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Well- keep in mind that her mother knew it was Jessica- so of course, she recognized her under all the burned skin. 98% of the body surface being declared burned- does not mean it was all first, second or third degree equally. A third degree burn in least painful but most severe- WHY? Because it is at the level of bone/ muscle affecting the nervous system. The nerves do not conduct the feeling of pain.
The question of why the soles of her feet were not burned is a good one. Perhaps she was wearing a pair of socks that were not made of flammable material OR as another surmised- maybe she was standing and bearing weight through her feet.


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cady said:
I believe that her car in good shape is parked on a pad at the side of her father's house in the google July 2014 street view. Unfortunately, google obscures lic plates so it's hard to get a good look ,but the trunk doesn't seem to be blemished. Forgot his address.Just google 1024 Carlisle rd and then head up the street to her dads house. JMO
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Thanks for the tip. If her Dad is just down the road and on the opposite side from that address, and has three crepe myrtle bushes along the road, then I found it sitting in the carport, as you described. If you magnify the rear of the car the maximum allowed by Google Maps, you can just make out a dark rectangle about where the suspect bullet holes were in the other photo. I'm now thinking it was some sort of dealership emblem, and the holes were what once held it in place, before the extreme heat caused it to expand enough to pop off (or melt off if it was plastic).

JMO

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rbarber17 said:
Thanks for the tip. If her Dad is just down the road and on the opposite side from that address, and has three crepe myrtle bushes along the road, then I found it sitting in the carport, as you described. If you magnify the rear of the car the maximum allowed by Google Maps, you can just make out a dark rectangle about where the suspect bullet holes were in the other photo. I'm now thinking it was some sort of dealership emblem, and the holes were what once held it in place, before the extreme heat caused it to expand enough to pop off (or melt off if it was plastic).

JMO

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Not really worth looking again, but her Dad's house is on the same side as her house (1024) at the end of the road. Car was on a concrete pad out in the open...not in carport. Not positive that it was even her car but in July of2014 he had taken her car from her. (His shop is on the other side of the house from the car. JMO
 
gngr~snap said:
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Here are some famous staged crime scenes. He is in here. I have other articles. You can find in a Google search as well.

http://www.crimescenestaging.com/cases.html

00:06:15>> Narrator: To find out how long florence would have laid dragovic examined slides of her brain tissue.00:06:23He focused on the neurons, a cellular communication system that controls movement, memory, and emotion.00:06:33dragovic discovered repair proteins in florence's brain that were releasedafterher head injury.00:06:42This showed that florence's brain was struggling to survive long after she hit her head and before she drowned.00:06:51>> These neurons are suffering from lack of oxygen.

http://tv.ark.com/transcript/forens...se))/5712/TRUTVP/Monday_April_12_2010/257703/

Now I can't locate the video of the episode. "Lady in the Lake"

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/16446018/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/t/lady-lake/

Long report on story.
There may be a thread here as well Mark and Florence Unger.


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Yes! Thanks for the link that's the case I remember.

I want to a thank gngr~snap for sharing her knowledge of crime prevention/investigation & piquing my interest in the subject.

My point in this post is I strongly believe the CS was staged. So what do I mean by that?

Crime scene staging is the purposeful manipulation of the physical evidence in a homicide case for the purpose of misdirecting the investigation towards self-preservation.

Questions I have for people following this thread:

1)Do you believe the first 911 house,grass call (take your pick);was in someway tied into the subsequent staging of the Herron Road CS?

2)Do you believe JC was physically harmed in the 6:30 to 7:31 time frame and transported to CS?

3)Do you believe there were multiple cell phones & that these texts,calls,pings were being manipulated to either establish alibis or to enhance the credibility of staged physical evidence at the CS?

4)Do you believe the 7:31 cell ping at Herron Road was a tactic by the perps to buy time to set into motion the ensuing staged CS inferno?

5)Do you believe that a person(s) orchestrating & staging the CS were also imbedded in the plethora of individuals involved in the recovery of JC and collecting evidence at the CS?

This is only for discussion and these opinions are mine and I welcome criticism or different theories.
:discuss:
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MizStery said:


Yes! Thanks for the link that's the case I remember.

I want to a thank gngr~snap for sharing her knowledge of crime prevention/investigation & piquing my interest in the subject.

My point in this post is I strongly believe the CS was staged. So what do I mean by that?

Crime scene staging is the purposeful manipulation of the physical evidence in a homicide case for the purpose of misdirecting the investigation towards self-preservation.

Questions I have for people following this thread:

1)Do you believe the first 911 house,grass call (take your pick);was in someway tied into the subsequent staging of the Herron Road CS?

2)Do you believe JC was physically harmed in the 6:30 to 7:31 time frame and transported to CS?

3)Do you believe there were multiple cell phones & that these texts,calls,pings were being manipulated to either establish alibis or to enhance the credibility of staged physical evidence at the CS?

4)Do you believe the 7:31 cell ping at Herron Road was a tactic by the perps to buy time to set into motion the ensuing staged CS inferno?

5)Do you believe that a person(s) orchestrating & staging the CS were also imbedded in the plethora of individuals involved in the recovery of JC and collecting evidence at the CS?

This is only for discussion and these opinions are mine and I welcome criticism or different theories.
:discuss:
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I gotta think a bit before I respond!
I have found lots of facts from research. This book researched 115 staged scenes...
Several pages are available to read but 5.2 RED FLAGS was really really interesting.

https://books.google.com/books?id=I...rguson's 2014 studied 115 known staged&f=true

And these as well...
http://www.crimescenestaging.com/facts.html

http://www.practicalhomicide.com/articles/staging.htm

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My answers are in [ ]

[MizStery;12059867]

Yes! Thanks for the link that's the case I remember.

I want to a thank gngr~snap for sharing her knowledge of crime prevention/investigation & piquing my interest in the subject.

My point in this post is I strongly believe the CS was staged. So what do I mean by that?

Crime scene staging is the purposeful manipulation of the physical evidence in a homicide case for the purpose of misdirecting the investigation towards self-preservation.

Questions I have for people following this thread:

1)Do you believe the first 911 house,grass call (take your pick);was in someway tied into the subsequent staging of the Herron Road CS?
[I think the 1st fire was actually scene where JC was assaulted and burned. I think she was carried to the Herron Rd location. That is when/where the staging took place]

2)Do you believe JC was physically harmed in the 6:30 to 7:31 time frame and transported to CS?
[Yes]

3)Do you believe there were multiple cell phones & that these texts,calls,pings were being manipulated to either establish alibis or to enhance the credibility of staged physical evidence at the CS?
[100% I believe the cell phone was used to make it look like JC was "just fine" and concious (until 7:13) IMO the cell phone not ending up burned too is mire proof of staging to make it look like a struggle occured there and so that it would be easier to retrieve the evidence of her cell phone being in use after the REAL ALTERCATION
I'm not sure exactly how they KNOW JC was @ the scene @ 7:31pm. I think the autopsy answers that.]

4)Do you believe the 7:31 cell ping at Herron Road was a tactic by the perps to buy time to set into motion the ensuing staged CS inferno?
[I think the car was placed there @ 7:31 with Jessica still inside of it. IMO the accomplices set up some kind of delayed incendiary device to take the eyes of the investigators off of Carlisle Rd.]

5)Do you believe that a person(s) orchestrating & staging the CS were also imbedded in the plethora of individuals involved in the recovery of JC and collecting evidence at the CS?
[Yes. IMO VERBAL staging was in full force upon outside agencies arrival @ the scene. IMO the tow truck driver and some first responders are covering for the real killer and accomplice. The scene was treated as an "accident" Until EMS or Life Flight informed them that the statements given weren't believable due to Jessica's condition. * walking-talking etc.]

This is only for discussion and these opinions are mine and I welcome criticism or different theories.
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I will also add that the names given, "ick" did this to me and she was last seen with Roscoe, Wright, etc were all made up and passed along to purposefully redirect the focus away from who the most logical suspect/s was/were and still is/are.
MOO

The items found upon inspecting her car gave authorities "new" clues as to who the actual suspects and accomplices are. *see link below*
Since there are no witnesses, everyone who was @ the scene and gave inconsistent statements are accomplices and should be criminally prosecuted as such.

It's possible Darby trusted these individuals and isn't involved in the cover up.
I also believe that many people who were spreading misinformation and were unaware of the truth behind what happened to JC. They unknowingly were recruited to participate in the counterintelligence campaign by the people responsible for Jessica's death and subsequent staged scene.
All MOO.
"Sheriff Darby said the Mississippi Bureau of Investigation and the sheriff's department spent the day combing over what was left of Chambers' car and they have come up with new leads."
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/27578245/family-friends-seek-justice-for-jessica

MizStery said:


Yes! Thanks for the link that's the case I remember.

I want to a thank gngr~snap for sharing her knowledge of crime prevention/investigation & piquing my interest in the subject.

My point in this post is I strongly believe the CS was staged. So what do I mean by that?

Crime scene staging is the purposeful manipulation of the physical evidence in a homicide case for the purpose of misdirecting the investigation towards self-preservation.

Questions I have for people following this thread:

1)Do you believe the first 911 house,grass call (take your pick);was in someway tied into the subsequent staging of the Herron Road CS?

2)Do you believe JC was physically harmed in the 6:30 to 7:31 time frame and transported to CS?

3)Do you believe there were multiple cell phones & that these texts,calls,pings were being manipulated to either establish alibis or to enhance the credibility of staged physical evidence at the CS?

4)Do you believe the 7:31 cell ping at Herron Road was a tactic by the perps to buy time to set into motion the ensuing staged CS inferno?

5)Do you believe that a person(s) orchestrating & staging the CS were also imbedded in the plethora of individuals involved in the recovery of JC and collecting evidence at the CS?

This is only for discussion and these opinions are mine and I welcome criticism or different theories.
:discuss:
:cow:
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Page 88

https://books.google.com/books?id=I...&q=verbal staged crime friends family&f=false
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When I first heard about the house fire I thought that it was connected to this crime.

I think something happened to JC at that house fire and she was badly burned there. People that was with her, threw her in her car and drove her to the crime scene.

I think the car was set on fire only to hide the fact that she had been burned somewhere else . They wanted it to appear as if she sustained her injuries from the car fire.

IMO
 
cady said:
Not really worth looking again, but her Dad's house is on the same side as her house (1024) at the end of the road. Car was on a concrete pad out in the open...not in carport. Not positive that it was even her car but in July of2014 he had taken her car from her. (His shop is on the other side of the house from the car. JMO
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OK, cady, I think I have the right one now, on a pad in front of a double chain link gate to the backyard. Same conclusion though, small shiney square in area of suspected bullet holes -- another red herring.
 
suspicious1 said:
When I first heard about the house fire I thought that it was connected to this crime.

I think something happened to JC at that house fire and she was badly burned there. People that was with her, threw her in her car and drove her to the crime scene.

I think the car was set on fire only to hide the fact that she had been burned somewhere else . They wanted it to appear as if she sustained her injuries from the car fire.

IMO
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I agree there was a connection, suspicious1, but my theory is that the earlier grass fire (according to the DA) on Carlyle, Jessica's neighborhood, served two purposes:

(1) It was a vivid warning to Jessica, that she had better comply with the demands of the person who started it, or worse things could happen -- like setting a house on fire in the middle of the night.
(2) It served as a diversion for Courtland VFD first responders, sending them away from the CS on Herron, and delaying their response, even if only for a few minutes.

I recall some CVFD response statistics I found on the Internet several months ago (I believe they were for 2004, not sure). It was very unusual for there to be two fire alarms the same day in such a small area. Two fires and a murder the same evening really seem like a statistical anomaly.

JMO
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My answers on line under question....
Questions I have for people following this thread:

1)Do you believe the first 911 house,grass call (take your pick);was in someway tied into the subseqseuent staging of the Herron Road CS?
YES

2)Do you believe JC was physically harmed in the 6:30 to 7:31 time frame and transported to CS?
YES but either way is possible and I toy with although my gut says yes most definitely

3)Do you believe there were multiple cell phones & that these texts,calls,pings were being manipulated to either establish alibis or to enhance the credibility of staged physical evidence at the CS?
NO

4)Do you believe the 7:31 cell ping at Herron Road was a tactic by the perps to buy time to set into motion the ensuing staged CS inferno?
NO

5)Do you believe that a person(s) orchestrating & staging the CS were also imbedded in the plethora of individuals involved in the recovery of JC and collecting evidence at the CS?
VERY POSSIBLE, MY THOUGHTS SWAY ON THIS TOO

This is only for discussion and these opinions are mine and I welcome criticism or different theories. [/FONT]
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roadrunnermt said:
My answers on line under question....
Questions I have for people following this thread:

1)Do you believe the first 911 house,grass call (take your pick);was in someway tied into the subseqseuent staging of the Herron Road CS?
YES

2)Do you believe JC was physically harmed in the 6:30 to 7:31 time frame and transported to CS?
YES but either way is possible and I toy with although my gut says yes most definitely

3)Do you believe there were multiple cell phones & that these texts,calls,pings were being manipulated to either establish alibis or to enhance the credibility of staged physical evidence at the CS?
NO

4)Do you believe the 7:31 cell ping at Herron Road was a tactic by the perps to buy time to set into motion the ensuing staged CS inferno?
NO

5)Do you believe that a person(s) orchestrating & staging the CS were also imbedded in the plethora of individuals involved in the recovery of JC and collecting evidence at the CS?
VERY POSSIBLE, MY THOUGHTS SWAY ON THIS TOO

This is only for discussion and these opinions are mine and I welcome criticism or different theories. [/FONT]
:discuss:
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(1) No, I can't buy into "...the subsequent staging of the Herron Road CS..." theory
(2) No
(3) No
(4) No
(5) No
(6) RH -- Oops, sorry. You didn't ask that one...

JMR (just my responses)
 
gngr~snap said:
My answers are in [ ]

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3)Do you believe there were multiple cell phones & that these texts,calls,pings were being manipulated to either establish alibis or to enhance the credibility of staged physical evidence at the CS?
[100% I believe the cell phone was used to make it look like JC was "just fine" and concious (until 7:13) IMO the cell phone not ending up burned too is mire proof of staging to make it look like a struggle occured there and so that it would be easier to retrieve the evidence of her cell phone being in use after the REAL ALTERCATION
I'm not sure exactly how they KNOW JC was @ the scene @ 7:31pm. I think the autopsy answers that.]

w_w#v=onepage&q=verbal%20staged%20crime%20friends%20family&f=false
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4)Do you believe the 7::31 cell ping at Herron Road was a tactic by the perps to buy time to set into motion the ensuing staged CS inferno?

I am going to explain how that answer is covered by gngr ~snaps in her answer to #3.(highlighted in orange)Her answer goes to my question #4.

OK,another way I could have asked #4 would have been,"was the 7:31 ping to establish the whereabouts i.e. create opportunity at Herron Road for the struggle and the staged inferno." The perps wanted it to appear the onset began at 7:31 on Herron. Can you imagine the perps dismay when Champion says I know all about Herron Road it was staged. (I am putting words in the DA's mouth)

Champion has told us 'over and over and over' what matters and what he needs to prosecute occured between 6:30 until 7:30 THAT IS WHEN the altercation with Jessica began. Champion needs to know from the onset exactly those involved (the location of initial struggle-plain and simple). And it's sure not HerronRoad.

My Opinion/theory only. I am only attempting to interprete what Champion is telegraphing us.

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Intelligence Specialist Speaks on JC Case
Therese Apel, The Clarion-Ledger
4:40 p.m. CDT April 13, 2015
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...alks-jessica-chambers-case-emotions/25734909/
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As federal cases tend to do, the deeper the investigation gets, the less information has seeped through to the public.

This has been a long arduous one for authorities, as around 70 federal, state, and local investigators have worked to find Chambers' killer since the incident. But as federal cases tend to do, the deeper the investigation gets, the less information has seeped through to the public.

Paul Rowlett, an intelligence specialist from the U.S. Attorney's office in Oxford, spoke to the Batesville Rotary Club on Tuesday, and John and Rupert Howell, publishers of The Panolian, penned an article about his remarks to the group.

In the Panolian article, Rowlett described the case as "the hardest case that any of us ever worked."
"I have participated in two wars, three or four military operations and a lot of cases," The Panolian quoted Rowlett as saying. "But I will tell you that I have never worked so hard or been so emotional about a case as this one."
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gngr~snap said:
Federal Marshals only get involved
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Someone thought she was snitching and silenced her. Why were the Federal Marshals already in the area?

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How about enforcement of the Adam Walsh Act tracking and supporting sex offenders,child *advertiser censored* etc
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As gngr~snap points out in the above quote:Federal Marshals only get involved in specific crimes i.e drug problems etc.But,I can't help but wonder if the Feds were there also investigating a pedophile ring. (speculation by myself only)We know that organized criminals deal in a multitude of arenas.

For a war vet and a veteran investigator to say Jessica's crime is the hardest he has ever worked (his words) boggle my imagination. What was done to Jessica was pure evil. It is past time to arrest the monsters.
My opinion only.:cow:
 
Just doing a daily check-in. Thanks to all hard core sleuths staying on this! Does anyone think that a Grand Jury is seated to hear evidence in this case yet? I sure hope so. I personally think that this closed culture protects their own.....and that includes friends, relatives, in-laws, aunts uncles, suppliers, former in-laws cousins etc. No matter what their position is in the community. I think that lots of people know or suspect, but to rat out a perp is to is to put one in great danger. There are people who Jessica had acquaintance with at Leah's and at Goody's who may be outsiders to her circle, and who we have not heard from. Hopefully, a Grand Jury will hear from them. JMO
 
MizStery said:
Intelligence Specialist Speaks on JC Case
Therese Apel, The Clarion-Ledger
4:40 p.m. CDT April 13, 2015
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...alks-jessica-chambers-case-emotions/25734909/

As federal cases tend to do, the deeper the investigation gets, the less information has seeped through to the public.

This has been a long arduous one for authorities, as around 70 federal, state, and local investigators have worked to find Chambers' killer since the incident. But as federal cases tend to do, the deeper the investigation gets, the less information has seeped through to the public.

Paul Rowlett, an intelligence specialist from the U.S. Attorney's office in Oxford, spoke to the Batesville Rotary Club on Tuesday, and John and Rupert Howell, publishers of The Panolian, penned an article about his remarks to the group.

In the Panolian article, Rowlett described the case as "the hardest case that any of us ever worked."
"I have participated in two wars, three or four military operations and a lot of cases," The Panolian quoted Rowlett as saying. "But I will tell you that I have never worked so hard or been so emotional about a case as this one."
​



As gngr~snap points out in the above quote:Federal Marshals only get involved in specific crimes i.e drug problems etc.But,I can't help but wonder if the Feds were there also investigating a pedophile ring. (speculation by myself only)We know that organized criminals deal in a multitude of arenas.

For a war vet and a veteran investigator to say Jessica's crime is the hardest he has ever worked (his words) boggle my imagination. What was done to Jessica was pure evil. It is past time to arrest the monsters.
My opinion only.:cow:
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One word.
EMOTIONAL

Eric Greggs:
He said a church member called last Sunday, the day Chambers' body was found, to tell him about her death. "
I was struck with a heavy heart," he said. "I got off the phone and told my wife, 'I don't even feel like preaching anymore.'"

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=32743326
DA John Champion:
We're not releasing what she said, but we're acting on it," he said.

Tom Dees reaction:
Physically ill-
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266728

"Seasoned investigators called Jessica's murder"the most brutal crime they've ever seen."

http://wreg.com/2014/12/09/investigators-no-one-is-in-custody-for-death-of-jessica-chambers/

If she said a name, wouldn't it make sense that she knew she was gonna die and asked for her preacher????

If they are acting on what she said, it sure sounds like more than a first name only.

FBI "emotional"
Preacher "don't wanna preach"
Tom Dees "physically ill"
Seasoned Investigators "worst they've seen"

JMO
It's bad. Jessica's life was a living hell. I've never seen grown men comment like this on a case.
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wfgodot said:
The less convoluted, the more likely.
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Definitely not the "Occum's Razor on a budget" principle at work here, wfgodot. Not with a cast of thousands working the case, as seen in the quotes posted by MizStery above: "This has been a long arduous one for authorities, as around 70 federal, state, and local investigators have worked to find Chambers' killer since the incident." It would seem they have spared no expense on this case. Not sure why.

If every one of those investigators had 7 theories, that would be the reverse of the admonition in Matthew 18:22, as they would be making 7x70 accusations, instead of that many forgivenesses...
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