in charge of the case, and so it happens. That same week, one of the volunteers present that day (the same who took the pictures) starts on the Camino de Santiago on foot, and passing through the area on Saturday, five days later, he notices that the clothes have not been collected, they are still there.

June 16: Two policemen from Madrid come to my house to ask if we remember having seen the pilgrim. This same thing that has been asked by the police from Astorga for over a month ago when the investigation began and that is what I let them know. They tell me they have been sent from Madrid to start the investigation all over again, I do not know who told them to do so or for what purpose, but I tell them about the clothes found by volunteers and they urge me ask me to send the pictures directly to the Commissioner in Madrid that same day, 17 photos to be exact (what I thought is that they might have to start the investigation again because perhaps Astorga police had not achieved anything in six weeks, but like I said, let each draw their own conclusions).

End of June (about the festivities of San Juan) another volunteer from Madrid contacts me, we try to join forces to make a new search with volunteers in Astorga, because then there is no longer any family spokesman on location and we do not want the efforts to stop. Imagine my surprise when we alert the police station in Astorga about our intentions, we are told that we cannot do anything at this time because the police case manager is on vacation and it will have to wait (what I thought is that in a case like this, the least would be that it is someone covering that post, if only for these situations, but, once again, let each draw their own conclusions).

A couple of weeks ago in this same newspaper I see an article in which the pictures of the clothes are mentioned that I sent to the police on June 16 and that were sent to the brother of Denise on July 3 for identification. I'd swear that the emails to the United States do not take that long, but from my absolute ignorance, I daresay that this case is going slowly, slowly, very slowly. I'm not saying they are taking the wrong steps (I do not know) but they are moving very slowly, knowingly and deliberately.

The previous day or the next day, I read an interview with the Minister of Interior with the headline: "We have all the clues to solve the case of the Pilgrim" (in the print edition, the online edition is more accurate). Hopefully this is true, but if it is not, this is a terrible mistake of the minister to deliver this headline. The best quotes from the interview are as follows: "There are tracks of the missing pilgrim and we hope that some will be fruitful"; "Special units of the National Police and Guardia Civíl are working very very closely coordinated"; "There are different tracks and open lines of investigation. But we trust that any of them, and we have founded hopes, will bear fruit. "

I won't be the one to contradict the minister. There is no doubt that someone who believes that the recovery of Spain is due to Santa Teresa is a man of faith, but there are things in life for which, in addition to faith, work is necessary. I think an Interior Minister in charge and responsible for the Police and Guardia Civíl, has to do more than to be expecting a miracle of the Virgin, despite the many police medals she may have earned.

Note: I've seen some other things I cannot tell because the Police requested confidentiality, and all of those things lead me to think what I mentioned earlier.


BBM


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Thanks for all the great translation and posts ZaZara!
From the last sentence in the post,rbbm, "Note: I've seen some other things I cannot tell because the Police requested confidentiality, and all of those things lead me to think what I mentioned earlier".
What is author alluding to?
 
PARENTS OF MISSING US PILGRIM APPEAL TO RAJOY [SPANISH PM]


TheLocal.es
http://www.thelocal.es/20150810/par...elp?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

After receiving little news with regards to the search for their missing daughter, Thiem’s worried parents, Dalia and Seng, have now written personally to Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, pleading with him to give them news:

"We are writing to implore you to tell us what Spanish police think happened to our daughter when she disappeared on April 5, 2015 while walking the Camino de Santiago near Astorga. Is there any reason to hope she is alive?"

The letter, which has been published in Spanish daily El Mundo, continues:

"Denise chose to walk the Camino de Santiago believing that the Camino was safe, but her disappearance suggests otherwise. We assume the Spanish police are exemplary public servants, highly skilled professionals, and dedicated to accounting for our daughter.

"At the same time, we are weary and exhausted from the mental and emotional strain of not knowing what happened to Denise. As the father of two children, surely you can empathize with our situation."



BBM


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